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  1. Sounds like your argument should be with the Miami Herald. Why not write a letter to the editor using extracts from some of your previous comments (with a few minor edits for continuity). Something like this: Dear Editor: Last October 26, you published an article entitled: “'Helping Hands'” Mormon volunteers help in post-Hurricane Matthew cleanup effort.” In it you mentioned that 370 Mormon volunteers from various parts of Florida had traveled to Flagler and Volusia counties, where they spent two days helping the hurricane victims. You also published no fewer than three (3) photographs showing these volunteers wearing bright yellow shirts that clearly identified them as members of the Mormon Church. It is my opinion that true charity is given anonymously or without an underlying motivation for recognition and credit. If charity is the true love of Christ, then there is no need to be identified as anything other than an unidentified person The Mormon church desires to be recognized for their collective organized efforts when it serves to benefit them and frankly that offends me. Sorry but that is how I see it. If they did not seek attention and recognition they wouldn't wear the shirts identifying volunteers as members of the church....and they could still provide the same service...but what they wouldn't receive is the same recognition and media attention plan and simple. Its very clear to anyone with eyes to see WHY these yellow shirts are covered with advertising for the LDS church...they seek to be seen for the good efforts of their members and receive the media attention and good will that accompanies doing so beings the church...and that's fine...it seems to be working...but lets not try to be in denial as to why this identification is put on these shirts...that's just ignoring reality. By the way, I personally did nothing to help the victims of Hurricane Matthew. Sincerely, Johnnie Cake Its been a few months, but the Miami Herald may still publish it. Go ahead. Send it in. It would be interesting to see the reader comments -- especially those from the hurricane victims.
  2. Can you name one person working in the White House who self-identifies as “alt-right?”
  3. Sigh. In my opinion “true charity” also includes being charitable when judging those who volunteer to help others. In thread after thread, the LDS church has been criticized for not doing enough “humanitarian service.” But when it does do what even our critics admit is humanitarian service, we are told it is not really “true charity.” And why? Because of our shirts. What has changed in the last 40 years since the Teton Dam break is that disaster responders have continued to learn from each new incident and have modified their SOPs accordingly. (For that matter, I doubt that there were even any national training standards or recommended SOPs for civilian volunteers before the mid-1990s). There are probably a lot of things that would be done differently, had the Teton Dam incident occurred today. Every disaster response group with which I have worked or trained wears some sort of uniform (if only a vest) that clearly identifies their group’s affiliation. As rpm pointed out: “The reason you wear your yellow vest [or some other sort of uniform that clearly identifies your group’s affiliation] in disaster relief is to give comfort to those you are helping that you are a safe person to let into their home. And so that others can know that you also belong with the groups that are taking the assignments from the same people. Of course residual positive exposure comes to the church, but that isn't the reason you wear them. It allows those in charge to watch after you, and those you serve to accept the service, and potential scammers to bypass where you are because of the risk of being caught for doing bad things by those in the vests.“ Have you, personally, had any disaster response training, whatsoever? Even a basic CERT class -- a standardized training class designed for volunteers with no previous training? (The class is free; you can probably get information on how to sign up for the class from your local fire station). Among other things, the CERT class teaches the importance of the concepts to which rpm alludes. Not letting “one hand know what the other hand is doing” is fine when donating money, but counterproductive and possibly even dangerous when it comes to disaster response. Indeed, one of the primary purposes of having a standardized “incident command system” for disaster response is to make sure that “one hand does know what the other hand is doing.” You said: “the church now desires to be recognized for their collective organized efforts when it serves to benefit them and frankly that offends me. Sorry but that is how I see it.” How could the Church’s “desires to be recognized for their collective organized efforts” possibly hurt anyone? On the other hand, impugning the motives of those who are willing to donate their time to help disaster victims -- over something as petty as a shirt-- is hurtful. And frankly, that offends me. Since I am a volunteer responder committed to other agencies, I probably will never respond to a disaster wearing the “Helping Hands” shirt. So, I really cannot speak for those that do. But in my experience, most volunteer responders do not seek personal recognition or even a “thank you” -- although an occasional simple “thank you“ would be appreciated. (As for those who do, so what? Such recognition costs society nothing.) On the other hand, many volunteer responders tend to be sensitive to petty criticism from “outsiders.” I have seen long time dedicated volunteers quit over such petty criticism. In one instance, I have even seen it destroy an entire volunteer responder group. And that is hurtful to the entire community. BTW, when I an deployed in the field, I would prefer to wear yellow (or another highly visible color) for personal safety reasons. Not to call attention to myself or my agency for self promotion purposes. Of course, the choice of “uniform” is not up to me.
