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  1. I didn't say the spirit just confirms what we personally agree with. But it does turn out, oddly enough, that the spirit's workings on man has certainly not proven to be foolproof...and as it turns out, in comparison to God we are all just a bundle of fools. I mentioned the deplorable manuals because often they teach things as true, like in history, but the stories have been shown to be not true. And yet, as it turns out, I'd go ahead and offer a splitting of hemlock knots with a corn-dodger for a wedge and a pumpkin for a beetle for anyone who thinks that some Mormon didn't walk away having felt the Spirit when the false stories were told. But as I suggested, and it seems you disagree with, the Spirit is felt by many people in many situations confirming, often, many contradicting "truths".
  2. Define truth? The Spirit is present on an individual basis and its, of course, rather subjective. What's true to you and thus invites the Spirit may not be for another, which other might find truth in a competing thought or proposition and thus feel the Spirit when you do not. That's why, of course, we have different propositions held by Churches and groups who claim the Spirit's provenance.
  3. The biggest problem I have with this type of standard is the Spirit is present any time anyone feels it. Its as possible for the Spirit to be present when a teacher goes on about Joseph's good and bad behavior when it came to polygamy, Brigham's Adam-God teachings, when false stories as told as truth (like so many in the manuals), or personal stories are shared that pertain to the lesson topic, or at any time for that matter. While we put it on the teacher to make it happen, it can happen or not no matter what the teacher does, or prepares for. When someone has the standard of the Spirit was present in order for a class to be good, that person is really just saying, "class works if I let it". Yesterday's anti-Mormonism is found in today's essays, which we're supposed to be able to use in our class lessons these days.
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    I'm happy its not mentioned nor taken seriously. What you describe is annoying to me. If your wife was in a place health wise to not have babies and never would, then what's the question? What if the praying about it made you feel you shouldn't have it done? Prayer, of course, is no foolproof way of receiving divine guidance. This policy, of course, just needs to be nixed altogether. It's completely idiotic, as I see it, and no wonder it is not taken seriously, and is completely ignored.
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    Thanks s not what I did. It was meant that challenge that which I find problematic.
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    That’s not true. I’ve not said anyth Ng about vilifying the church. K.
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    I shouldn't have invoked the name phariseee, for sure. It was in bad taste, i'd say. Of course I defend people. I did not in any way see it as pejorative, but as a means of classification. I did not seek to disparage anyone. I used it to suggest the church has many rules more rules, likely, than others.
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    That was not the suggestion. Things can get so out of hand in these conversations if people continue to read into comments. The suggestion was the Church (not the brethren....two different things) are being like the Pharisees in one particular way--favoring the letter of the law over the spirit of it. When I said the Church is trying to out Pharisee the Pharisees the context suggested I am saying the Church is trying to create a very detailed written record of law. I don't see a reason to get all worked up over this, Smac, and try to paint this as me saying something I did not. Gray is correct in pointing out the Pharisees were not evil. The caricatures painted in the NT were likely not real. they came from stories handed down over decades and recorded by people, most likely, wanting to make a point about the Pharisees and other groups. They were just people. It'd be wise to treat them with some amount of respect and take them by their word rather than the word of those who were intent on mischaracterize them. Yeah...wow. You've misunderstood.
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    You are right...That's not a true statement of my premise at all. not even close. Well whatever, Scott. I enjoyed the point made. It's a bit of a summation of things people have said they have been told. Admittedly it was not a quotation per se, but a statement capturing the idea I remember hearing.
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    You've misread me, completely. I don't know how to help resolve this other than to ask you go back and try again.
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    True. Nearly every Mormon man I know who is done with kids have had vasectomies. I didn't know the Church's policy was to not get them unless health concerns for the man or future child is at issue.
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    Ah..that wasn't my point. But, it feels pointless to explain it now.
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    I don't get the legal control issue, you mention. But I agree, I don't think there is anything earth-shattering in it. It seems silly to me to restrict access to a book of rules and procedures.
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    it certainly seems to work against the notion of a church run on revelation, doesn't it?
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    I wish I could just rep this post. Ah well, quoting and saying will do.