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  1. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying..... But, are you implying that God used the 9/11 terrorists to afflict his people in an attempt to bring then back in the fold?
  2. Hi Smac, While the Harvard FAQ is correct on some points, I believe that the FAQ needs updating. The 2018 Farm Bill legalized regulated hemp production and hemp product sales across the country. The bill removed any Cannabis with lower than 0.3% THC from the controlled substance act. Therefore, any hemp derived products (including CBD products) are currently legal in all 50 states, assuming that the hemp was produced by a licensed grower following the federal and state guidelines. The federal government does not consider CBD itself (or any other non-THC cannabinoid) in the same class as marijuana if derived from legally grown hemp. The DEA has been slow to update their definition of 'marihuana', and still includes all Cannabis in their definition. But, they no longer have the authority to regulate interstate movement of Cannabis seed or plant material if it falls below the 0.3% THC threshold. That authority is now under the USDA. -cacheman
  3. Bergin stated; "I referred to a study just published which indicated that 50% of white male homosexuals surveyed in San Francisco had had at least 500 sexual partners, 28% had 1000 partners, and 25% of them had had relationships with boys under the age of sixteen" He didn't extrapolate.... he just didn't speak to the survey methodology or mention the authors comments about the study not being representative. You did the same as him, but further extrapolated by stating that; "fully 25% of the adult homosexual males of San Francisco had actually had sex with minors under the age of sixteen". This was among the 'facts' you presented to counter Calm's statement that "Same sex pedophilia is not the same thing as homosexuality. It is best to be careful to use clear terminology to avoid confusing them." Even if the statistics you presented were factual, I fail to see how they counter her statement.
  4. Hi Robert, The editorializing was in extrapolating beyond what Bell and Weinburg wrote. They specifically stated that their survey was not representative. The percentage numbers were specific to the subset of survey participants, not the whole if the gay community in San Francisco, and most certainly not across the nation. Furthermore, you provided these stats to counter calms assertions as if a subset of the San Francisco gay community in 1970 was representative of homosexuals in general. I don't doubt that there was a hedonistic or sex obsessed subculture and the impact that had on the aid epidemic. That really had no bearing on the points that calm raised. Three same point exists with the Catholic priests.... which you've acknowledged in your response to USU78.
  5. No, he doesn't. I would assume, given his profession that he was familiar with it. The book was reviewed in scholarly venues as well as the popular press.
  6. This is like a game of research telephone! Bell and Weinberg write a book which includes a small survey of gay men in gay bars and other sexually charged environments. The statistics presented above were from among that subset of gay men. Bergin cherry picks theses statistics and presents them without specifying the limitations of the survey..... and now you editorialize by saying things like "fully 25% of the adult homosexual males of San Francisco had actually had sex with minors under the age of sixteen." If we went to pickup bars and swingers clubs in Salt Lake City to survey heterosexual participants, do you believe the results obtained would be representative of the broader SLC heterosexual population?
  7. You might want to read that article again. It does mention the lenient territorial divorce laws. These would presumably refer to civil divorces. You might be interested to research the "divorce bureaus" between the years 1875 and 1878. I don't know how the divorce numbers in Utah compared with the rest of the country, but it appears to have been a divorce destination for some. https://books.google.com/books?id=BBk-AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA206&lpg=PA206&dq="divorce+bureau"+utah+territory&source=bl&ots=JJpHnSnOdo&sig=ACfU3U2IyJTwh0iNb53r9zvDB8qlOoFK0Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjr6drdmaviAhWkY98KHUXCAkMQ6AEwC3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q="divorce bureau" utah territory&f=false
  8. I thought it was his wife, Camille. I don't recall any mention of Spencer Kimball living in the colonies. It's been a while though, so maybe I'm missing something.
