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  1. This is from Lesson 4 (Religion 250 manual). "This first temporal creation of all things … was paradisiacal in nature. In the primeval and Edenic day all forms of life lived in a higher and different state than now prevails. The coming fall would take them downward and forward and onward. Death and procreation had yet to enter the world" (Bruce R. McConkie, "Christ and the Creation," Ensign, June 1982, 9). Not even the animals could obey God's commandment to be fruitful and multiply? Thanks Tony
  2. I had a question about this part. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bc/content/ldsorg/manual/institute/jesus-christ-and-the-everlasting-gospel-teacher-manual_eng-new.pdf This is from Lesson 3. God himself, finding he was in the midst of spirits and glory, because he was more intelligent, saw proper to institute laws whereby the rest could have a privilege to advance like himself. The relationship we have with God places us in a situation to advance in knowledge. He has power to institute laws to instruct the weaker intelligences, that they may be exalted with himself (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith [2007], 210). Is this God a reference to the Father or the Son? Did this God create laws himself whereby spirits could progress towards exaltation or did he just learn from experience and institute the same ones that were already in place before he was born and which, if obeyed, would give him the opportunity to become a God? Thanks Tony
  3. The manual I saw said it was intelligence which ranked him as a God before the Atonement.
  4. So everyone in the pre-mortal life could say "I am God"? In our mortal life, can we also presently say "I am God" because we are (as taught by some) the same kind of being that our Father in heaven is?
  5. So at the council all the spirit children were already Gods?
  6. I started reading the "Jesus Christ and the Everlasting Gospel Teachers Manual". In Lesson 2, on page 7, it states To further emphasize these truths, display and read aloud the following statement by Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles: "[Jesus Christ] was apparently the only one sufficiently humble and willing in the premortal council to be foreordained to [bring about the infinite Atonement]" ("The Atonement of Jesus Christ," Ensign, Mar. 2008, 35). At the first organization in heaven we were all present and saw the Savior chosen and appointed and the plan of salvation made, and we sanctioned it (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph Smith [2007], 209). It then poses a question but leaves it up for discussion. What do you think you knew about Jehovah that would have led you to sustain His call and appointment as our Savior and Redeemer? Do you think the spirits knew Jesus was a God or did this council occur at a time when Jesus had not yet become a God? Thanks Tony
  7. It seems that brightness does not refer to some intensity of light in relation to earth but some degree of magnitude when compared to something as a standard. Similar to a teaching i read that Jesus was ranked as (became) a God in the premortal existence when he reached a pinnacle of intelligence. The glory of God is intelligence as you said. The brightness of his body did not (?) change but more likely he just reached some level of magnitude for his intelligence and then he was designated to be a God (where he was not a God beforehand). Kind of like people becoming graduates only after graduating. As for the moon, there are times that it almost appears invisible and yet a distant star is giving more light (the moon actually doesn't produce any light but only reflects it). The stars for that matter give us a tremendous amount of light. If brightness is a standard, then the moon only reflects but does not produce brightness.
  8. While I am not a member of this church, I understand where you are coming from. Part of sustaining those in leadership is agreeing that what they are teaching us is the truth. If one cannot accept their words as truth, then either the hearer is wrong in their assessment or the teacher must be corrected.
  9. From what I have seen on the church's website, it says that everyone on earth is a spirit son or daughter born of heavenly parents in some premortal life. I am not sure if anything has been revealed about the next question but was one's sexuality determined when he was born to heavenly parents or earthly parents?
  10. Do you believe same-sex marriage is God's will or is it against God's will?
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