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  1. Temple wedding policies

    I have not read all of the posts. This may have already been addressed. If any of my children joined a religion that forbade me from witnessing their wedding ceremony (unless I too converted to that religion), it would deeply hurt and probably anger me. It would not make me more likely to seriously consider converting to that religion and probably less likely to do so. I am not aware of any other religion that forbids nonadherents from witnessing a wedding ceremony, nor that penalizes with a waiting period those who choose to marry civilly first. Are there some examples of that?
  2. Office of teacher

    This article from BYU Studies gives some fascinating history of the office in the restored church, how in early days teachers were akin to "spiritual policemen for the church". And how teachers were primarily responsible for what has become home teaching, and over time that duty became a duty of elders as "acting teachers". Interesting things. Ordained and Acting Teachers in the Lesser Priesthood, 1851-1883
  3. I don't think the Church will leave the BSA as long as President Monson is alive. After he passes away, I think all bets are off, regardless of the position of BSA on lgbt issues. I think there is sentiment in the Church and among some of the Brethren that while scouting is a good program, it may not meet the needs of LDS male youth in the U.S.A. And that it may not make sense for the Church to sponsor scouts in the US and Canada for boys when it doesn't in other countries. I would note that the Brethren may (or may not) be a little more accepting of transgender individuals than in the past http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/02/13/mormons_and_transgender_elder_dallin_h_oaks_says_the_lds_church_is_open.html . Also, Scouts Canada has accepted transgender scouts for a while, and the Church has not pulled out of Scouts Canada. http://www.dailyxtra.com/canada/news-and-ideas/news/canadian-scouting-groups-welcome-trans-youth-51449
  4. Canadaigua, I am embarrassed to say that I did not know that there was another Abrahamic religion that believed in a formal theological way in the continuation of marriage after death. I did a quick google check, and saw a number of cites that confirm that there is such a belief within Islam. Do you know of any articles or books that compare or contrast the LDS vision or version of eternal marriage in comparison to that of Islam? also, do you think that belief in eternal marriage necessarily requires a belief in plural marriage of some sort in heaven or on earth? Is that why Mormons and Muslims not only believe in marriage in heaven but in plural marriage (either on earth (for at least a time) or in heaven)?
  5. Hildale Floods

    Has the LDS Church been involved in helping and extending relief regarding the flooding, deaths and damage in the polygamous home base city of Hildale?
  6. Tea And The Word Of Wisdom

    For what it is worth, 40 years ago as a missionary in southeastern Mexico, we were instructed to tell investigators and members that the "tea" prohibited by the word of wisdom was "te negro de China"--"black tea from China". Thus, at least in our mission, green and white teas (if they existed and were sold there) were not viewed as covered by the word of wisdom. How is the "tea" prohibited by the word of wisdom currently defined by missionaries in spanish speaking countries (I am asking others who have served spanish speaking missions). Of course, our mission leaders might have been off base.
  7. I am kind of surprised people are expressing an opinion on what the Church should do. That should be up to the Brethren, as inspired by God. Oh wait. This is the internet. The only kinds of opinions that are heretical are those that are "liberal", and the opinions here, advising the Brethren what to do, are "conservative"
  8. I haven't read the most of the comments. According to one study, more than 60% of those raised as Latter-day Saints take a "sabbatical"--become inactive--for at least one year. A majority of those cease believing, as well as attending. Yet, a majority of those who take a sabbatical, or become inactive and even lose belief, eventually return. So that about 70% of those born and raised LDS die as Latter-day Saints. That is a higher retention rate than any other religion, except the Amish (who have about a 90% retention rate). Of course, most LDS who drop out do not necessarily do it with the intent of returning, or of just taking a break. Many drop out with the intent of never returning (but do anyway). Who am I to judge the reasons why some distance themselves for a time. I simply rejoice that they return. And if they are reinvigorated, so much the better. And if a person decides to drop out for a time--like a temporary separation in a marriage--to reevaluate their feelings about the church, who am I to tell them they are wrong. That is between them and their Maker.
  9. ScoutsCanada has allowed lgbt scouts and leaders for many years. And the Church continues to be a sponsor of troops in ScoutsCanada. I don't see things playing any differently in the U.S. The only case I can think of when someone tried to get the BSA to force changes in the LDS church was when, under the priesthood correlation program, the Church started to insist that the deacons quorum president must be the senior patrol leaders. Since those of black African descent were not eligible for priesthood ordination in the Church at the time, a law suit was brought that the policy effectively excluded blacks from serving in scout leadership in LDS troop. The Church quickly changed its policy and the suit was dropped. http://www.aaregistry.org/historic_events/view/racism-boy-scouts-lds-utah I suppose the LDS church could have chosen to drop out of the BSA in order to preserve its prerogative to select troop leaders in a way that discriminated based on race, but it chose not to do so (perhaps because the then president of the church was already praying and meditating about whether God wanted the Church to eliminated the discriminatory priesthood and temple exclusion).
  10. I attended a conference on the social science of religion a couple of years ago where it was confirm that numbers like these reflect self-identified members of religions. A big change over the last few decades is that people who in the past would have self-identified as a nonattending Protestant (or Catholic or Mormon) today simply identify as not part of the particular faith at all. That is, the former of group of "Jack Mormons" is becoming smaller and smaller. Yesterday's Jack Mormons nowadays don't self-identify as Mormon at all. Rick Phillips did a fascinating presentation on this last fall--noting that the dramatic drop in self-identified Mormons in Utah doesn't reflect more people leaving the Church activity or belief, it just represents a change in self-identification. (Outside of Utah there has not been a sharp drop in self-identified Mormons, but in Utah there has been. He hypothesizes this is because the social cost within Utah of ceasing to self-identify as Mormon is declined greatly over the last couple of decades.)
  11. Avream Gileadi's Excommunication

