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  1. Oh, if it wasn't, He suffered it to remain a thing for a time. That's something God does a lot - suffer things to remain things for times. How many millennia of humans before we figured out germ theory? Or the concept of marital rape? Or the reality of mental illness? If you're looking for a pain meter for various things God let His children believe until they figured it out for themselves, the priesthood ban would fall pretty dang low on the list if you ask me.
  2. Gotta factor things that into that comparison. In 1833 there was no internet, and only 4% of the population we have now. Factoring in accessibility and population density, if the church had started 3 years ago here, we'd be almost at a million by now. And if Snuffer had his start back in those days, well, we know it was a time full of people starting new things by yelling that the other religion was wrong, and almost nobody survived that except Joseph and maybe two others who later died out.
  3. He's some dude who began receiving revelation about how and when the church started going wrong, and got himself excommunicated. I hear he's got a small following somewhere. The most remarkable thing about him, is that's his real name, and no, it doesn't really mean anything in particular, or have anything to do with anything. Not nearly as nutty as the nutters who have visions of the last days and tent cities, and go buy winnebagoes and pick the place for Temporary New Zion in the rocky mountains. Just sort of nutty.
  4. The bible used the word "persecute", not "use the legal process". People did end up in prison, but you don't need to be following the law to arrest and imprison, you just need the dudes with the keys to the cells to go along with you.
  5. What motivates me to live the WOW? When I was a little kid, my mom put out her cigarette butts in her morning coffee cup after it got cold. I was in charge of dishes, and the smell of damp cigarettes and cold coffee haunts me to this day. I also married a recovering alcoholic, who even though has been 25 years sober, still bears some scars and quirks from back in the day. One BIL may be dead soon in his '40's, having destroyed his health with drugs in his teen years. Another BIL destroyed his family life as he chose drugs alcohol over being a husband and father. Honestly, the whole thing has never been that much of an issue for me. I'm bright enough to know that not everyone has such clarity over why the WoW is indeed wise, but dang, you don't have to be that smart to see why I've never struggled.
  6. Well, not everyone understands the importance of senior leadership communications. I've been hanging out with bishops at church, and Sr. managers at work, for a decade or more now. I've seen new entrants into the position speak off-the-cuff from the hip, and spend the rest of their tenure regretting it. I've watched them counsel with one another and agonize about how to craft the right message that speaks the truth, with the least risk of being misunderstood or turned into a destructive beatdown stick. Folks think "person in a position of power with a microphone", and they tend to think "spinmeister, manipulator, professional liar" and whatnot. Surely those people exist, and surely you can find them in front of microphones. But you can also find good, moral, honest people of high character in those places, and they have to be careful about what they say too.
  7. Probably because mentioning exciting growth has an energizing impact on missionary activity, and mentioning shrinking/anemic growth has the opposite effect. And if you're leading a church, you try to not do things that are counterproductive to your mission. I mean, is there some other plausible reason that is like, melodramatic or embarrassing or something?
  8. Don't forget last week's new church video:
  9. https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/topic/seer-stone https://nypost.com/2015/08/04/mormons-publish-photos-of-seer-stone-used-by-joseph-smith/ Seer stone is sitting in a drawer somewhere. Not sure about the spectacles/breastplate.
  10. Needs more dubstep. Kidding aside, I'm overall a fan of the church using YouTube to reach out with modern professional storyboard/infographic stuff like this. Some places online, we still can't swing a dead cat without hitting a handful of critics telling us the church won't admit to rocks and hats and stuff.
