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  1. I am so interest to hear what members of the Church think of your post. I appreciate Papa Lee's post, and wholeheartedly endorse and support just about all of it. I believe any healthy marriage should contain "deal breakers", the common ones being abuse, adultery, and addiction. A marriage can survive maybe a single slip up in one of these. Forgiveness absolutely has a part. But victims of serial abuse need to ask themselves why God would want them to remain married. Spouses of serial unfaithful need to think about protecting themselves from STDs and legal ramifications. Spouses of those lost in unrepentant addictions need to ask themselves if their spouses are actually capable of being married in God's eyes. I'm doubting that Papa Lee has any of these problems with his wife (or she with him), and I am guessing if he was, he'd probably be saying the same thing except for maybe a qualification or two.
  2. Elizabeth is a bit of a hero. Someone who endured what she did, not only healed, but then sought to publicly help people by putting herself in the spotlight, starting and running a foundation in her name, going on speaking tours, etc. Not everyone who has been sexually assaulted does that. Correction - almost nobody who has endured such a trauma seeks and invites the spotlight. I'm a fan.
  3. Few people know this historical fact, but there was a type of "moving daguerreotype" technology briefly in the 1850's. We've recently discovered one made in Utah, of Governor Brigham Young addressing the saints. Entitled "A Preachment on John Barleycorn, nicotene, and the temptations of Eve" (Colorized)
  4. This thread needs more My Little Pony. Let's spice it up with a treatise on repentance and redemption, heavy on the transformative power of the atonement of Christ. And how the need to endure to the end stays a thing even after being born again and washed clean in the blood: The song is about self-absorbed and stuck up character who keeps trying to attain recognition by one-upping her enemy, and keeps losing. Her enemy keeps offering a hand of friendship, which she finally accepts. And although she managed a certain redemption in this life, she still struggles with a lifetime of bad habits, some undesirable personality traits, and the after-effect that being a jerk for most of her life has left on everyone who knows her. (posting for a friend)
  5. Shocked someone hasn't mentioned Firefly yet.
  6. This has been an interesting half hour. I never knew this stuff. Reading the article, then browsing through Wikipedia, then going to their website. I discovered new heights of irony in the Christianscience.com Careers section: I suppose if I'm ever browsing through churchofjesuschrist.org, and down at the bottom of the Proclomation to the World page, I see a link to the same-sex sealings faq, I'll know what it's like to be an oldschool Christian Scientist in 2019.
  7. I learned this in primary in SLC in the 1970's.
  8. When my first baby was blessed, we went to my wife's brother (in the midst of his latest drug addiction, having just impregnated his girlfriend, having moved from inactivity to open rebellious apostasy), and invited him to hold the microphone. He accepted, and held the microphone. It was a good opportunity to not exclude him from a very meaningful ordinance.
  9. Current modern convention: If you know who someone is, sometimes it's not kosher to post the info publicly. Somewhere between not-polite, and evil doxxing. (Funny part is, even if the information is already publicly accessible for anyone who looks, you can still end up judged by the jury of your anonymous internet peers as a bad guy for sharing it.) I guess I can sort of understand that. I mean, a dedicated searcher could take my username, do some searching on various websites and forums, and end up with my facebook profile, name, ward, perhaps even my address. I wouldn't like that posted here. Even though it's publicly accessible.
  10. Ok, spent a little time reviewing a few hundred of his posts from years in the past, and now remember more clearly what I liked about the guy. I decided early in life to align myself with truth, and I've always been a fan of factually relevant witty zingers, no matter what the agenda is of the person making them. Starting in the late '90's, I spent over a decade seeking out criticisms of my faith. Watched the apologetic battle happen, eventually participated in it. I figured the truth would prevail. You take a criticism, slice off all the emotion/sensationalism/rhetorical finesse, and make it as strong/relevant/powerful/concise as possible. Then you see if it's answerable (again, with an answer bereft of emotion/etc, containing only blunt relevance). Truth prevails when you have a clear winner between pure criticism and pure answer. After 20+ years of doing that, my testimony of the reality and divinity of Christ, and the BoM and restored church being what they claim to be, are as powerful as the day I first gained it. I've also come to understand most criticism and much apologetic answers to have a crapton of human weakness, ignorance, and fallibility crowbarred into it. Anyway, consig was always great at reducing something down to strong/relevant/concise. Liked it.
  11. Here you go. Scientific knowledge. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/caffeine/art-20045678 https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/caffeine-and-alcohol.htm https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-979/caffeine
  12. Wait - Consiglieri was a critic? It's been waaaay long, but I remember he was one of my favorite posters.
  13. I believe you're correct. I've seen half a dozen or so people just have a positive paradigm shift in their lives when they considered things in the light of "yes, my life sucks right now, but it doesn't have to keep sucking". Truth is important, and if a statement like "oh, things aren't that bad" is an obvious baldface lie, well, nobody is doing anyone any favors by lying.
  14. You would do well to study more history. Much of the legislation against polygamy happened in response to the Saints practice. It didn't exist before. You can only say the saints thumbed their noses at certain legislation that was specifically passed against them, not that they thumbed their noses at established law.] In fact, one could make a half-decent case that the reason women have the right to vote, is because the Utah saints practice of polygamy. There were suffragist movements sprinkled around the nation at the time, but the first states to make it legal for women to vote were Utah and Wyoming. And in Utah, the debate centered around a balanced mormon/nonmormon government, with women being the swing vote. "If only mormon women could vote, they would surely vote [for/against] polygamy!" said both sides. [The LDS women voted for polygamy, btw.]
