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Bill “Papa” Lee

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  1. So it was Samuel who did under the conditions, or circumstances listed.
  2. You are allowed your own, but not others. If a person has been convicted of crimes against children, then yes it can interfere with a calling like being a Bishop, or Young Men’s President. Beyond that, a divorce can keep someone from being called to Seal Couples in the Temple, or so I have been told.
  3. Yes, for those of us who live in “Hotlanta”, Georgia for those who don’t know. We have had two days in mid June with low humidity, and temps ranging from the 50’s in the morning, and 70’s for the days. I don’t think I have ever known of such a thing in my 62 years. So, for those of us here in the the sub-tropics, it must be a “sign of the times”. 😎
  4. I guess that is great, I fear what might happen if we send missionaries there. I know there are LDS Families living there in the military and working for oil companies.
  5. Was it another Smith brother? Or were there no other deaths in Nauvoo? Well, you know.
  6. If memory serves, Joseph, Hyrum and William all died as a result of the murders at Carthage jail. William ran almost all the way back to Nauvoo, got sick and died just 20 days later. Lucy Mack Smith, had to bury three sons in a month. Of course Joseph and Hyrum had to be buried where mobs could not dig them up, before being moved the where they rest now.
  7. I think that individuals who use positions of authority or trust, should have even worse sentences handed down, when they do these horrible things. Especially anything of a sexual nature to a child. I read about this story, he should have gotten the max time in prison for each change. If there is one code of conduct that is not condoned in prison, it is sex crimes against children, as so many in prison had it happen to them. So, here in hoping those months he will spend in jail, are not pleasant.
  8. My youngest daughter, is often very angry with the Church. She is as most here know Gay, and has serious issues with the Church. But, she will not do as others tell her she should do, and resign her membership. When she is sick, or frightened, and as angry as she gets at me at times, she will ask for a blessing, something her wife does not understand. When her wife’s Mother was dying, she asked me to come to the hospital and give her Mother-in-law a blessing of comfort to know what to do. Her family wanted her to continue her fight against cancer, but she did not want too. In reality, my daughter wanted all the family there to hear the blessing, and by so doing respect her dying wish, and it worked. Very often her wife and friends, tell her she should not have contact with her family, and me above all as they see the very embodiment of the Church. Now, why do I say this? Often people who are active in the Church, see inactivity as leaving. We even have members of the board who have left the Church, in every way, and have returned, re-baptized, reconfirmed, and Temple blessings restored. My daughter-in-law’s Father did the same, sadly he died in a horrible accident, after having returned, and had all these blessings restored that I listed. What makes this, both wonderful and terrible, is that he died just two months before “our” granddaughter arrived, something he was so looking forward too, but he had his family sealed to him again a few months before his death. So, both his daughter, and my daughter-in-law, and that granddaughter, along with even more (as he had five children), will be his in the eternities. I am a firm believer in this, and my faith, that a loving God allows has his eye upon us all, something I think we too often forget. If we are, are were believers, and if those who remain continue to pray in faith, he “our Father”, will do all he can to restore those we love. But, if we act in anger, or recoil at family gatherings, Sunday dinners, or just the day to day encounters with them, we will only drive them further away. Thus making the work of God more difficult, and bringing judgement upon our own heads.
  9. My experience is that with more age, comes more wisdom. That wisdom helps others to see that only the individual is responsible for their actions. Not the Church, and certainly not Jesus Christ, nor is Satan able to force anyone to commit evil, he can only plant the idea, or give rise to the temptation. The same goes for Jesus Christ, as he will force no man or woman to heaven, nor can force them to be, or do good.
