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Bill “Papa” Lee

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About Bill “Papa” Lee

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  • Birthday 05/31/1957

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    Atlanta, Georgia
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  1. How could anyone not see that the “Christian Faith” is under fire and under siege?
  2. Well, I can say it now. “Lord, I have seen enough, to know I have seen too much”.
  3. The Police motto is “Protect and Serve”, but the more correct motto in most all circumstances is, “Investigate and Serve”. It is true, that they are charged with protecting us, but in many cases they are not, and will be too late getting there. Because of this, we as “Husbands (Wives), Fathers (Mother’s)”, etc., are the first responders, and the first line of defense. When it comes to “active shooters events”, we are the Police, the Army, and the Guardians of those whom we love, and for those unable to act. To quote a line from a movie, as it is with life, “the most committed wins”. Therefore, we must be all of these things, until the armed Police arrive, just as with a fire in our homes, we are the Fire Department, until the fire department arrives. “No greater love”, is “our” motto, as God’s people. As for Church, myself and my sons always have our a weapon in the car, and I am always near the door, for others reasons, but now this is a reason. But, as I pointed out, a good pocket knife in the hands of someone who knows how to act and act quickly, in a fraction of a second can change almost any outcome. ETA: In short, I agree with you statements, and your take of these issues.
  4. Randy, not sure what “picture” you are seeing? I was not attempting to paint anyone in either a positive or negative light. I am just speaking to issues of which I am very, very aware. I am retired law-enforcement, I carry concealed and openly, depending of the circumstances. I am also a gun collector, very pro-2nd Amendment, and was speaking to a number of different things, protection, policy, etc. as it relates to the Church’s new policy. I posted a number of things, so maybe a look at all of the posts, and how they unfolded would help “paint the entire picture”. That and my own personal experience, on and off the job, as it relates to guns, gun owners, and gun safety. Or maybe not? Your call, brother.
  5. With brave men who love their families or fellow man, more than themselves. Also with those who know what to do in a short amount of time, to a shooter, even a good ink pen can insure the shooter does not continue for long. In fact those who commit such crimes are cowards, so any such injuries to his or her throat or eye, will often send them running home to mommy, or to disarm them. Also, there is no rule against carrying pocket knives. Even a letter opener from the library or clerks office, can in the split second a shooter enters a room, can harm or kill very quickly. What everyone must know, that the first to take swift action may die, the important thing is that those you love, or whom are under your protection won’t. Little else matters, when the lives of others are at stake,
  6. Good, like I said, just because someone has a carry permit, does not mean they know what they are doing, or should have one. More importantly, my guess is that Stake Presidents and Bishops will read the letter, or just emphasize the part about not carrying weapons in Church strongly. But in so doing will say little or nothing about how to act in an “active shooter situation”, when people need to know what to do. My family knows that if in public and something starts, if I draw my weapon they are move down and away form the direction I am moving. Too often chaos works in favor of the shooter, when people frezze, or run all over each other, in all directions. So, I pray that they explain the words, “run, hide, and FIGHT”. If I am unarmed, my family also knows to stay with me and behind me at all times, as I will attempt to get them out, or act as cover. Sadly, we don’t give drivers licenses to those who cannot show their ability of the rules and laws, and pass a driving a car. But, to get a concealed carry permit, in most places you just have to pass a background check. You don’t have to show you can use the weapon properly, the laws in your State. You know, the “life and death stuff”.
  7. I do not think it is an arrogant statement, it was just a question. Nor did that one line question suggest neither arrogance, nor the exclusion of any other groups, anywhere else. If I were to ask, “Is Bill Lee’s Family, the happiest in the world”? How would the question I ask, suggest that I am arrogant, and that no other family is happy? 🙂
