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  1. Maidservant

    The Church Has Spoken on Immigration Policy

    The other part of the issue is not only the separation but the conditions the children are kept in.
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    What would you do? The trolley poblem

    Watch The Good Place on NBC. In Season Two they do the trolley problem. They even draw it into the mid season finale (so tender!), so I'm not going to do a spoiler here.
  3. My Mozilla Firefox suggests articles for me, and this one popped up today. I should also say that I absolutely love Longreads--I prefer the long article pulse on news and society rather than main stream news 3 minute segments. I'm sharing it here in the name of noting how the "Mormonism" conversation is taking place in a larger context. MEET THE NEW MORMONS I'm ambivalent about the article itself. I found it unsatisfying, but I'm still trying to put my finger on why. I think in part that there are unsupported statements, that assume much from a supposed already-agreeing audience. For example, she mentions twice about being people being called in to "discipline" for Facebook posts, but doesn't even give one example, much less showing an ongoing pattern. Again--maybe readers should already know and be up on that, but I'm not, and I really don't think all readers will be, especially if the audience is mainly non-Mormon, as would be the case for Longreads. Similarly there are statements like this: "But they [the Church] definitely don’t like everything that happens online. That’s why they excommunicated Kelly in 2014." Again--wow--a lot that could benefit from unpacking there even if the conclusion remains the same. She does not go through the Kelly case at all--just says only that. So, again--an expectation that the reader already is following the entire matter and has background. What I liked best about the article was her personal story and struggles (and her Mom's). I also can hardly disagree with the hope that there can be a greater atmosphere of talking about tough things without fear.
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    the gospel of change?

    I think one of the things that is amazing about the energy of Christ (power, gospel, person, paradigm, etc) is the capacity of CHRIST to walk far into the darkness, maintaining the light (CHRIST-ness) and not losing light in the darkness--and walking far into that darkness for the purpose of bringing up those souls bound in darkness, back 'out' to a more peaceful, lightful, free place. On the basis that those souls are precious a priori, and worth finding, rescuing, teaching, loving, etc. Obviously there is much love in the world that goes by other names (although I, myself, might also note them as being an aspect of CHRIST--my label preference): but as I've contemplated it for myself, thinking on Buddha, Allah/Muhammad, Judaism, and more, I do feel that each type of energy/paradigm has its place and gives its gift(s) and they can all work together for the blessing and raising of souls; but I think a planet devoid of CHRIST energy and ideas would be missing something very important, and that is the depth and height of possible transformation--from the lowest low to the highest high. And there are some times and places in our lives and on the planet where only CHRIST energy "will do"--i.e. has the power of deliverance.
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    Varying Valiantness of Plants and Animals?

    While I do think that plants and animals have intelligence, spirit, and progression--as we all do--I think it's tricky to say that a given situation here on earth corresponds one-to-one with some kind of reward or punishment from any previous living. Maybe the brightest and strongest have the toughest lives here because they are the only ones who could handle it. I'm sure that animals and plants have agency at their level. I also live with a cat who lets me know regularly that he is smarter and more holy than all of us in the family put together, ha ha ha. He says it nicely :).
  6. Thanks for contributing! It does give me a few more things to ponder on. I do consider Holy Ghost, Son, Father to be progressions (for everyone) rather than people (or only people). But I am also curious of what more I can learn of what Nephi thought of it (rather than merely relying on what I think of it); or, even better, the purpose and code of the Nephi story as it is crafted.
  7. I was reading chapter 6 of Nephi today. I try to read without assumptions or preconceived notions. (I try!) I read that Nephi's 'full intent' in writing was to persuade readers to 'come and be saved' by the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob. So without relying on connections and understanding I (think I) already have, and reading it as if this was the first time I ever read anything like that, I asked myself, 'Who or what is that God?' In fact--are they three Gods? The God of Abraham. The God of Isaac. The God of Jacob. As soon as I thought of three Gods, something did seep in (admittedly something previously or otherwise known), as I seemed to see that the God of Abraham is the Father; the God of Isaac is the Son; and the God of Jacob is the Holy Ghost. Not so much as that each individual man in history had that separate God, but that the template of each of these individuals might yield insights into the template of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Has anyone had any thoughts along these lines before or read anything elsewhere to speak to this possibility?
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    Different Degrees of Glory.