  15. He argued with 2 levels of bureaucrats who had a form with a blank line on it, when it needed a number on it. Not sure if they were funeral home, cemetery, or military, such folks exist everywhere. Their daily grind for years consisted of getting handed a piece of paper with a line with a number on it, and they'd go write the number somewhere else or type it into a computer somewhere. No number meant they couldn't do their job, which meant something was wrong. I'm sure you know the type, especially having been in the military, yes?
  16. As evidence of my earlier claim, let me translate into what certain folks will hear: 1066 to present: white guys 927 - 1066: white guys 827 - 927: white guys 477 - 827: white guys 410 - 477: white guys 43 - 410: white guys 75 BC - 43 AD: white guys Before 75 BC: peaceful pagan white guys who just wanted to sit in meadows and dance and have blissful pagan sex under the harvest moon
  17. Folks looking for similarities between Mormon pioneers and today's illegal immigrants, are either history nerds or liberals looking for more votes for their side. The first type is intellectually honest, won't find much, and is basically useless. The second type doesn't give a wet slap about reality, will claim to have found endless parallels, and is also basically useless.
  18. My father was a WWII vet. When he was setting his affairs in order around 2004-ish, he arranged for his own funeral at the veterans cemetery in Santa Fe NM. He tells me they hauled out a big book of all the different religious iconography he could pick for his headstone, and he had to argue for a full 45 minutes with three different people to select none of them. Next time you go to a vets cemetery, check out how many of them have no faith indication. You won't see many. Grandpa LM, however, won the fight that day.
  19. There's an older guy in my ward who has quite a bit of experience on various redrawing efforts. And I've been close to 3-4 different bishoprics and stake leaders as it's happened, and listened to them talk. From what I can gather, quite a bit goes into it. Bottoms up: Once you get regularly above or below a certain number of active attendees, you start betting with each other on when the next ward realignment will happen. If people start going inactive because they've got a dozen children and no active youth programs in the ward, then odds are on something happening sooner rather than later. If your bishop moves, that's another indication something might happen sooner. To the lay-observer, the realignment makes about 75% sense, and 25% "what on earth were they thinking". But suddenly all the auxiliaries are active again. The other ward always sucks at something. Their librarians lose projectors and break the printer. Their young women leave lipstick on the walls. Always something. Tops down: Long range planning based on population/demographic shift estimates feed into land purchases by the church. Purchased land, plus those estimates becoming reality, become buildings. Branches, phase I, then II, then III buildings. Area authorities look at overall area changes, and work with the stakes to plan out what stakes should look like. They juggle existing buildings, parking and classroom capacity, new construction, and changing boundary lines. Yes, they understand where 'the leadership' lives, meaning, who are the active/willing/able families who will be the Bishopric/YM/YW/RS/EQ leaders. They come up with their best proposal, and a few alternatives, and they send it up to the brethren. Who send it back down with some changes that don't make immediate sense, but come to over time.
  20. 37 out of 50 states have some form of exemption to ecclesiastical leaders having to report child abuse, if they learn about it from the abuser? I honestly didn't expect this was a thing. Huh. Well, back to the thinking board for me! @Tacenda, did you know this was a thing?
  21. What an interesting link. Which links to this section of the Utah State code that says this: I didn't realize that Utah had such an exemption. Can folks tell me if this is a standard thing in some/many states?
  22. Oh man! I used to be a rockstar, but only got 10/15. Getting old, forgetting about Kaballah and yoga and stuff.
  23. Love it! Another way of looking at things, is Light-minded vs. Light-hearted. Nibley's quote is all about finding ways to be light-hearted. The act of getting over ourselves. The process of understanding we're not as critical to the functioning of the universe as we think we are. Light-minded is mocking sacred things. Or using humor/sarcasm/dank wit for nefarious reasons. Almost the direct opposite of worshiping God. When I'm being light-hearted, and someone else thinks it's light-mindedness, they have a problem and I don't. Although if I'm interested in what they think, I need to change my approach. When I'm being light-hearted, but something sacred is going on, I have a problem and need to stop it.
  24. Maybe it's just me, but I tend to have a very snarky/sarcastic attitude at things like graduations, family reunions, wedding photos, standing in line in the DMV, etc. I have to watch myself to make sure my behavior is appropriate, but I keep finding myself drawing that line in places other than the "people in charge" think it should be drawn. I am never intentionally a jerk, but I realize there is a certain type of person who thinks I am one (although they'd never use the word because they're too polite). Further, maybe it's just me, but I'm not really apologetic about this, don't consider it a character defect, or even a bad habit. In some cases, I consider it my civic duty to let air out of overstuffed people. I must spend much energy to avoid this mindset and behavior in the temple, because sarcasm in the celestial room really is inappro-pro. Graduation ceremonies though? Gimme a break. Lifelong treasured memories are made when everyone is clapping and crazy uncle LM screams "naaaaaailed it!!!!" Those treasured memories are even more treasured if you can actually see some master of ceremonies face turn red. Extra points if you see a vein appear on her temple. It never dawned on me to call foul on the "people in charge" for trying to manipulate me with the spirit. I'm sure a rascal like me truly does disrupt their peace. It's just that I think that's sometimes a good thing.
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