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  1. Lol. Honestly caught myself on this before I hit send but thought it'd be fun to see you correct me. Thanks I always get those mixed up. Why weren't you already paying for the country a requested?
  2. I'm asking a question as per a thought exercise. I dont know motives but questioning motives of those with power feels like an appropriate move, atleast from time to time. The.phrase quoted enables questions
  3. Do our prayers effect the determinations of God? That is to say if the political issues we see today is GOd's effort to bring about the end of days, as they say, then what do prayers have to do with it? Perhaps they only are effective in that they save the prayer giver? A God who waits for some of hte people to start to name specific individuals to show they care, seems more beholden to these imperfect people and less determined to accomplish his will, it seems to me.
  4. Not a fantasy at all. I've seen many of the church's leaders give leading messages about how they interact with God, leaving membership to play off the ambiguity and exalt these leaders
  5. Awesome. So he's trying to continue the myth that he gets to see jesus as jesus comes by for a nighttime visit? Is he claiming to tell us jesus' important message to us or is he relying on vague allusions to make us feel confident they know something we don't?
  6. Here's what I tracked when I googled around to find the studies: An opinion piece in USA Today said this: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2018/12/06/gay-conversion-therapy-lgbt-republican-ban-column/2192421002/ This study was cited: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00918369.2018.1538407?scroll=top&needAccess=true If anyone gets access to the full article and can tell us precisely what it says that'd be great. I don't have access and don't plan on getting it. I also found this study (but likewise can't see the full text of it): https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2019.305237
  7. Excellently articulated, california boy. I'm surprised (Perhaps shouldn't be) by the responses you are getting to try and minimize your viewpoint. I'm finding myself agreeing with you (no surprises there) and see the responses silly. No one's saying "religious organizations will be punished because of the content of their viewpoint" or whatever. We've gotten to the absurd. In the case of the LDS Church inserting it's efforts into the political arena as it pertains to the issue of gay marriage, it is no wonder people would question the special place religion has held when it comes to tax exemption. A religion preaching what it claims is true vs a religion inserting itself into politics in hopes to sway political ends are two different things.
  8. What rights are you talking about? If they pay taxes, or in the case of the LDS Church, pay more taxes that is not violating rights. That is requiring a business to pay taxes. Of course, if churches limited their action to preaching what they think is right, then I wouldn't even worry about arguing that they pay taxes.
  9. I think I've been pretty clear. I'm not sure what you're pushing for. I was very particular about what I said about playing politics--spending money for political ends and mobilizing forces to influence politics. But again, I'd be happy to say they can preach what they want. I"d say they can even stand up at a podium and say something like, God opposes same sex marriage and that's what he wants from you. Have at it.
  10. I"d say Churches can engage in any speech they want. Preaching is a far cry from actual mobilization efforts, a far cry from spending money to play politics. I don't know how you arrived at this conclusion from what I said.
  11. Considering the Church has it's hands in many businesses and has reportedly many billions of dollars, I imagine and hope the Church already pays various levels of taxes. I'd hate to imagine a corporation worth many billions pays far less as a rate in taxes than I do, but it is quite likely the case. I do believe there are many very sneaky ways to get out of paying certain taxes. I'm pretty confident the Church and its resources have figured out many ways to cut back on taxes in order to benefit the church's coffers. There is a fundamental difference between preaching what a church believes, and a Church organizing and coordinating forces, spending money, and requesting it's membership to oppose state and national issues. Churches should be able to preach what it believes and leave it at that, in my view. I find churches to be lacking integrity when they go beyond that. Pay taxes for getting heavily involved in any particularly political view? sure. But I doubt it'll happen. The big guys usually get their way...and there is an extremely strong precedent set for Churches to not pay taxes.
  12. No. Going along with that which you disagree with isn't free. It feels good not to be trammeled 😉 How prophetic is it to name a couple controversial issues and say if members don't follow the prophets, if they dare to halt between two opinions, they will find themselves disagreeing with the leaders? That included a bunch of questions. What are you seeing unfold before your eyes? Is government about to fail and will we really be unable to rely on our families when the failure comes?
  13. That’s what I suggested. Luckily most members find such teaching foolish for the most part and live a little more free. I’m glad you agree.
  14. I'm sure that's the easiest of wishes for you to adopt. If the Church stayed true to Brigham young's teaching of the ban. that it wouldn't possibly be lifted until every child of God, who was not cursed, had received the priesthood and it's blessings, I'd wonder what the church would be today. I'm guessing a bit less influential. And perhaps even the Nehor wouldn't be defending it. Well, perhaps--who knows with that guy.
  15. Give some credit to yourself. SOunds like you made your choice too.
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