  8. We can be, “the happiest people in the world”, just read 4 Nephi 2-3, 15-16 2-3 “...the people were all converted unto the Lord, upon all the face of the land, both Nephites and Lamanites, and there were no contentions and disputations among them, and every man did deal justly with one another. And they had all things common among them; therefore there were not rich and poor, bond or free, and partakers of the heavenly gift”. 15-16 “And it came to pass that there was no contention in the land, because the love of God which did dwell in the hearts of the people. And there was no envying, nor strifes, nor tumults, nor whoredoms, nor lyings, nor murders, nor any manner of lasciviousness; and surely there could not be a happier people among all the people who had been created by the hand of God”. In 4 Nephi 17-18 it gives, or lists more sins, and reasons why and how to be that “happier people”, the entire chapter worth a good read. In addition we are taught that when Jesus Christ comes again, in 1 Nephi 22:25-26, that when he comes, and they know the true “Shepherd”, that “...because of the righteousness of the people, Satan has no power; wherefore he cannot be loosed for the space of many years; for he hath no power over the hearts of the people, for they dwell in righteousness, and the Holy one of Israel reigneth”. So in in my opinion, if the “collective righteousness”, which includes, the conditions, and the absence of the sins listed in 4 Nephi, can bring such, “joy and happiness”, I would submit that “personal righteousness now”, can bind Satan now. If so, “why wait”, this is the key to “Joy”, first, happiness secondary. Forgive the length of this reply, and the Sunday School lesson. But, a wonderful question, and a wonderful thread, so thank you “MustardSeed”.
  9. Then the concealed carry guys take over. There is a good reason to conceal carry, even if the law permits open carry, because guns laws in each State are voted on by everyone. So, one must always be aware of how the voting public views guns laws.
  10. Open carry, for a Police Officer point of view, is much better than concealed. When we see someone open carry, we can usually assume that they are legally carrying and have nothing to hide. Even more so, that they may be a fellow Police Officer, who may be off duty. Although it is not against the law, to openly carry a riffle, if you see someone doing so, take cover all the same. Also you can rest assured that any Police Officer, no matter what will see what planet the idiot carrying is from.
  11. I was making note of the fact, that we are trained what to do, as is our families. But, never been asked for a Stake Conference. But just my between the three of us and my sons, that means there are five or more handguns is as many cars. Does the new policy allow for conceal carry? I hope not, because here in Georgia, too many people have carry permits, who never took the time to know how to use a weapon.
  12. Just like death and taxes, you can (as you said) “we can always count on the Trib to look at the Church in the bleakest way possible”. That and their posters in the comments section. If a story was written about the Rocky Mountains in the Salt Lake Valley, being on the East side of the city, the posters would blame Brigham Young and The Church, for moving them from the West side.
  13. As I responded to your picture, I was struck with irony that I was on the way (my wife driving) to go get a haircut, and shopping with my sidearm on me. Almost my entire adult life, in the military and in law-enforcement, I have always been armed. But, I have never carried a weapon, concealed or otherwise in Church, unless it was on a weeknight on my home, and then only because I forgot. My family and my friends usually take great comfort in the fact, that if out in the public, they are safer as a result. To answer your question, no not in a Church, unless I was on duty in my own jurisdiction. But, I am not a Church Leader, I don’t get death threats, or threats on Church Headquarters, as do many from disaffected or disgruntled ex-members. So to answer the broader question, no matter the time, the place, no one under such threat should be unprotected. One of the worst things to happen in the City of Atlanta, from which I retired, was the Wednesday Night meeting, when the Mother of the late, Martin Luther King Jr, was shot in the back while playing the organ. She had survived so much in her life, when someone came in the door shooting up Ebenezer Baptist Church, on Auburn Ave. by a stay bullet. In fact Church shootings (well all soft targets) are on the rise, and any Church or Church Leader should be able to protect themselves against ANY evil, ANYWHERE. We live in a evil world, and I wish there were no need for weapons anywhere, and no one hopes for this more than all old warriors and cops! Many places made soft, by even trying to unarm those who know how to protect. Politicians like to call them gun free zones, but they are becoming “target rich environments”. But enough on that topic, if you wish to start another thread, I am sure you will find those on both sides of the topics. I for one will obey the Church’s policy.
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