  11. Also, this gem, written by a guy named @cinepro from back in 2005. You may have heard of him. It's a redo of some musical that I failed to note: ---------------------------------- [INTERIOR STUDY - NIGHT] It's a small room, with bookshelves along every wall. A small desk sits in the middle, with a middle aged man hunched over a book. A small light illuminates him. JW: (singing) Day after day, night after night Searching... Verse after verse, one more time Reading... The words on the page...beautiful! The story they tell...wonderful! (Beautiful, wonderful...) Chiasmus! I see you on the page Chiasmus! It will soon be all the rage How could Joseph have done it...? He didn't! Was it ancient Nephi...? Yes, he did! [DP enters from stage right] DP: (speaking) John, it's late. You need rest. JW: (speaking excitedly) No Daniel. I've got it! Look at the words. It's a pattern of reiteration, found in ancient Hebrew! And it's in the Book of Mormon! It's everywhere! DP: Really, could it be...? JW: YES! DP and JW (in unison): Chiasmus! DP: ...and secret combinations... DP and JW (in harmony): Chiasmus! DP: ...metal plates in Babylos... DP and JW (big finish): Chiasmus! [CAFETERIA- DAY] It's crowded at every table, mostly with college-age students. Everyone is white, and dressed in J Crew or Lands End. A middle aged man, probably a teacher, sits at the end of a bench. He has some maps, and books, open in front of him. He is JG. JG: (singing) The pieces of the puzzle... in front of me. How do they go together? It tortures me! (The ghost of Moroni appears on the balcony. No one can see him.) Moroni: (singing softly) Cumorah.... JG: (still singing) Meso-america...and New York. How was it done...it doesn't work! So many plates, could they be all gone. Oliver said so, could he have been wrong? Moroni: (even softer) Two...Cumorah's. JG: (Looks up, as if inspiration has come from nowhere...yelling) I've got it! Two Cumorah's! (All the students are stunned. Silence as they freeze and look at him) JG: (singing energetically) One...two... Cumorah's! Student1: ..What did he say?... JG: (standing on the table, singing louder) One...two...Cumorah's!!! Student2: ...how can the be?... JG: (running down the table, singing to the students) It's all so easy, it all makes perfect sense. One Cumorah, for Mormon, the other, where Joseph went... Moroni: HE'S GOT IT! (All the students turn and look at him. Moroni covers his mouth and looks embarrassed) All students, dancing and singing: One...two...Cumorah's! Jews...like...menorah's! (A student in a 50's style nebbish shirt and tie wanders in from stage right, carrying an armful of books. All others stop their wild dancing and turn to him. Spotlight...) Nebbish: (singing softly) In the light of revelation, and the face of evidence... from the Prophet Joseph, Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer and common sense... we cannot say... in any way... that the Hill we call Cumorah All students: Yes!?? Nebbish: (Louder)That this hill we call Cumorah... All students: What...!??? Nebbish: (yelling, with conviction and confidence) We cannot say this hill we call Cumorah...is in Central America! (Silence. The students turn back to JG. JG pauses shrugs his shoulders, makes a funny face and yells...) JG: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you. (Students laugh) JG:(Singing)And one day, you'll be gone, but the FARMS work goes on!! Your thinking is limited, your vision obsolete... You made your mind up long ago, and set it in concrete. You need to expand...your outlook. It's so easy, it's all right there...it's in the Book! You'll never make it in the world with ideas like that. Scripture can be misinterpreted, hey...the Bible says Earth's flat! Students: (laughing and singing) The Bible says Earth's flat... JG: (continues) You lap up old ideas, like a bird from a bird feeder. Stay away from talking scholarship, especially if you become a Church leader. (Nebbish shakes his fist in anger. Moroni and Students laugh.) (Festive music starts...everyone dances. Moroni is doing the charleston.) Students...JG and Moroni: One...two...Cumorah's! (Nebbish looks resigned, and walks off stage. Festive dancing continues for until big finish.)
  12. Glad to see these preserved. I spent a decade reading FARMS and watching people fight about it online. It was how I became acquainted with the criticisms of my faith and it's members, and with responses from folks I could consider. About halfway through that decade, I started opening my mouth and participating in the great online debate. Since critics all seemed to be going off similar cut-and-paste lists of things FARMS was addressing, I did a lot of cutting-pasting what I thought were reasonable answers, scriptures to look up that provided context, additional historical elements to consider, and everything else. Then Owen and Mosser published their "Hey evangelicals - we really suck at criticizing Mormons and we should stop sucking so bad at criticizing Mormons" article, which to me felt like winning. I'm happily downloading all the PDFs into my own happy little pile of LDS topics. Next time I'm stuck on a desert island, or in between books, or raising the next generation of folks interested in LDS topics, I'll break these open and relive the fun. Because of FARMS, I know what peer review is, and what fools assume it is. I know a bit more about what DNA evidence can and can't tell us, and what fools assume it is and isn't telling us. I know more about the difference between facts/beliefs/truths/knowledge, and why people get them confused.
  13. Crap - I just saw my own username. The 2007'ses were weird times. Is this the religious version of a decade old racist tweet?
  14. Every week, I'm getting better and better at using the word "Christian". Where do I go to church? "A little Christian church in [town]." Wanna go get beer? "No thanks, I'm just a teetoataling little Christian boy." Where were you last Tuesday? "At the temple. Not all Christian churches have temples, but mine does." I'm finding the re-emphasis on the proper name is often a good time to answer a question that isn't even asked. Without being preachy, or being that guy who won't shut up about his stupid religion. I'm not a Mormon - ask me why!
  15. This is me, but like in church instead of school.
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