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  1. I do not know the answer to that question, but it seems to have been just on that occasion when Jesus was physically with them that such happened. Not sure what to make of it. In the same chapter before Jesus returned to them they were praying to God the Father in the name of Jesus and then in Chapter 27 he admonished the people to pray to God the Father in His name. (28 And now I ago unto the Father. And verily I say unto you, whatsoever things ye shall ask the Father in my name shall be given unto you.) Glenn
  2. Thanks for the heads up. But I did have a plausible explanation until you blew the whole thing out of water with a factual analysis. Sometimes I need to be more diligent. Glenn
  3. A downward trend in marriages seems to have began in the sixties and continues into our present circumstances. I can do a CFR if asked, but the information is readily available. The lower millennial divorce rate may be because fewer people are getting married today and those who are getting married do so because they have very strong feelings about the value of marriage and families. I do not have any data to back that last part up, just throwing it out as an opinion that I see as plausible. Glenn
  4. I disagree, partially, with that assessment. A good education can still enable a single earner family to do well. That education does not have to be college level. There are a lot of skilled trades jobs that can be obtained with training obtained through military service, trade schools, and community colleges. Training also has to be in areas where there is a job market. Families where neither partner has education or other training in fields with where workers are needed face the obstacles that you are talking about, as well as families that live in areas with a high cost of living. A lot depends also depends upon where a person chooses to live or has the ability to choose to live. In places like California even a high paying job is often not enough because of the high cost of housing. A lot of people there and in other areas of the country, especially the elderly living on fixed incomes, where the cost of living is exceptionally high have been priced out of the housing market and either wind up homeless or having to move to other less costly areas. I do not know if the genesis of this trend towards two earner families stemmed from a desire to obtain and maintain a desired lifestyle or whether it was because inflation pushed the cost of living in some areas made it necessary for both partners to work. It is a variation on the chicken and egg situation. I personally know a lot of people where a limited education necessitated that situation, and I know a lot of people where it was a lifestyle choice. And, to get back onto the focus of the thread, doing everything we can to encourage and strengthen the family unit and to provide educational opportunities for people lacking job skills etc. would go a long way in helping families rise out of and stay out of poverty. Strong families are still the most important unit in the world. Glenn
  5. Not to be argumentive, but that is what the guy in the video said, i.e. that the party travelled along their route until they came to Nahom. It is only a minor quibble. I guess that I am a major minor quibbler and I don't know if that quibble has any real significance. It just makes the actual location the party sojourned a bit more fuzzy. As to the "space of a time" thing, I am not hanging my hat on it being a full year. I am basing my opinion, as I noted to JAHS, that it is based upon a passage in Daniel chapter four where Daniel is prophesying to King Nebuchadnezzar that he would go crazy and eat grass for a period of "seven times" which most scholars seem to interpret as seven years or seasons. But Nephi could just as well have been talking about a period of several months. He notes that the Lehi party did this twice while on the trek after they left the place called Shazer. Nephi 16: "17 And after we had traveled for the space of many days, we did pitch our tents for the space of a time, that we might again rest ourselves and obtain food for our families." "33 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey, traveling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after we had traveled for the space of many days we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time." "34 And it came to pass that Ishmael died, and was buried in the place which was called Nahom." It would seem to me that in each case Nephi is at least pointing to an extended period of time. Glenn
  6. You could be correct that it was an unspecified period of time, but it would seem to differentiate between the "space of many days" pointing to a period that would last maybe several months. That seems to be the intent of the passage that you are referencing. It would seem to be covering the whole time period of conception and pregnancy. "19 And it came to pass that I beheld that she was carried away in the Spirit; and after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time the angel spake unto me, saying: Look! 20 And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms." I am basing my opinion on the Biblical idea of a time being one year, as noted in Daniel 4:32 where Daniel was interpreting a dream of King Nebuchadnezzar. Glenn
  7. I believe that there is way too much that we do not understand by phrases such as "more intelligent than them all." For instance in D&C 19:18 Jesus the Christ, the Great Jehovah, declared himself to be "the greatest of all," yet He has always bowed to the will of His Father. I do not worry too much about any of this. I cannot comprehend eternity nor infinity. Trying to figure out a "first cause" or whatever and how such a concept fits into eternity makes my head ache, because they seem incompatible. I.E. what was there before a First Cause? If time started with a first cause, then there is no eternity. Those are shelf items for me. I put them on a shelf of questions that will be answered at a later date but are not essential for me to know to get to the next level. Glenn
  8. I do have a quibble, maybe minor with the assertion that the Lehi party stopped at Nahom. The text says that Ishmael died and was buried in the place which was called Nahom. This death happened during a period when the party was encamped "for the space of a time" (1 Nehi 16:33) Nephi may have been giving an indefinite time interval there, but there is a Biblical period called a time which has the duration of a year and that, in my opinion, was what Nephi was telling us, i.e. that the party was encamped at some point along the trail for a year, but not necessarily at Nahom. It was during this period of time that Ishmael died and was buried somewhere in the Nahom region. Glenn
