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Bill “Papa” Lee

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  1. I was speaking the truth, that inspiration comes from many sources, and I did not, nor ever have suggested that the two examples reflect how all who are Gay feel. You know me better than this from countless discussions you and I have had, but if it makes you feel better to make the accusation, that I did so. Then I am glad you had the opportunity to say so, don’t worry about me, or the truth, I am grown and won’t crumble. Prophets and Apostles in every age have been flawed, as scripture makes apparent. Be it a vision, be it promptings from the Holy Ghost, or by the written word, each means it was inspired. When men are in error, if they are good men, they will correct that error. But apparently this point I made was lost in the two stories I listed, because you did not care for them. This, I guess while you accusing me of being stereotypical, and dismissive. But, again...which group(s) are we or Church leaders supposed to listen to yelling at us every six months on our way to worship God, “according to our own dictates”. Those who wave garments, those who drag out scripture on the ground with a rope, those who hold signs telling us we are all going to hell, those who are Gay and blame us for the death of their children, those who want the Priesthood for women, those who just use their mouths as weapons, yelling profanity, those who don’t like the politics they accuse of, please tell me; which one?
  2. They are men, flawed men, as there is no other kind of men, or women for that matter, called upon to lead a Church with millions of members worldwide. Sometimes they receive visions, sometimes promptings, or what they feel are promotings from the Holy Ghost. Or they are simply putting their Faith is the Words of God, already in print, therefore they believe it is the word and will of God. Words that make clear it is from “Prophets of God”. The scriptures are clear that a Prophet can indeed change the “mind and will of God”, just as Moses changed God’s desire to kill the Israelites, and to raise up another people. Simply put, as the Apostle Paul said, “in this life we see through a glass darkly”. When this policy came out, I did not think it fair, and posted here how I felt, and that I knew it would change. Be it common sense, or because good men always seek to correct error, even their own, especially their own. What is your solution, billions of Churches, each going their own way? When protesters outside conference were being asked questions, they spoke of how unfair it was for children. When asked if the change matters, the woman speaking for those who are Gay, acting as spokeswoman, she said nothing, because it did not matter. Nothing matters to those who hate the Church, nothing but total submission, and complete surrender, and giving into every demand, for those waving flags, shouting obscenities, holding signs, dragging Books of Mormon with rope on the ground, waving around garments, at those who are on their way to worship. So my friend, what do you want of us? What Church would like to see? One of my closest friends whom I served with in many callings (sadly gone now) who “came out of the closet”, leaving a 25 year marriage and 5 children, I asked of him a singular question. If the Church accepted Gay marriage, would those who are Gay, live by the same laws of Chasity that currently our youth are asked to abide by, would they. His answer was, “Bill, I love you, but don’t be naive, there is no waiting for marriage, no such world exists”. So, are we to have one code of contact for one group, and a different for another? In the Temple, almost everything surrounding activities is the union between man and wife, and bringing forth an eternal family and righteous posterity. The command to “multiply and replenish the earth”, so what is to be done, what do “you” wish the Church to be?
  3. When it was first reveled (the policy), I disagreed then. I also knew then it would be changed, as good men when they see error (especially their own) always seek to change that error. What is so odd, is why would someone want their child baptized into a Church that teaches the lifestyle is sinful? I would not care if the Catholic or any Evangelical Church allowed my children or grandchildren to be baptized, if their goal was to teach them that my beliefs, or lifestyle is in error. Of course, our (my) Church does teach that my use language, when I get angry from, 10 years in the Army, and 23 in Law-Enforcement, leaks out. Or my failure to always keep the Sabbath Day Holy, and every other sinful weakness I have had in my adult life. Come to think of it, this is why my children and grandchildren, were baptized, because the Church is not meant to “teach correct principles, that we may govern our actions”. It is my desire that those I love, live better lives, and why I try each day to be a better example that the day before. I need the reinforcement of right and wrong found in scripture, and taught, each week, as I have so many fewer days ahead than behind me. I have had some serious illnesses as of late, and three very bad falls in just over a week, so I need to be more loving, more studious, more Holy. So, I need a Faith that tells me the truth, not one that will seek to help me cover my sins, before the fall that kills me.
  4. I can understand the desire to remain unknown, I use my name and speak openly of my views, where I live etc. I do so to keep me honest, so that I do not appear to be of two opinions.
  5. I was only listing changes to doctrine and practices, not giving weight to one or the other, the right or wrong of the matter.
  6. To answer to the OP, within including every word... Yes, is the short answer to, “do the doctrines of God change”. They have changed many times, with an on, and off again practice of polygamy. It was changed from the Law of Moses, and animal scrafice, to the doctrine of “The Atonement, and repentance via that single sacrifice of “flesh and blood”. The role of the “High Priests”, during the pre-moral, and High Priests, in the post mortal, just the name a few.
  7. Prophets are “commanded”, to warn. This way the judgements of God are just, and righteous. For a Prophet not to warn, is the same for a parent who does not teach their children “truth and righteousness”, the sins will be upon their hands and heads.
  8. My guess, skin cancer removal. If he were married to a Southern Woman, as I am...he stepped out of line, and got a reminder of the dangers of doing so.
  9. Glad you are OK, cars can be replaced, you cannot. Be safe, again you mean a lot to us here.
  10. They should take good care of you, you are wonderful treasure to us all. Hope I spelled this correctly, can’t seem to find my glasses right now.. For all I know I am typing a recipe.
  11. I have friends in Church who would think that would be unfortunate that my wife, kids, and grandkids have this in their background. I won’t mention it at Church for fear someone would say something bad about my family. In short, if they did say something bad, it would be a bad day for us both.