    Elder Jeppsen apparently was pretty involved in the excommunication, and his daughter discusses it at http://mormonstories.org/christine-jeppsen-clark-daughter-of-general-authority-malcolm-jeppsen/
  12. When I hear the claim that disciplinary councils are loving, kind, supportive, the claim is usually from the one of the people presiding. I have served in positions where I engaged frequently with people who had been the subject of such councils. While many of those individuals said the members of the council were loving, they said that the experience itself often was traumatic, brutal and humiliating. Many felt so discouraged afterwards that they made no attempt to return. After a period of time, most lost contact with the disciplining individuals--not be virtue of refusing contact, but because the disciplining person may have been released or one or the other moved. Disciplinary councils can also be traumatic for the innocent--the spouse or children of the person involved. In my mind, for LDS--where disciplinary councils represent God in terms of the potential to revoke (at least temporarily) God's promises/ordinances/covenants--the councils and sanctions are more akin to jail than merely to merely a change in status. BTW, I have served as a bishop, and sat on many disciplinary councils at the stake and ward levels. I certainly tried as hard as I could to be loving and supportive and seek God's spirit and inspiration. I cannot say for sure how they were received by the people who were the subjects. I know some have returned. After I was released as bishop, I periodically would hear from the individuals or their subsequent bishops good news. In one case, the party's spouse joined the church and they were sealed. Not long before I was called as bishop, I attended a training meeting with Thomas S. Monson and Bruce R. McConkie. Elder McConkie spoke about disiplinary councils (they were called courts in those days). He said the objective of a bishop should be to put our arms around the shoulders of the sinner and help them get back onto the right path. This was true of sexual sin as well as any other. He said, "If you can do that by disfellowshipping rather than excommunicating, then disfellowship. If you can do that by putting on probation rather that disfellowshipping, then put on probation. If you can do it without probation, then do so without probation." The principle he taught was to use the least restrictive or least harsh sanction that would help. I kept that in mind as a bishop. I also kept in mind the passages in the Book of Mormon that those whose names were erased from the rolls of the church were those who did not repent. As I read that, it meant that as a general matter, if a person were genuinely penitent and making the necessary changes in his/her life, excommunication might not be warranted or desirable.
  13. Given that the Church now teaches that men and women are equal partners in marriage--neither one must defer to the other in making decisions but must both freely consent to each decision, I believe that God and His Wife are also equal partners.
  14. The current policy in church government that sexual sins are to be confessed to bishops is not directed by scriptures, but developed over time. At one point, confessions were to be made public, and at another they were to be made to Aaronic Priesthood teachers or to bishops. Ed Kimball's article sets out the history of LDS practices and policies regarding confession. https://byustudies.byu.edu/showtitle.aspx?title=6400
  15. I don't "know" whether the exodus really happened, or Jesus really existed, or that Joseph Smith really received revelations from God or if Job's experience is historical or if the prodigal son was historical. But I can live my life as if those things happened. And that is what I try to do. I do not know how one could prove any of those things conclusively true or false.
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