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  1. LoudmouthMormon

    Bill Reel $150 Challenge to Church Newsroom

    Fair enough. Perhaps my upbringing has been tempered with Elder Oaks' 1999 thoughts on unrighteous judgment. I can see my dad agreeing with your dad, and judging Bill for how he got the funds. (Just keep in mind, that generation also thought you could spot gays because they've got long hair, ear rings, and sing high parts in songs.)
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    Bill Reel $150 Challenge to Church Newsroom

    Disagree. If he loses a bet, and hands $150 to the winner, that says something positive about his character and his word. How he comes up with the money is his business. There's nothing illegal, immoral, or fattening in asking for donations. Maybe not my cup of tea, I'd be a bit embarrassed to do it that way, but my word is important to me, and I'd bear the embarrassment in order to pay my debts. My take on these things may be seen as a bit dated - it came from my father, born in 1922, went through the great depression, part of the greatest WWII vet generation. I can hear him now: "A man's word is his BOND, son! Without that, he's nothing!" But I think it's a good take.
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    Bill Reel $150 Challenge to Church Newsroom

    I get my personalities mixed up, and honestly don't remember anything I've ever learned about Bill Reel. But I will always remember to the end of my days, if he pays up or welches out of it. If he pays, I will think of him with a measure of respect, as his behavior will have backed up the notion that a person's word is important. If he does not pay, I will think of him with a measure of disrespect, as one who welches on a bet has lied, and is exposing something very negative about his character. This is, like, "speak up when one of my brethren kneels at the feet of his Master and receives final judgment" type stuff. If I'm there and have a voice, I'll bear record of this event.
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    Bill Reel $150 Challenge to Church Newsroom

    Indeed. That's the real news here - did $150 change hands?
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    Religious Influence in LGBTQ Suicide may be Overblown

    Paging @california boy... Need to hear your opinion!
  6. LoudmouthMormon

    Mormon Helping Hands

    One simple explanation: We're using up our existing stock of yellow shirts with the word "Mormon" on them, rather than just throw them away. Come back in a year (or 3 months if the disasters are big), and see what the shirts say. In my ward, we're still using tithing envelopes with the previous bishop's name on them. Current bishop is in his 4th year. We just don't wanna throw them out. Wasteful.
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    History of the Satanic Panic

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    History of the Satanic Panic

    My secret method was to marry my wife, because she gets all this stuff. She is street wise and has amazing abilities to read people - their posture, tone of voice, body language, facial expression. So she has just always known when to go wading into a bunch of bikers and ask the biggest one if her daughter can sit on his motorcycle, and when to ditch lunch and leave the Burger King because she spotted rival gang colors and apparently there was something about to go down. One daughter around age 10 taught a class to a bunch of high schoolers on how to knit. Both daughters took their turns running the petting zoo at the local community parade thing for a couple of years. Helping adults to understand why turkeys gobble and whatnot. Our kids went to various homeschool co-ops. A secular one, two religious ones. And took advantage of a handful of homeschool outreach programs by various school districts. Colorado is very HS friendly. Daughters are teens now, they're both currently in a hybrid online high school program that has them in a public school with teachers 4 days a week. There are absolutely differences in how we socialize, than the "average" family with "average" kids in a public school. And one of our kids takes after me as a borderline reclusive introvert, while the other one enjoys social situations a lot more. Homeschooling is not for everyone. Folks concerned about their kids fitting in, might find themselves struggling. Our goal is to help create capable, moral, intelligent, able adults, and release them into the world where they make a positive impact on their friends/family/community. We don't much care if anyone goes to prom.
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    I recognize some of my FB buddies in that study! But not every critic has been a member and experienced a faith crisis. There are also folks who watched a loved one get baptized and are now ticked off. Lots and lots of people who attended that one class on Mormons their one church had that one year - taught by a "professional". Some have been treated badly by a member, some really, really badly. Some just have problems with authority, and find themselves living in Utah. I'd be fine with the term 'antimormon' if the critics of my faith/members/church/beliefs wanted to be known by that name. But few do.
  10. LoudmouthMormon

    History of the Satanic Panic

    Remember old-timey graphic equalizers we all used to have on our stereo systems? Homeschooling is like that: Every homeschooling family sets the sliders differently. Your person apparently had the "disagreement" setting set low. Not my experience - my kids argue with everything and every body. Also, our Harry Potter (and similar things like D&D) sliders were wherever the kids wanted to set them. A big chunk of public schooling is trying to get everyone's graphic equalizers set similarly, so they'll fit into whatever program they're in, and be ready for whatever is coming next. That's the plan any way. With my kids, one of them passed my abilities in math in 3rd grade, but can't spell her way out of a paper bag. The other kid published her first 3500 word fanfiction at age 11, but sucks at math. One experiments with weird hair color, the other doesn't even want pierced ears. When homeschooled kids move into a more structured cookie-cutter-type situation, they can struggle a bit because of culture clash.
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    History of the Satanic Panic

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    History of the Satanic Panic

    Well, as a dad in a very conservative family that homeschooled our kids, lemme just say that I've met a few of those people, and we don't tend to be friends with 'em. Homeschooling is fun. We probably met over a hundred different hs families, and 80% are regular folks. That remaining 20% though, could be some pretty whacked out fringey weirdoes. I figure public schooled families have like a 90/10 split, with that last 10% not being as extreme.
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    I don't like the word. Critics of my church/faith/beliefs are not part of any single cohesive group, any more than people who dislike asparagus. They're all various humans with various reasons for various opinions/beliefs.
  14. I'm fond of saying stuff like this: "The absolute best way to preserve your testimony, is to know what you believe, and why you believe it." There's historical or theological stuff. Almost without exception, when someone finds true things, whether historical or theological, hard to accept, it's because the person is missing one or both. They aren't sure what they believe, or they discover what they've always believed isn't true.
  15. People can say something not true, without lying. We all get that, right? That's like fifth grade Knowing-What-Words-Mean, yes? There's making mistakes, there's mis-speaking, faulty recollections, and miscommunications. And that's just on the part of the person trying to communicate. Don't even get me started on the person hearing, what with all their belief-window-translating, mis-hearing, incorrectly interpreting, worldview/language differences. I mean, I'm not the only guy who thinks so, right?