    It's funny because I actually stared myself in the face last night, in my journal, and was honest about some actual feelings I was having (not conclusions of doctrine yet, but not hiding the feelings anymore). But basically it is that I have no particular desire to spend eternity with any of my family members, either from childhood or now. Especially childhood. My children, I do, but they are all leaving me anyway; and we'll all be adults in eternity anyway. It's not like we are going to have dinner together every night in eternity. So even if we like each other, we're all still gone from each other. Eternity is pretty wide. I am not sealed to my biological father. Many of my siblings don't do the Church. But they are always going to be my family members. It's not like I'm going to forget about them. I also am much closer to some friends than to blood family. I'm just offering this so you know that many of us have struggles with this kind of thing for various reasons. I have come to many conclusions and found much beauty in what I contemplate for my future in this life and beyond it. I don't rely on a temple ceremony for it, though. Having said that, I do feel that my covenants, including sealings, are operating in real time to give me power to live in this life. I rely upon and draw upon that sealing power constantly. So I know what I experience on that level, even if I don't really have an explanation for everything yet in terms of eternity. I've thought this for a long time, and it's cool to see it from another mind (heart). I say it this way: My heaven includes all of you.
  9. Maidservant

    Dehlin Taking Things out of Context

    I can't speak to what Dehlin is saying (I didn't listen, and I never have); but I can attest that, as a 47 year old person raised in the gospel and having struggled with mental health issues most of my life, I absolutely thought that my problems were subject to prayer and repentance and faith and "get a better attitude"; and that there was not a way to speak about mental illness in the gospel, or at least in the culture which included the gospel. The fact that a much better conversation about mental health has arisen is a great blessing. But it wasn't always there. It was a crying relief when the Church (and the larger culture) did start talking about it and accepting it as a real illness instead of just a function of one's faithfulness; such as Elder Holland (I think?) in General Conference once. It wasn't that long ago--I was in my 30s maybe before it was talked about differently in the Church. And that whole time--except for gradual personal revelations--I didn't know I was sick. I just thought I was a bad, weak person.
  10. Maidservant

    Church Finances---official source

    I disagree that this is the only information I have. I can see, evidently, what is being done with the money. Like the sky is blue. I have not heard any news about inappropriate vacations, mistresses kept in fine style, Lamborghinis, etc etc etc. Not once.
  11. Maidservant

    Church Finances---official source

    Thanks, Jack. 😊 My only point was that the maps are different--different thought, emotion, belief structures. There is not a one to one correspondence that would allow us to bridge the discussion. Unless we really heard each other, and ain't nobody got time for that, ha ha ha. I wasn't trying to maintain that my map was better-just that it's mine and didn't resemble the framework you had suggested. Nevertheless, I don't mind dialoguing a bit on the matter.
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    Church Finances---official source

    Touche, ha ha. Well, we can talk about it all over the place with whatever terms we like. But I would rather not lose sight of the biblical, eternal principle as the starting place for this as to why it is happening at all. 😁
  13. Maidservant

