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  1. On 10/7/2019 at 2:59 PM, The Nehor said:

    I am curious about these 8 year olds who have supposedly never heard of homosexuality because their parents have not told them about it yet. Are they all home schooled?

    We home school and my daughter has heard about them just from TV.

    Weve talked with her about it too. Have to even if it's simple understanding

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  2. On 10/7/2019 at 12:58 PM, rockpond said:

    I agree with this.  As my wife and I discussed it on Saturday night, we were wondering why they don't have the Women's Session be 12 years old and up.  There should be a session where more adult topics can be discussed without primary age children present.

    Yet weve had the same type of talks in general sessions where all ages are. What is the alternative now other than not talking about it at all? And is that reasonable?

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  3. On 10/7/2019 at 1:32 PM, changed said:
    1. the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
      the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs
      "a certain blind man sat by the wayside, begging...  have mercy on me... the crowd tried to silence the man, but he cried so much the more...."  I am moved by this... we can sense the man's distress, we can almost hear him shouting... we smile at his refusal to be silent ... the good sense that this man had in having spiritually sensitive people around him... it all hinges on a handful of anonymous women and men to identify Christ.  In matters of faith and conviction, it helps to direct your inquiry to those who actually have (faith)... shall the blind lead the blind?  shall they not both fall into the ditch?"
      one's own behavior does not conform
      4:20, he smirks, and has to pause as everyone in the audience is laughing about Sam Young, laughing about LGBT, laughing about racism against indigenous people, laughing at women, laughing about all those outside who have been deeply hurt by the church.
      The opposite of love is not hate it's indifference.  
      the church is filled with prideful hypocrites who laugh and mock those who are abused.  Like pharisees praising and applauding Judas, giving Judas money even.... everyone pays the apostles to tell them they are chosen, tell them they are special, while all others are hated by God, and to be laughed at.

    do you realize your definition undercuts your accusation?

  4. On 10/7/2019 at 11:18 AM, bluebell said:

    It's probably coming.  Last spring Colorado lawmakers voted to mandate LGBTQ curriculum for K-12 public school students.  I'm not sure if the governor actually signed the bill into law or not.  

    California is the most well-known state to making teaching LGBT issues mandatory in public schools, though from what i've read they only approved their first textbook on the subject in 2017 (though the law has been on the books since 2011) so it's slow going for most of them.  And I think that California is the only state where it's required in elementary schools, but maybe I'm wrong on that.


    Was visiting a local school today. Walked in the front door and there is a lgbt display right up front.

    9-10 years old.

    Seems about right to me.

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  5. On 10/6/2019 at 9:05 PM, Raingirl said:

    Elder Holland was not speaking of the march, he was referring to the protestors who appear at conference every year. 

    You can spin and lie all you want, but it doesn’t change the facts. 

    Elder Holland is a straightforward person and speaker. If he had wanted to refer to Sam Young and his activities, he would have done so clearly and directly. 

    Spin is all they have

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  6. On 10/6/2019 at 5:39 PM, bluebell said:

    Have you ever been on temple square at conference time changed?  It’s full of protesters with signs talking about how all the Mormons are going to hell. Those protesters have been there since long before anyone knew Sam Young’s name.  Chuckling at them and their antics has been a long-standing joke for decades. 

    Elder Holland’s words had nothing to do with laughing at child abuse by church leaders. 

    Not that the protestors care about child abuse to begin with. If they did we would be the last ones they would protest

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  7. On 10/6/2019 at 5:35 PM, Duncan said:

    Mind you I recall then Elder Nelson getting excited about when the Tabernacle was re-dedicated in 2007, so memorable for him may be a ho-hum for everyone else

    I think those who dont prepare for the next conferenxe likely won't see what Pres Nelson is preparing for.

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  8. On 10/6/2019 at 1:59 PM, bluebell said:

    I think that some women might need to stop and consider that maybe the change to the witness policy isn't supposed to have anything to do with making women feel special.  

    I'm worried that as women in the church some of us are beginning to become too self-centered in our relationship with the gospel and the church.  Are we beginning to lose sight of the need to forget ourselves, to lose ourselves in the work of Christ?  

    Validation is important but is everything that happens in the church now supposed to be judged on it's ability or inability to validate women?  


    I agree.

    It has nothing to do with making women feel special.

    It has to do with hastening the work. The Lord needs us to do more so He is gathering help from the sisters and even the youth of the Church

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  9. On 10/5/2019 at 8:35 PM, SteveO said:

    I don’t think so.  He’s kind of the reliable war horse when it comes to uncomfortable truths.

    As he should be. It's a shame he has to be though. It seems that no matter what they teach concerning the Family that there are some who refuse to listen. Which means they repeat

  10. 13 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

    It’s not Smac’s fault if people don’t avail themselves of the accessibility provided to them. 

    When I give a link, I almost never quote the entirety of the thing I’m linking to. It’s unnecessary because, well, there’s a link provided. 

    Seems like a weird thing to quibble over. 

    When you dont have substance to add quibbling over weird things is all you can do.

    Personally ive liked what ive seen of the talk. The fact that the enemies of the Church are trying to pretend this is some remarkable milestone rather just a continuation in the on going gathering of Israel is sad. They focus so much on who is speaking and less what He said.

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  11. On 9/30/2019 at 9:12 PM, OGHoosier said:

    I would find it extremely unlikely that Lehi would be carrying Northern European DNA. A more likely candidate is Scandinavian sailing, perhaps on an earlier timetable than previously realized.


    Someone wrote an article or two a few years back about the Nephites migration north led them to settle in Germany. It was an interesting theory

  12. It amazes me how President Nelson can outline the process of receiving revelation & Tell us precisely that it was revelation, in a sermon where the Spirit overwhelmingly testifies that what he is saying is true, and we still have people denying that it's revelation.

    How much more clearer does the Lord need to be? How much power does he need to call down before you will acknowledge that God is present in and revealing His will to His servants? 

    May I suggest listening to the truths Pres Nelson was teaching, particularly number 5?

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  13. 8 hours ago, bdouglas said:

    Well, as I said, I guess weird/weirdness is in the eye of the beholder. And yes, looking into a chocolate rock would be weird——except that what we got from that chocolate rock is the BOM, perhaps the most amazing book in existence in the world today.

    And so it is with polygamy also. What were the fruits of polygamy? A generation of church leaders that carried the church through its first one hundred years.

    What are Mr. Snuffer's fruits? A revelation (quoted above) that is dripping with narcissism and silliness and is impossible to take seriously, and another revelation (the Gospel of John revelation) that is basically unreadable.

    It's same with all of the Fundie Fruitcakes——Jim Harmston, Mauricio Berger, Glendenning, all of them. They don't have anything to show. Mr. Snuffer says, "I see and speak with the Lord regularly." But what does he have to show for this? Really nothing.

    Nobody today reads the revelations of Jim Harmston or Maurice Glendenning, and in 50 years, nobody will read the silly revelations of Denver Snuffer aka David.

    Revelation from the Holy Ghost leads to clarity. We see that well with President Nelson's devotional the other day.

    "Revelation" from other sources leads to confusion, oddness.

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