  12. Thank you, this explains why one child is almost identical to mine, and the other three have Native American, and African markers in their results. But DNA tests do help people target their approach while tracing their genealogy. My family was here in the U.S., as early, if not earlier, in the late 1600’s. They fought in the Revolutionary War, and in the Civil War. My great grandfather x 3, was with General Lee, at Appomattox the day the South surrendered, he was Cpl Wesley Harris Mitchell. I wish however he fought against slavery, instead of keeping that deplorable institution. After returning home he founded the First Methodist Church, less that a mile from the Atlanta, Georgia Temple. His Father build the oldest standing structure in Fulton County, in 1813 just two miles from the Temple. In fact both their houses still stand, as protected historical homes. Again, thank you for your response.
  13. I recently posted my DNA results, which are 90% English, 5% Scot Irish, and 5% Norwegian. My wife, my children, and grandchildren, in short everything I love most in this world have someone who was a slave. Who were from the Congo, and the Bantu people from South and central Africa. The sad reality is, there is a high probability we won’t be able to find who they (he she) are and do their Temple work. I have seen and known racism growing up in Georgia, but never in my household growing up. My wife’s family is another matter, which led me to believe that they “postest too much”, to coin a phase”. Thankfully my wife was never of the same opinion, and having seen her Great-Great Grandmother, who was Cherokee, I questioned then was there an African-American somewhere in her genealogy. When I asked, she forbade me to bring the issue up in her home. Now that she has her genealogy, as do my children, I asked if she was going to tell her two remaining family members. She said they would just call her a liar, and told me not to bring it up. To use her words, “Bill, they already think you are leading me to hell for being a Mormon”. I think it is very cool, both Indian and African-American, and English as well, in fact more Scottish, as my DNA is as one sided as it could be. So, I have a question, how does the DNA tests work, as two of my children have some traits, or DNA, and two others have other markers. But, I do ask that asnwers be in layman terms, so all can take part and understand the replies. Looking forward to replies, and assistance.
  14. Thankfully, people grow and change, had he lived longer he would have as well. Such as when he did under, President Spencer W Kimball, and the Priesthood for all worthy male members. Elder McConkie gave one of the greatest sermons I have even heard, just a few days before his death, a sermon that I carry in my briefcase every Sunday, most of which I have memorized. A sermon I played for my Mother, who was not a member, who found it wonderful, inspiring, and to use her words, “gave her a better understanding of the atonement, than she ever has”. Had Elder McConkie lived longer, I think he would ever evolved to become an even mightier man of God. I for one love the man.
  15. So horrible, there was a time here in the South where Black Churches were burned. But sadly the son of a deputy sheriff was just recently here in Georgia, was arrested for setting fire to three historically Black Churches. He was arrested just last week, or two weeks ago. I remember when a Baptist Church was bombed in Birmingham Alabama, which killed four little girls. Everybody knew it was J.B. Stoner, but he got away with it for a long time. In the late 60’s, or early 70’s, the news covered the fact that an ice cream place, called “Kay’s Castle”, in our town was going to start selling ice cream to both Black and White. The same news station said that the bomber, J.B. Stoner was going to be there protesting. So, I asked my oldest brother to take me to town to buy some pants with money I earned. But my plan all along was to confront him, even though he was in a wheelchair. My brother let me out at the cloths store, and was looking for a place to park. Once out of the car, I starting running toward the ice cream store, once there I began reading him “the riot act”, so to speak, where he told me, “apparently your parents did not raise you tight”. At that point it starting getting very ugly, until my brother starting dragging me away. My brother was yelling at me, saying to me...”do you see those two men with him, they are his bodyguards, and most likely armed”. I have eternal pity for those who do such things, as they will face an angry God on judgement day.
  16. What a horrible thing to bring up in church, politics is not even permitted on this discussion board, nor others devoted to defending our Faith. Whomever tried to (or did) interject politics in your Ward should be ashamed, and should have their Bishop warn them not to never do so again. Church, any Church, is not a place to air political opinions, no matter their views.
  17. I did not wish to include your entire post, but in this case it seemed necessary. I first came unto Jesus Christ, on December 21, 1972, in a Baptist Church. I remember that date, as that Church gave me a Bible with that date.in it. I grew up in the home of a Baptist Minister (my Father), and I can assure you, my parents were Christians. I was a Christian as well, before becoming a Latter-day Saint, and at the age of 19, began preaching in the Baptist Church. All who believe Jesus Christ, as their Lord and Savior are Christians, by it’s very definition. Being LDS, many (like President Hickley who once said), “if there be Christians, we are they”. He said this as have others have, who do so because of frustration, and the constant attacks from Evangelicals, who state otherwise, calling us a cult. Salvation (or general slacation) is being saved from “death and hell”. Salvation to Latter-day Saints, is defined as exultation, as this is our stated goal, and should be our objective. But a loving God has prepared a place for all his children, due to the atonement of Christ our Savior, with the exception of the “Sons of perdition”. Wherever we end up, is our choice, as God will force no one into his greatest blessings. Which is why he allows his children to choose even after death. One important thing to remember is that every teacher is a volunteer, and does the best he or her can. Very often quote mining to reflect what they which to convey. Even when choosing a General Conference address, they choose aspects (or quotes) that emphasize their strongest views. I did not leave the Baptist Church because I did not like it, in fact I love it! Nor did I leave it because it was not filled with good people, or Christian people. I left because I knew the Book of Mormon, was indeed the word of God, and the Baptist Church did not have it. Also as the Bible teaches, and as my Father taught me, “man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God”.
  18. I got the 25, so can you help me with the “three words”, I mistelled?
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