  10. If Joseph had no Book of Mormon, without which he could not claim to be a Prophet, which led to the Doctrine and Covenants, that gives us our foundation. Without that foundation, and his many visions, the restoration of the Priesthood, then no need for new Apostles. Then he would have been nothing more that a new minister, a very young minister who few would listen, saying he understands the truth of the Bible. This would mean no converts from other lands, the gathering of the Saints, no identity as ”God’s, Prophets, Apostles, or chosen people”. It would just be one of many Churches, or movements, and likely a small Church in New York, that almost no one ever heard even knew existed. For an example, just about 200 miles north of me is a place called, “Field of the Woods”, it was a Church founded on many of our beliefs, and they barely have 1,000 members, and a tiny little Church, as most are just family members of the original members, who don’t attend. You can look it up on the internet, under “Field of the Woods”. I have been there many times in my youth, because their is a massive hill with the Ten Commandments in stone. Of course our Church took us there, but told us not to believe the tenants written on large marble stones, about their beliefs. Also without the Book of Mormon, we would be that tiny Church. We also would not be debating on this forum, most of those here would not even have the same parents, the same husbands and wives, the same friends, and most who are members would still be lifing in other countries, members of other Churches, or none at all. So, it is the “Keystone of our Religion”, and as we are taught without it, our Faith will fail. In fact, if I were to learn or believe the Book of Mormon is not the Word of God, I would indeed be devastated. But, I would also stop posting here, and be looking for another Church the following Sunday, or just no longer believe in the God I have come to know. Anyway, my take on it.
  11. Not under New Testament standards, as Paul taught (to paraphrase), “the Old Testament was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ”. So yes, in the OT, many things were cited as reasons to kill, which makes one wonder, what was God’s law, and Man’s law”, that creeped into the OT? But, now we live under the” New Covenant”, and the law of the land, or the Western laws of the land. But sadly, in much of the Eastern world, due to the Koran, or those who use it as law, many are killed for many reasons. Which is why this person felt as if he had the right to kill these people, or felt he needed too. Or so I have read.
  12. I would hope any changes in openly showing compassion for those who struggle with “same sex attraction”, comes from God, and not from mortal influences. Having said that, any and all good wives can and do give needed direction when it relates to manners, and edict (hope that is correct spelling) , as we men often need our rough edges made smoth. Women are by far more attuned to proper public and private behavior, or at least those I know.
  13. No surprise, because no matter the lifestyle, murder is the greatest sin, and no one deserves to be murdered, and no one is justified in murdering anyone for any reason. So any of our Prophets should and would show compassion, least they have no compassion showed to them on the day of judgement.
  14. I usually give condolences if called to a Bishopric, having served there. But, all Church callings, are calling to servitude, not power over others.
  15. This is a big problem for me, the ringing in my ears is caused by so many issues. Of course working around helicopters in the Army while the blades ar running at max RPM, witch btw is 6,600 RPM, can and does cause hearing problems. Of course the Army and the Marine Core provides ear protection, but young macho Army or Marines, usually just ware them around their necks, instead of over their ears. Because when you are young, you think you are also invincible, only to learn later that you are just “human”. Then for a time, I worked heavy construction, before and after the Army, where I was also provided with ear protection, that we never used. Thankfully now days, and employer can get big fines it employees do not use their ear protection, and lose their jobs. Then I move on to 23 years in law-enforcement, where cars sirens, (hope I spelled that correctly, never thought of how it is spelled before today), gun-fire, both on the job, and at the range. This on the job, and private ranges, so you can insure you will pass, and to insure your safety, should the need arise.just an honest miss, when shooting at the criminal, could hit a bystander, or someone’s home, while someone is watching TV, or or sleeping.when things jump of like that, there is no time for ear-protection.
  16. I know the sign for letting people who make jokes about is, but that may not be appropriate for a Church setting. 😋
  17. No worries, but I have looked into hearing aids, and good ones cost a serious amount of money for someone of a fixed income. My left ear has a very large canal, due to surgery to remove infection in the bone surrounding it. As a result, only a special made hearing aid will work, which means much more. The rest of my hearing problems are due to lifelong ear infections, just like my Mother had, as well as my children, and now my grandchildren. Anyway, I have had my eardrums rupture so, so, many times. I often have problems when flying, but the joy of travel is worth the aggravation. While I served on helicopters in the Army, for many wonderful years, it was not a problem as helicopters (at least in the 70’s and 80’s) did not fly high enough to need pressurization. Of course deployments, were a minor problem, but I was determined to suck it up, and not tell the flight surgeons, Because I loved serving, and the wonderful things I was able to see and experience. It was a great life, and serving aboard UH-1 helicopters, both standard duty, and medivac, was the greatest job and experience I ever knew!
