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  1. I have no idea about their private conversations. But years back, someone posted, what they claimed was Dr. Ritner's response to repeated statements by Dr. Gee and Dr. Peterson that Gee had Dr. Ritner removed from his committee, he mentioned that he was concerned about his name being associated with Gee's apologetic output. He also called their repeated posts regarding the change of chairs as false allegations. I'm not aware of Dr. Gee or Dr. Peterson publicly making those allegations in the years since that response.
  2. That's understandable, and just to be clear, my post was not meant to single you out. It just happened to be the last one I read before I responded. There were others in this thread who reacted more harshly. Whatever the case (whether she bears some guilt or is an innocent victim herself), it must be a frightening and vulnerable time for her and her kids.
  3. Maybe I've missed something in the articles..... but I'm inclined to give his wife the benefit of the doubt. It's not clear to me that she knew all of what was going on. I would imagine that this was a frightening, chaotic, and confusing few moments of panic following the allegations in the store. Her husband might have been trying to convince her that the accuser was wrong or misinterpreting his actions. If she didn't see the photos before he deleted them, then she might be inclined to believe her husband over his victim. I try imagine how I would respond if I was in a store with my wife, and then from the other side of the store I hear someone accusing her of some horrible thing. My likely first inclination would be to protect my wife, and then try to talk things out with the accuser and gather more information (especially, if I thought it was out of character for her). Without convincing information, I would do what I could to protect her, because in my mind, it would be very unlikely that she would do the horrible thing she was accused of. I'm uncomfortable with some of the speculation and accusations I'm seeing towards his wife. It's hard to know how anyone will respond in a traumatic incident. If she attempted to cover up, or aid and abet a crime, then it's the responsibility of the authorities to look in to that. I don't think that we have enough information.... at least I don't.
  4. Ok. So, this was also just an assumption or perhaps a vague memory that may or not be correct? Are you comfortable making statements about people that you don't know to be true? If not, perhaps you should edit it.
  5. I'm not that familiar with this story, and I can't find any source where he claimed to be the first openly gay member of a bishopric. Can you please provide a source for that?
  6. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're saying..... But, are you implying that God used the 9/11 terrorists to afflict his people in an attempt to bring then back in the fold?
  7. Hi Smac, While the Harvard FAQ is correct on some points, I believe that the FAQ needs updating. The 2018 Farm Bill legalized regulated hemp production and hemp product sales across the country. The bill removed any Cannabis with lower than 0.3% THC from the controlled substance act. Therefore, any hemp derived products (including CBD products) are currently legal in all 50 states, assuming that the hemp was produced by a licensed grower following the federal and state guidelines. The federal government does not consider CBD itself (or any other non-THC cannabinoid) in the same class as marijuana if derived from legally grown hemp. The DEA has been slow to update their definition of 'marihuana', and still includes all Cannabis in their definition. But, they no longer have the authority to regulate interstate movement of Cannabis seed or plant material if it falls below the 0.3% THC threshold. That authority is now under the USDA. -cacheman
  8. Bergin stated; "I referred to a study just published which indicated that 50% of white male homosexuals surveyed in San Francisco had had at least 500 sexual partners, 28% had 1000 partners, and 25% of them had had relationships with boys under the age of sixteen" He didn't extrapolate.... he just didn't speak to the survey methodology or mention the authors comments about the study not being representative. You did the same as him, but further extrapolated by stating that; "fully 25% of the adult homosexual males of San Francisco had actually had sex with minors under the age of sixteen". This was among the 'facts' you presented to counter Calm's statement that "Same sex pedophilia is not the same thing as homosexuality. It is best to be careful to use clear terminology to avoid confusing them." Even if the statistics you presented were factual, I fail to see how they counter her statement.
  9. Hi Robert, The editorializing was in extrapolating beyond what Bell and Weinburg wrote. They specifically stated that their survey was not representative. The percentage numbers were specific to the subset of survey participants, not the whole if the gay community in San Francisco, and most certainly not across the nation. Furthermore, you provided these stats to counter calms assertions as if a subset of the San Francisco gay community in 1970 was representative of homosexuals in general. I don't doubt that there was a hedonistic or sex obsessed subculture and the impact that had on the aid epidemic. That really had no bearing on the points that calm raised. Three same point exists with the Catholic priests.... which you've acknowledged in your response to USU78.
  10. No, he doesn't. I would assume, given his profession that he was familiar with it. The book was reviewed in scholarly venues as well as the popular press.
  11. This is like a game of research telephone! Bell and Weinberg write a book which includes a small survey of gay men in gay bars and other sexually charged environments. The statistics presented above were from among that subset of gay men. Bergin cherry picks theses statistics and presents them without specifying the limitations of the survey..... and now you editorialize by saying things like "fully 25% of the adult homosexual males of San Francisco had actually had sex with minors under the age of sixteen." If we went to pickup bars and swingers clubs in Salt Lake City to survey heterosexual participants, do you believe the results obtained would be representative of the broader SLC heterosexual population?
  12. You might want to read that article again. It does mention the lenient territorial divorce laws. These would presumably refer to civil divorces. You might be interested to research the "divorce bureaus" between the years 1875 and 1878. I don't know how the divorce numbers in Utah compared with the rest of the country, but it appears to have been a divorce destination for some. https://books.google.com/books?id=BBk-AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA206&lpg=PA206&dq="divorce+bureau"+utah+territory&source=bl&ots=JJpHnSnOdo&sig=ACfU3U2IyJTwh0iNb53r9zvDB8qlOoFK0Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjr6drdmaviAhWkY98KHUXCAkMQ6AEwC3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q="divorce bureau" utah territory&f=false
  13. I thought it was his wife, Camille. I don't recall any mention of Spencer Kimball living in the colonies. It's been a while though, so maybe I'm missing something.
  14. What do you mean by 'most.... mock those who do not behave in a dissolute manner'? That seems so counter to what I've experienced. I'm curious as to how you've come to this conclusion. -cacheman
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    I think it's great that the LDS church promotes healthy living, but they might want to update parts of their guide. The concept of protein combining was demonstrated to be unnecessary about 30 years ago. They could also mention complete protein plants other than soy..... like quinoa, buckwheat, chia, cannabis, and others.
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