  9. This problem is more prevalent than maybe most of us realize. Some people go through life experiences that traumatize them and scar them for mortal life. I know at least one such person. She suffered from abuse at home which she cannot come to terms with and some pretty horrific abuse in a couple of marriages. She does not blame the church for it, although some people in the church were part of the abuse. She has been through extensive therapy, but there are some things she just cannot deal with, does not know how to deal with, just does not understand. Her faith is the only thing that has kept her alive. But her scars run deep and probably will not be healed in this life time. This could be the case for the lady you met also. I do not know. Loving kindness, time, and prayers, in my opinion, are the best hopes for helping her to heal or to help bring her to a point where she will be able to seek healing through Christ. Glenn
  10. (With a nod to the Nehor) Because we are glad that it is them and not us. Glenn
  11. Papa Bill, I really do not have much advice I can give you on this subject. Your problem is something I am also afflicted with and I have a similar reaction in that I avoid verbal interaction as much as possible. For me, in a way, that is sort of a positive because I am not that outgoing socially in any event. It is distressing to go to church and only be able to a few words here and there in the talks and lessons. Hearing aids would pretty much completely eliminate that problem for me, but I cannot afford a good set tuned to my hearing loss curves. I developed a thick skin long ago due to my last name (Thigpen) and variations others have given it over the years. And I guess that would be the only advice I could give you and those who love you is to develop a thick skin and maybe a bit of sympathy for people that may not be as far along the empathy path as you. Often life reminds me of Christ's words when in torment and agony on the cross, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." I really think that a lot of people do not "know what they do" when it comes to interacting with others who have handicaps that they do not really know how to respond to. Anyway, my advice is totally free, but no matter whether you choose to take it or reject it, you can't get you money back. 😎 Glenn
  12. I think that is the crux of the question or idea about asking questions. Our classes are primarily to sort of be a guiding light to our own personal studies. There is just a limited amount of time to get a few points across in any one lesson. There are places and forums for the questions of the sort that Metis_LDS has presented where they can be hashed out to everyone's discontent. Glenn
  13. Since our mortal bodies are made up of elements of this universe, I would expect that our immortal bodies would come from the same sphere, but from elements will be given their own celestial treatment. But that is sheer speculation. Truly God is not a magician, and I have no idea how the process will work, but "That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham," (Luke 3:8) I am sure knows how to produce a perfected body and will do it. Glenn
  14. As far as I know, a sexual sin long ago would not be a bar to becoming a bishop unless it was something that was egregious and public. Even though a person can be completely forgiven for such, the Church is sensitive to how something of the sort would play out publicly. A person that commits a sexual sin against a child will have his or her records annotated and would most probably never even be considered for such a calling. Glenn
  15. Actually, based upon scripture, it is not logically inconsistent. Think about it. Think about the baby conceived by David a Bath-Sheba while Uriah was still alive. The Lord did not allow that child to live, for His own reasons, but the child itself was innocent of wrong doing. Of course there also is the case where God ordered the Israelites to kill even children in Deuteronomy 20:16-18. They were to save alive "nothing that breathed." I am not putting myself in the place of God here, or questioning the veracity of those scriptures. This sounds sort of cold blooded, but when God makes decisions, the innocence of a person may not be the determining factor as to life or death. The Mosaic law did not require death for a person that caused a miscarriage as in Exodus 21:22-25. There are some who have argued that the verse 22 is actually is talking about a woman that delivers a child prematurely but lives rather than a miscarriage where the child dies. However, the Revised Standard Edition, catholic Version uses the word miscarriage, so I think that maybe Catholics would be pretty much bound by that interpretation. Please correct me if I am wrong. I do not want to be seen as telling a Catholic what he or she believes or is bound by. I am just trying to look at the situation logically. Now, finally, let's look at the case of a woman whose life may be put in danger by even trying to carry a child through to term, much less the actual delivery. A woman in such a situation is still faced with the same moral dilemma, i.e. of ending the life of an innocent and helpless child to save her own. It is unholy hell for a woman who holds life dear to be placed in such a situation. Then when it comes to the case of children conceived due to rape or incest, another moral dilemma is before us. Especially when the victim is young and innocent. I just do not think it is logically or morally inconsistent for an abortion to be allowed, for God to allow it, during those circumstances and others after a lot of fasting and prayer. Glenn
  16. And that is something that the church has not issued an opinion or revelation on the subject. I have had the same thoughts as you on that subject. What will happen to women who do experience spontaneous abortions in states that have passed such restrictive abortion laws? Could they be held liable for not being careful enough, not eating the right foods, maybe for smoking, or doing something of the like that would harm a fetus? My first wife and I were faced with a heart wrenching decision years ago which I have detailed here on this forum. We both believed that life is sacred but we did not know when life actually begins and we just could not come to a decision. I either cowardly or maybe correctly decided that it was really my wife's decision in that case and my duty was to support her whatever her decision. We were spared that decision by what I believe was a miracle, but even today I just do not know what to say, except that the words of the prophets over the ages to fast and pray are really the actual thing we should do. Glenn