  18. I know it is your world, which is why I sought you out by name. Also, thank you for your reply, as in this forum through the written word, we can always hear one another, and God bless.
  19. I fear it will hurt other’s feelings, and be received in a negative light. I know I have had jobs all my life, jobs that bring out (and require) the “Alpha-male” within me. But, I also have a side in me that would never seek to cause harm to another, even to those who harm me. I am, when needed the warrior, but in my soul, is alway the poet. Also, I hope the “Saint” I encouraged to be, comes out according to God’s command. I already try to insure I am sitting on the left of my teachers, so my right ear is the one he speaks into. This because the left ear is all but gone entirely. I understand your suggestion and solution, I just fear hurting someone’s feeling. That being said, maybe your advice, is sound (no pun intended) advice. I will begin with the Bishop, and see what he suggests. I know that those who are completely deaf, usually carry preprinted cards to hand out to the hearing. One problem with those who are hearing impaired, is they can hear some things people say, but often miss certain letters, and the sound they make in words. The other day, my daughter-in-law was asking where her “keys” were, and I kept asking why she kept saying, why she was saying “please”. So this led me to ask each time, because (again) I kept hearing “please”. Even then she was getting frustrated, and raising her voice, much louder than needed, to make a point. Even other family members do this when frustrated, of course no laughing or jokes, but to express their frustration. Of course, never with my daughters, or daughter-in-laws, whom I consider my daughters, I don’t get angry and raise my voice. But when my sons do it, as they know better, their Father (me) pits them in their place, and reminds them to whom they are speaking.
  20. I have a serious hearing problem, one that often leads to isolation. Even in Church, I have friends who make light of it, speaking more loudly than needed. Not only in attempt to insure I hear them, but laughing and making jokes about it. As a result, I find myself avoiding social events, even at Church sociaI events. I mentioned “Jeanna” in my thread title, as I know she suffers even more with this issue. Also, I know in this forum she can hear me loud and clear. I say, or write all of this, hoping my memory serves. How do I find a way to explain this friends, family (extended) and my brethren. I say brethren, as our dear Sisters would never do this. My wife who loves me very much, would maybe go to far to protect her husband. It is human nature to get more angry when those we love are hurt, and react more upset. I pray, nor post in error, I trust most everyone to give sage advice. As I trust that those who respond, will give me the respect I have come to know and respect. Therefore I look forward to the dialogue. Thank you all in advance, Papa
  21. Increasing font size in bold print is tantamount to yelling. Why did you take my first reply so personally, and why do you continue to do so. We are after all, brothers in the Gospel. Right now that, “brotherhood”, seems more like the brotherhood of “Cain and Able”; why? However, we can’t fight like cats and dogs, as such behavior requires both to act in this way. For the record, I will not assume the role of, “cat or dog”. Of course I apologize, or say I am so ray for misunderstanding your comment. But even my error does not explain why you are so angry, and your threats to stop point. No one, I think would prefer that course of action. But, as I said...even a misquote is no excuse to question my “problems”, that you feel need fixing. Now, if you can fix my broken back, then left me know when you are available.
  22. As I already posted, just because people disagree with your’s or anyone’s comments is not a reason to leave. I have been here 12+ years, if I left because people disagreed with my posts or threads, I would not have lasted a month.
  23. I have no issue with debate, after all this is what this website is for, and my response was not personal. Well, one was questionable possession, but none sought to pretend that I knew you, and spoke of “problems you have, that I wish to fix”. Simply put, you crossed the line, and made it personal, while pretending that I had mental and medical issues. Simply put, that was just bad manners. Feel free to discuss doctrinal and policy questions, those are fare game. But also know, not all will agree, and for those who disagree, it is not personal. So please continue, and I hope you have a wonderful day.
  24. I am not, nor did anything I posted indicate that I was, or am, stressed out, nor upset, nor any other behavior you wish to assign to me. It was just a reply. Also, it is highly suspect that you woke up 25 yers after the fact, to gage what members of this board think, to see if things have changed. That information could and would be better gaged in your own Ward. Or other Wards,if you have moved in those 25 years. Either way, let’s leave matters of my we’ll being to professionals, should I feel I ever need to for such care. But, if you like...what troubles do you speak of, that you “wish you could fix”.
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