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  1. Good catch, I'm typing too fast. What Oaks did say: "All can choose obedience to seek His highest blessings, or make choices that lead to one of the less glorious kingdoms." Again, this is not difficult for those of us who are a little older. We're used to nuance.
  2. I agree with Rockpond. Every child is different, and parents know what is best for their kids (as the church has repeatedly pointed out). I would have been very upset with Oaks’ talk if it had occurred a few years ago when my kids were a bit younger. Among our friends and neighbors are two men who are legally married to each other and who are raising children. It would have been inappropriate for my kids, at 8 or 9 years old, to hear a prophet, seer, and revelator say that our friends were unworthy…... though they should be loved anyway…... This was not a message for kids. My kids ALREADY love our friends. Oaks' message was far more applicable to adults (who are often quite ugly to people they judge as sinners). Furthermore, the message of “love-the-sinners-but-know-they-are-unworthy” is very easily reduced in a child’s mind to “the-sinners-are-unworthy.” Entirely inappropriate for young kids. There is absolutely no way I would have wanted President Oaks giving this talk to my children when they were a few years younger than they are now.
  3. We tried Sunday clothes once. We've worn comfortable weekend clothing ever since.
  4. We had an experience that was quite surprising at the time, though we laugh about it now. First, some background: the chapel of the DC Temple is not on the same floor as the ordinance rooms, so the chapel is always empty and crowds can form around the ordinance rooms. One Saturday my husband and I arrived at the temple at 10am. Bad idea (we were young and inexperienced). Conversations were very loud and distracting (e.g., conversations about the worst professor at BYU, the latest football game, I forget what else). We still had at least 45 minutes to wait but had come with a purpose and were getting bogged down by the situation, so my husband went down to the chapel and brought back a Book of Mormon for us to read. Within thirty seconds an ordinance worker came over to berate us saying, "Book of Mormons do NOT belong on this floor of the temple!" She was quite loud, though of course she had to be with all the noise. We were horrified. We were told to remove the Book of Mormon immediately and bring it down to its rightful place in the chapel. We tried reasoning with her (reverently, of course) for a moment, saying that we of course intended to replace the book in the chapel before our session, but it was a lost cause. My husband dutifully brought the book back down to the chapel and then came up to wait for our session. I hate to say that we had completely lost the spirit at that point. We have gone on weekdays ever since. Incidentally, quite a few Bibles and Books of Mormon now "belong" in that section of the temple (or used to, before the renovations began). They arrived about a month after our experience. Someone must have seen what happened and made a comment.
  5. I responded as three wards, but we also have a foreign language branch in our building as well. The branch meets separately for Sacrament Meeting but joins one of the other wards for activities.
  6. covered in ants (trying again 🙂)
  7. You are all much better than I am about cleaning the church building! I must admit to being irritated EVERY SINGLE TIME our family has been tasked with the duty these last eight years. Of course I do a good job of rationalizing my response because during that time I’ve had a constant string of church callings that required 10-25 hours per week and my husband’s callings were similar. (We both work and have young children as well, so cleaning the building was never a welcome addition.) Your thoughts have been helpful in putting things in perspective. I’ll try to keep them in mind the next time our family is scheduled.
  8. Thought I'd pop in quickly to say that I have appreciated your comments and agree. You are definitely not alone in this. My conclusions came more slowly than yours did, but the outcome was the same. And yes, I am also a regularly-attending, tithe-paying member who holds tons of callings and devotes a lot of time to the faith. This issue is concerning to many people, not just those who were already distancing themselves from the church.
  9. I think someone is trying: https://reignmovie.com/
  10. Some of my early work was in HR and I am shocked to hear that employers would ask for a potential employee's facebook password, particularly after the interview but before extending a job offer. Employers cannot discriminate against any member of a protected class (race/religion/age/disability/sexual orientation in some places/etc), and social media is FILLED with information that could link potential employees to any of those categories. What if a potential employee has a disability that was not apparent in the interview, but the disability was obvious on the facebook page? And what if that potential employee wasn't hired, and another candidate who appeared to have similar qualifications (or less) was hired instead? That employer opened the door to a discrimination case.
  11. Still remember where I was when I heard this the first time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SZsxTBCzoA&list=RD2SZsxTBCzoA&index=1
  12. I suspect there are very few (self-reflective) people who would claim anything other than to “have some pretty substantial gaps and/or flaws in their understanding.” Which is one of the reasons I like the doctrine-principle-applications framework from Bednar that you’ve shared with us. Reasonable, conscientious, and faithful people can disagree about what belongs in the “doctrine” category, vs items that may be strongly-held and/or historically-enmeshed principles.
  13. I appreciate the discussion here, and the respect everyone shows one another – particularly on LBGTQ matters. These topics trouble me greatly, as my personal views on these issues differ from the views of my church.
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