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  1. While I haven't looked all that much into it, the platform kialo does seem to have some advantages, especially with an asynchronous discussion. Not a whole lot with respect to Mormonism or the Church, but some examples: Topic: what is the best religion to believe and the link I put there follows the thread that leads to pros and cons for the Church Topic: does hell exist and again the link I put follows the LDS chain of thought other threads that exist include is the Book of Mormon authentic scripture or Where is the River Sidon. Anyway, it might be a supplement to mormondialogue (not a replacement) that might help some scratch an itch as it were.
  2. To the original question, are men being disenfranchised, consider this blog post: https://www.the-exponent.com/toxic-mormon-masculinity-series-pressure-to-provide/ The pressure to be a (sole) provider for one's family is now labeled by some as "toxic masculinity".
  3. That is quite correct. It was placed there merely for information as to whether or not one found the argument worthwhile. I personally found it a bit hyperbolic but that the main thrust was mostly on point. Merit does matter. It just doesn't matter as much as most people want to credit it for.
  4. Oh, the only path I propose is the gospel. And it is foolish and anti=gospel to think one's station in life is the sole function of merit. Even in sports there is a great deal of randomness as to whether one's merit is noticed so as to be put into public display where the merit can be noticed. And let's not even mention the possibility of accident which can put even the world's best athletes out of play. In summary, merit = good. Also merit != guarantee of worldly success. Also merit != reliable indicator of righteousness. But, I shan't repeat myself more on this vein of thought. The op is of more interest to me than Puritan heresies.
  5. Hmm, saw this article just now. https://www.fastcompany.com/40510522/meritocracy-doesnt-exist-and-believing-it-does-is-bad-for-you "In addition to [merit = success] being false, a growing body of research in psychology and neuroscience suggests that believing in meritocracy makes people more selfish, less self-critical, and even more prone to acting in discriminatory ways. Meritocracy is not only wrong; it’s bad." That isn't to say grit and hard work aren't important. But, extend that idea too far and it is a pernicious, even diabolical (al la Korihor) philosophy. Apply the idea to genders and it takes on a whole new flavor of falsehood.
  6. "Perhaps thou shalt say: The man [or God] has brought upon himself his misery ..." Mosiah 4:17 "For if ye are not equal in earthly things ye cannot be equal in obtaining heavenly things; " D&CC 78:6 That doesn't mean that your assertion that it advantages and disadvantages are part of God's plan is incorrect. But it does change how we are to respond to the inequities of mortal societies.
  7. Anecdotes abound in the failings of society with respect to the genders – for both men and women. And even if one is in the statistical minority of recipients of injustice, it serves no purpose to invalidate their experience with cries of but you have male privilege (or female privilege). Instead, what matters are solutions that improve society with the resulting fewer individual injustices. The principles taught by the Gospel of Jesus Christ will do that. Sadly, society is *not* taking that route. As latter-day saints how much more should we be wise and not caught up in the wave of rhetoric and hysterics that the Adversary uses to turn brother against sister, wife against husband, society against family. Sadly, in groups I watch from a distance this very thing happens all too frequently.
  8. The whole system of the Gadianton Robbers was one that was designed to favor the elect few. Some colleges are now having to actively recruit white males. Link is about UK, but some US colleges are starting to do the same. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/05/british-universities-reach-out-to-the-new-minority-poor-white-males/480642/ Unfortunately, the historical system of patriarchal favoritism isn't being repaired, but simply replaced with another injustice . https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/news/a9366/white-men-in-their-20s-the-most-hated-group-in-britain/ The Gospel is the solution, but it is not one that is being used by the world. This message has the stamp of approval of Korihor.
  9. Women are the majority of low-wage workers. But that isn't for a lack of willingness to work hard and sacrifice much. https://nwlc.org/blog/low-wage-workers-are-women-three-truths-and-a-few-misconceptions/ At present, women in the non-low wage sector do earn more than their male counterparts in the 20's. But, women are also more willing to take off time for childcare or refuse demanding promotions and generally sacrifice more for family. https://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/women-in-20s-earn-more-men-same-age-study-finds At the same time, places that have very strict in enforcing gender equitable pay scales sometimes do see a gap that favors men for some of the reasons you suggest. https://www.recode.net/2018/2/6/16979370/female-uber-drivers-get-paid-less Suffice it to say, it's not at all clear cut.
  10. Cute is having some visible indicator of the capability to easily kill someone? I suppose I learned that word differently.
  11. Lots of confusion; true that. Example: sociologists *still* don't know how to deal with the Nordic Gender Equity Paradox (when a society is more gender equitable, the genders more strongly differentiate along gender stereotype jobs/roles). Example citation (but lots of sources, and the results are fairly robust in consistency with replication): https://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equality-countries-stem-girls-3848156-Feb2018/
  12. Similar possible complications were cited when google did its pay equity analysis: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/technology/google-gender-pay-gap.html
  13. I have my ear to organizations with a more female perspective. I listen to organizations to those with a more male perspective. Both secular and religious. Things are downright messy and there are justifiable grievances on both sides. I could go on quite a bit on this but I shan't belabor the thread. What I can say, at a personal level, is that the Church is about the only place I can be where I feel that my masculinity is something not to be ashamed of and even valued.
  14. Thanks. The point of my original post wasn't to advocate a position but to simply point out female priesthood ordination would involve an evolving understanding of some practices and understanding of doctrines beyond just the superficial let's just ordain women to priesthood offices. For the record, I'm not personally opposed at all. Alas, but I do know that doing so would involve some changes the Lord has not seen fit to make known to me. So, here I sit luke warm good for nothing but to be spit out. 😐
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