    Church Finances---official source

    This is not the only way to frame this issue. This is not the way those of us who are fine with the way the Church currently handles finances think about the issue. We may argue upon and defend upon that issue when it is brought up; but it is not the main way we go about thinking about this. I think this is why we can't understand one another. Because one side is a champion of transparency and thus, it MUST be that the other side hates or does not value transparency. Total noobs. And the other side may say something like--I trust God completely and know that He is at the head of the Church including finances; and perhaps implying that the other side does not trust or love God. That's a little rude too, yes? Meaning that just because either side, for that matter anyone of any argument of any subject matter, frames an argument, does not mean that the other side is coming from the negative balance of that axis. There are often deep paradigm differences where we have a completely different map to cover the same ground. When I give my money, I am not giving to man or Church. I am giving to God. That is how I think of it. I like God. I love God. God's cool. I trust what God is doing. I can see evidence of what God is doing (temples, books, education, missionaries, etc). I've never once heard of anything that they have done wrong in my eyes. I can see why others might not like > too expensive temples; > extra stash; > too much paid to GAs; >shopping malls; etc; but I myself LOVE ALL OF THOSE ITEMS (beautiful temples for everyone; nest egg; thank you for taking care of your servants well; thank you for building up the community; etc). I would never ask my best friend, Hey what did you do with the money I gifted you? I would never ask God, Hey what did you do with the money that was yours that you gave me and I gave you a little bit back? It's okay if you don't see your relationship with God and tithing that way, but some of us really and truly do. It's not my money. It doesn't feel like my money. I know it's not my money. I don't need to know about money that's not mine. (Transparency is all well and good with one's own money, but ludicrous when it's about someone else's money.) It is not about transparency at all either way, for me. It can be for anyone who sees it that way (either side), but it's not the only way to frame, paradigm, talk about, think about it. If I thought the Church was truly misusing the funds (not merely held an honest disagreement about some details of priority), I wouldn't be a part of the Church at all. In addition, not necessarily to you, but to everyone--people keep saying "donate" in this thread. I am not! not! donating. I am paying tithing. Please do not reduce the deep, eternal principle I am choosing to live to "a donation". If you don't think it's a deep, eternal principle, that's cool. But do try to understand that my thinking, approach, and belief is on a completely other level than "donation". If you don't think tithing is really a thing, cool beans. But please understand that many of us that do choose to pay tithing are paying it under a paradigm that could not possibly be covered under the term "donating". The Church is not a non-profit (except as it interfaces with the world). The Church is the gathering of Israel and the priesthood organization headed by Jesus Christ. Again, we are not donating to a non-profit. We are paying tithing to the Lord (not even the Church!). I am not paying my tithing in order to support the Church. I pay my my tithing as part of, an expression of, a sign of, my covenant(s) with Jesus Christ. Not as an exchange for a reward; but as faith and joy. No one has to buy that if they don't want to, if they think it's snake oil, but please understand there is a different set of thinking going on here where some sincerely understand tithing as a principle, not simply a willingness to give money to a nice cause. You may not understand why we can't see that it's snake oil; but we can't understand why you can't see the marvelous power in living tithing. Just not the same map. Nothing much. They keep their money and enjoy life. The principle of tithing is for the present.
  14. Maidservant

    Scripture Rescue, what to do?

    I just did a huge burning a few months ago of all the old scriptures (that were falling apart) that we had accumulated over the years on my bookshelf.
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    Church Finances---official source

    Honestly, this is hard to answer for me, because I feel no emotional charge whatsoever when these various amounts are listed. I don't think too much money is too much money in any situation in life (not only churches), so I have a different view of money, period, than most people I guess. I mean, we could go deep as to why anything costs anything--I mean, why do the marble makers (miners?) charge so dang much? But marble it is--so pay what is fair for THAT. Why go with linoleum? Why do we in our culture think that we should pay less as a virtue? Why isn't paying more a virtue? I mean, I had to learn that coming from my childhood. Instead of paying less and getting a bargain and feeling proud of myself--I figured out I should be ashamed. Rather, I should pay full price or more, since people--artisans--were putting their all into what they make and likely supporting a family. I think the kind of questions we ask determine the answer we get. I'm not sure what the questions should be, but I'm pretty sure--for me anyway--it's not the mathematical difference between 1 billion and 100 million. That's a function of the economy we live in for quality items. The question for me is what the lesson is for me as I enter the temple and am surrounded by the best and built by the best practices--what does that say about me as a child of God and what has been provided for me there in the temple. A temple that is my Father's house and that as a daughter I am free to enter and spend as much time there as I wish. The temple was built for me. And the temples (smaller ones) are being taken around the earth to bless everyone. It's not an investment without any return. The return is what happens for families and communities that are centered around the temple and its principles and covenants. If we don't believe that, then spending a penny is too much, because what is the point. If we do believe that, spending a gazillion is not too much. Anyway, I hear you but really I don't have a value in my mind about 'too much money'; I'm much more fluid about things like that, and I find that fluidity more peaceful for me. Well, either it's the Lord's money and the Lord's work; or it isn't. If it is--it is to be trusted. If it isn't--it shouldn't be being done at all, and gradations of it matter little. If there is a lot of money being sat on--that makes me comfortable, actually. Because I trust that that likely will have a use that will be distributed in the right time and place--not individual cut checks of course, but for the entire church and world community.
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