  17. I would not put those illegal acts in the same category as that of abortions for convenience. I can remember reasons from my history books for people coming to America in the early days. There were adventurers and profiteers seeking quick riches. Then there were a lot seeking opportunities that were not available to them in their home countries. There also were a lot of people seeking freedom to practice their religion as they saw fit. And people who had lost all hope and were finally given a glimmer of hope that they could make a good life for themselves. They all came to this land and pretty much shoved the indigenous people away. Did not even ask their opinions. Of course things were different then. And I do not believe the church is giving a wink and a nod to the thieves violation of moral and ethical structures. What I believe is the church is looking at the issue of millions of illegal immigrants here from a bit higher perch. After all, the whole land belongs to God and we all are His children. But I digress. What was the subject again??? Glenn
  18. Okay, I am not a sister, but it has always baffled me why anyone on the right side of rationality would voluntarily jump out of a perfectly good airplane. 🙄😊 However, considering the slight possibility of something going a bit wrong I think I would tell my wife were I to envision doing something of the sort. (And a Happy Birthday also. You seem to have had a very full life. Congratulations on that and thanks for the many different professions of service in which you have engaged.) Glenn
  19. It would not be an infinite atonement in that case. It is a concept I have a difficult time with, but in the dim recesses of my spirit there is a glimmer of something that says an infinite atonement was necessary, even if there be people that do not take advantage of it. Just like the work for the dead. It must be accomplished for all who missed their chance during mortality even though some will not take advantage of it. Glenn
  20. If Paul was referring to an ordinance instituted by Christ during the forty days with the church after his resurrection, those problems are moot. As you said, we do not have much historic evidence for it, but Peter's mention of preaching the gospel to the dead would seem to have some bearing on the subject, i.e. that Paul's reference was to an ordinance being practised by the the church. Paul's statement came at the end of a rebuttal against some unnamed people that were disputing the doctrine of the resurrection. This could have been introduced by Jewish converts that had been followers of the Sadducees, Glenn
  21. I believe you are correct in your analysis. It is those labels again. Seems like people are trying to stuff others in a box that just may not exist, a category that may exist only in the mind of the beholder/stuffer. The Book of Mormon narrative seems to suggest that we need to use all of the spiritual tools we have available to stay on the strait and narrow path (not paths) and to make decisions and plans on a daily base. Glenn
  22. Is it not possible to be both? Glenn
  23. I do not know exactly what you mean by if "you knew what you know today." I cannot really answer the question fairly because I am so heavily invested in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints that I just do not think I can get past my biases and look at the idea objectively. Right now I consider the church as the most logical of all of the Christian Churches, the Jewish faith, or the Muslim faith using only the Bible and what history I know as the basis for my extrapolations. Beyond that is is impossible for me to do more than guess about what I would do or how I would think. Glenn
  24. I think that maybe you are looking past the actual point of the analogy and possibly entertaining unrealistic expectations/understanding of the problems that civil engineers have in designing train tracks. More often than not, areas are developed around existing tracks and intersections are created where none existed when the tracks were laid. Cost considerations often have been a major consideration is deciding whether to overpass a set of tracks at intersections rather than using warning signals and some times gate arms to deter traffic. Speeds are reduced in areas where a lot of intersections are present. It is recognized by most people that a train cannot stop on a dime and cannot swerve to avoid obstacles in its path. They have a set path they must follow or a catastrophic derailment will take place. Every effort is made to warn people ahead of the train by warning lights and the train whistle to clear the tracks. Now, while the analogy is not a perfect one, the actual point is that the path to exaltation is a set path. There is only one. There will be obstacles in our path which we must overcome if we are to make it. So maybe we can take you advice there, and the advice of Sister Craven, to slow the train down and watch for obstacles, to make sure that we can see the tracks are clear and have enough time to stop before a crash. After all, on this train the schedule for the destination is not known. Getting to that destination safely is the ultimate goal. As Christ tole His apostles in Matthew 10:22 " And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." By doing so carefully we will be able to avoid the snares and pitfalls that attend those who do so casually. That is the idea I gained from the talk, anyway. Glenn
  25. One of the most inspiring and revelatory talks that I have ever heard concerning sheep and shepherding was in a conference talk in April of 1988 by Elder John R. Lasater of the Seventy. I have heard a lot of talks in my time and have learned a lot and have been inspired greatly by them, but this is the one that has stayed with me for all these many years. It basically lets us know that we all all are supposed to be shepherds under the one master Shepherd. The story of how sheep are still tended in lands like Morocco was especially enlightening. And I was wondering about sheep. Are they the dumb, follow the crowd creatures that are the stuff of legend and jokes. A quick Google search (what else) helped to allay that stereotype. Basically, what I take away from all of this is that I need to keep asking myself am I doing all I can as one of Christ's shepherds and is there anything I can do better to help some of the sheep that are reticent but not really opposed to contact? The idea of writing letters that one poster suggested is one possibility I think I need to pray about. Glenn
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