  9. What do you mean by 'most.... mock those who do not behave in a dissolute manner'? That seems so counter to what I've experienced. I'm curious as to how you've come to this conclusion. -cacheman
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    I think it's great that the LDS church promotes healthy living, but they might want to update parts of their guide. The concept of protein combining was demonstrated to be unnecessary about 30 years ago. They could also mention complete protein plants other than soy..... like quinoa, buckwheat, chia, cannabis, and others.
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    When I was a believing member of the church, I had an experience that led me to re-evaluate what I thought the scriptures said. It was D&C 49 that came to my mind while in the process of killing an animal for food. The section talks about how it is wrong to mandate the abstention of meat, but then ended with Jesus saying something like 'woe unto those who sheddeth blood who hath no need' (I might have garbled the actual quote). It occurred to me that I didn't need to eat meat. I've carried that thought with me over the years and have tested it in my life. I haven't needed animal products for many years, and so why would I purposefully kill, or cause to be killed, an animal. Plants on the other hand must be consumed in order for us just to survive. If a need for animal products was there, then I would consume animal products. I understand that others interpret that scripture differently than I did. I just wanted to give you the personal perspective that I had when I was LDS. -cacheman
  12. That sounds like an interesting childhood. It would be difficult for an introvert like myself to grow up in that culture... constantly under suspicion. But, maybe the long-term familiarity would have modified my introverted nature. In many ways I feel fortunate to have lived in a number of different cultures growing up.... in and outside of the U.S.. However, moving around every few years, and rarely seeing any extended family probably contributed to my introversion and lack of closeness with most people. I'm perfectly comfortable being a face in the crowd in a large unfamiliar crowded city, but I am uncomfortable around groups where we know each other (ie. Church, school, etc.). The irony is that I've followed a very public career path which puts me in those situations daily.... often where I'm the center of afternoon. So in my private life, I need seclusion to recover from the day's over-socialization. I don't share where or how I live with any of my colleagues, and only a very few close friends. When I go home at the end of the day, it's like going to another world where I can recharge. I think it would be very interesting to see someone study potential links between personality, upbringing, and culture as they relate to religious disaffection.... particularly in close knit religious communities like are found in Mormonism. I suspect wee would see some interesting trends. Recognizing these potential links could help increase understanding and empathy between current and former members of religious groups.
  13. This is interesting. I think that the level of comfort one feels in a church community may influence the degree of effort one makes in devising whether to leave or stay when faced with conflicting beliefs. I'm just the opposite of how you described yourself, in that I'm really uncomfortable with having my personal space violated. I share this trait with my mother and one of my siblings. At the time that I left the church, we lived in a small rural town in Utah, where many or most of the people were like you.... having no sense of personal space. I imagine that the shared faith community and extensive familial ties in the town contributed to this. There was a social aspect to the community that was foreign to me. When my religious/ethical beliefs became increasingly different than my faith community, it wasn't a difficult decision for me to move on.....I didn't share the same type of social relationships that most had. Did you happen to grow up in a rural Utah town where there were a lot of shared religious and familial connections? -cacheman
  14. The story you posted is touching, and sounds likely that the decisions were in the best long-term interest of the child. However, every scenario is unique. My wife was an unwed pregnant 15 year old and gave birth to our son at 16. At this point in my life, I can't imagine not having him in our life. We were able to raise him in a stable two parent household, and I believe that this scenario turned out to be in his best interest. On the other hand, my sister was given up for adoption by her birth mother, and was subsequently adopted by my parents. I believe the decisions made by all parties in that scenario worked out in the interest if the child as well. I think that decisions regarding the future of their children are profoundly difficult for mothers to make. There is no real way of knowing outcomes in advance, but my hope is that these types of decisions are made thoughtfully, taking into account all the different factors, first and foremost being the child's best interests.
  15. Very true. There are a number of native grape species in north America. That's why I'm perplexed with Sorenson's claim (repeated by the Maxwell Institute, Fairmormon, Bom Central, etc.) His willingness to extrapolate well beyond the evidence doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his methodology.
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