  4. If memory serves, the church once owned a number of hospitals but gave them away in the 1970s (Utah Valley Hospital, Primary Children’s Hospital and several others). I believe that the Church also started what are now the University of Utah, Southern Utah State, and others (also given away). I wouldn’t be surprised if the Church started many of what are now public elementary and high schools. Do you think it would have been more charitable for the Church to have held on to these schools and hospitals rather than give them away?
  5. I thought that everybody knew that Mormon missionaries were actually CIA agents. How could helping our country’s spies gain entry into foreign countries be against our country’s interests?
  6. Couldn’t essentially the same be said of any other place the Church could have chosen to build this or an analogous project?
  7. Yes. The part where it forbids a city from selling city owned property to the highest bidder.
  8. The worst punishment is life in prison? That, no doubt, explains why very few on death row appeal their death sentences. It also explains why very few accused murderers accept plea bargains to avoid the death penalty. Oh, wait … The death penalty is extremely expensive? As compared to the price paid by murder victims and their families? Do you really believe that seeking justice should primarily be a matter of dollars and cents? BTW, isn’t most of the expense due to the constant appeals made by those on death row -- appeals that presumably they would not be making had they been given the “harsher” sentence of “life without parole?” US soldiers die in war, how is death by capital punishment different? Are you serious? Do you have any idea how deeply offensive this is to those whose loved ones have given their lives in defense of our country? The kindest thing I can say about your post is that it makes no sense at all.
  9. Hamlet would disagree.
  10. You might find such scenarios “almost impossible to imagine.“ But FEMA and the Naval Postgraduate School Center for Asymmetric Warfare do not. But what do they know? FEMA actually trains civilian first responders how to respond to chemical and biological attacks (some of this training includes exercises conducted in an environment of live nerve agents). A few years ago, the Center for Asymmetric Warfare conducted a functional exercise based on a scenario of terrorists detonating an “improvised nuclear device” (in this case, an Hiroshima-type bomb) in the Los Angeles area. Apparently, neither LA, nor Ventura counties found this scenario “almost impossible to imagine. Otherwise, they probably wouldn‘t have co-sponsored the exercise, nor would various county and city agencies from both counties have participated.
  11. Which explains why poor white Southerners refused to fight for the South. Oh wait … Ultimately, it was economics that solved the problem? That would have been news to the 650,000 who were killed during the Civil War and to the millions of soldiers who suffered permanent disabilities and lifelong chronic illnesses. If anything, economics is arguably the primary reason why the elimination of slavery was a “long time in coming” -- in particular, the great increase of productivity due to the invention of the cotton gin. As you point out, the US Constitution was “designed to be a secular document, as it appeals to no God or Sovereign for its authority.” A great pity that this secular document condoned slavery. Perhaps had it made such an appeal to God -- say, by including a few lines from the Declaration of Independence -- the elimination of slavery may not have been such a “long time in coming.” “All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among men…”) comes to mind.
  12. The fact that religion was used to defend (i.e., excuse) slavery does not mean that slavery was religiously motivated. It is not like the “Triangle Trade” was intended as a missionary outreach. On the other hand, I can’t think of a single anti-slavery group that was motivated primarily by secular considerations.
  13. Elder J. Golden Kimball once quipped that while others were called by revelation, he was called by “relation,” adding: “If I hadn’t been related to Heber C. Kimball, I wouldn’t have been a … thing in this church.” Other 19th century examples of apparent nepotism: Abraham O Woodruff, apostle (age 24) … died at 31 Hyrum M. Smith, apostle (age 29) … died at 44 Abraham H Cannon, apostle (age 30) … died at 37 John W. Taylor, apostle (age 25) … resigned at 46; died at 58 I can imagine the following scenario: “Son, good news: I pulled a few strings to get you into the 12.” “Gee… thanks … Dad. … But, all things considered, couldn’t you just get me sent on a mission to the Congo instead? Considering their recent malaria outbreak and their ongoing civil war, they probably could use all the help they can get.”
  14. Liberty and religion also lead to prosperity. BTW, isn’t the US constitution (which by your admission allowed slavery) essentially a secular document? And by your reasoning, wasn’t the US anti-slavery movement (which ultimately ended slavery) an “intrusion” of religion into government?