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  1. Too bad he didn’t feel inspired to get the baptism prayer correct.
  2. I see, you believe Joseph taught one thing and did another, the very definition of hypocrisy and lying. By doing so you hold Joseph in derision. (D&C 122)
  3. Joseph excommunicated those he knew to be practicing plural marriage. Those who were practicing it knew he did not approve of it so they practiced in secret.
  4. Were Brigham Young or any who followed him ever vouched for personally by our Lord? I believe the scripture in the Doctrine and Covenants 21:4 wherein the Lord, speaking of Joseph Smith said, “…thou shalt give aheed unto all his words and bcommandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all choliness before me” and in D&C 28:3 “And thou shalt be obedient unto the things which I shall give unto him, even as aAaron, to bdeclare faithfully the commandments and the revelations, with power and cauthority unto the church.”
  5. MARRIAGE. v. 4 "Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication, and polygamy; we declare that we believe that one man should have one wife; and one woman, but one husband, except in the case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again." 1835 Doctrine and Covenants, C1, p. 251 (1835) "...What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one." (Joseph Smith) Joseph Smith refers people to extract from Doctrine and Covenants on Marriage which disavows polygamy, stating that this is "the only rule allowed by the church." Times and Seasons, vol. 3, p. 909 (1842). See bottom half of left-hand column. Joseph Smith repeats again statement from Doctrine and Covenants on Marriage to deny all allegations of polygamy being practice. Times and Seasons, vol. 3, p. 939 (1842) Joseph and Hyrum Smith announce the excommunication of Hiram Brown, a member of the Church, for "preaching Polygamy, and other false and corrupt doctrines, in the county of Lapeer, state of Michigan." Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 423 (1844) Hyrum Smith, with full knowledge and consent of his brother Joseph, publishes statement categorically denying any teaching of plural wives or polygamy, and that all such teaching is false doctrine. “… some of your elders say, that a man having a certain priesthood, may has as many wives as he pleases, and that doctrine is taught here: I say unto you that that man teaches false doctrine, for there is no such doctrine taught here; neither is there any such thing practiced here.” Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 474 (March, 1844) Statement denouncing teaching of plural wives as fiendish. States that the spiritual wife system merely allows a man to be married to another wife for time and eternity if his first wife dies. Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 715 (1844) See bottom half of right column A. "...What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers." (History of the Church, vol 6, p. 411) Joseph Smith made this statement preaching from the stand to the Latter-day Saints in Nauvoo on Sunday May 26, 1844.
  6. The problem with allowing yourself to “convict” Joseph of practicing plural marriage is that by doing so you must necessarily call both Joseph and Emma hypocrites and liars because they both denied plural marriage until their dying day. Joseph preached against plural marriage and excommunicated those found to be practicing it. I am just trying to gently persuade folks to take another look at this. I’m pretty sure believing Joseph and Emma were liars and hypocrites is to have them in derision. I chose not to do that.
  7. The Jews had the same problem with our Lord or with John the Baptist. When we run up against a message that doesn’t fit within in our accepted paradigm, cognitive dissonance sets in and we don’t allow ourselves to objectively evaluate the message. Why should our test be any less difficult than that of the Jews. We, like them, think that a true message can not come from anywhere but from within our currently accepted belief structure.
  8. It is very unfortunate that most judge an argument on the bona fides of the author and not the content of the message. You would be better served to read the message and not dismiss it because of the name of the messenger.
  9. Oh quite contraire, Joseph Smith did not ever teach plural marriage. To the contrary, he and his brother were continuously preaching against it and excommunicating those who were involved in it right up until his martyrdom. The evidence cited by historians is all non-contemporary accounts given by many women who have now been shown to be liars who claimed to have had children by Joseph but who did not. Here is another link to a paper which debunks what you claim has been debunked. Plural Marriage
  10. Considering the recent thread on "Modern Polygamy Timeline & Purpose - not sure I follow... I thought it relevant to provide a link to an alternative view. There is considerable evidence to support Joseph Smith not participating in or teaching plural marriage. I have provided a link documenting that evidence... http://anonymousbishop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/JosephSmithsMonogamy1.pdf JosephSmithsMonogamy1.pdf
  11. And they shall contend one with another; and their priests shall contend one with another, and they shall teach with their learning, and deny the Holy Ghost, which giveth utterance.
  12. In a 2003 Ensign article, then Elder Nelson characterized God's love as conditional. How can God’s love be infinite if it is bounded or limited by conditions? How can God’s love be enduring if it cannot endure sin or disobedience? How can it be universal if it excludes those you don’t approve of? How can it be perfect if it is less reliable than the love of good children for abusive parents or that of good parents for errant children? I don't believe God's love for us changes based upon our behavior. I certainly hope President Nelson's view on that topic has changed since then. Here is a link to the article. 2003 Ensign Article "Divine Love"
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