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  1. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    Just go ahead and point them out. I'm not even going to bother looking that phrase up to see what it means.
  2. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    Hopefully no one is trusting these leaders alone, and everyone has gotten confirmation that these leaders truly are called of God. I understand that the idea of fallible prophets is difficult for some people to understand. Truly it would be much much easier if we didn't have to deal with imperfect people's inability to always know God's will (and our own imperfect ability to always know His will) and God just sent angels to each of us declaring His will. Apparently God isn't interested in that kind of easy though. He allows us to 'see thru the glass darkly' and face the consequences of that imperfect sight.
  3. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    From my perspective, being forced to do anything against your will is suffering to some extent. Even if it was me being forced to do something that is ultimately good for me, it would still cause me suffering, because I would fight it every step of the way. But your analogy was presented as if the leaders were choosing for people to be forced to be celibate. Like you said above, if they believe they are only doing what God has commanded them, is it fair to present the issue like they control the church's doctrines?
  4. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    I agree that it is frustrating when people assume that their opinion is factually established higher moral ground and expect people who disagree to discuss an issue as if it's a given.
  5. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    The Brethren don't chose who 'can no longer follow the plan of happiness they had been taught their whole lives' though. From that perspective, it seems like a weird analogy because it makes it implies that the brethren want a certain percentage of the membership to suffer. If they sincerely believe that God has expressed that SSM is not o.k. though, their hands are completely tied, aren't they? Is there an analogy which acknowledges that the church is only doing what they believe God has told them to do? If you can find one, I think you'd have a better chance at people understanding your point.
  6. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    The church does not exclude anyone. All are give the opportunity to participate and all are invited. The church (viewing itself as Christ's church of course and having His authority to do so) presents the conditions that all must accept and live to gain access to that plan, and people either include or exclude themselves based on their reaction to those conditions.
  7. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    Please recognize that your opinion or interpretation of what the church does or doesn't do, is just and only that: opinion. You can frame it as a statement of fact as much as you want, but it doesn't give it anymore weight or validity than mine (or anyone else's) on the subject. I don't enjoy having discussions where people expect me to treat their opinions as if they were established facts. It's tiring and ultimately a waste of time for everyone involved. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.
  8. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    You said this about premarital sex- Maybe the church should look at heterosexual's sex relationships more. They aren't always good either. Lot's of problems stemming from pushing down those sexual feelings the years before the honeymoon. I'm sorry if i misunderstood what you meant.
  9. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    These are the boundaries: No sexual intercourse before marriage no sexual or romantic contact between people of the same sex only heterosexual marriage is condoned Complete fidelity to spouse after marriage Homosexuals and heterosexuals are both bound by these same boundaries. Obviously, how those boundaries affect each group differ (which is a point i've said three times now) but that doesn't mean that the boundaries are different. I personally have a lot of compassion for homosexual people and how the church's boundaries affect them. I don't blame any homosexual person for not wanting to live with those affects and I would need direct confirmation from God that such was His will before I was willing to do so. Even getting that confirmation, it would still be immensely difficult.
  10. Does anyone know any Sunday appropriate getting-to-know-you games that would work in YWs? We're getting a new presidency on Sunday and I thought it would be fun to spend some time for the adults and youth to get to know each other a little bit better.
  11. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    I never said any of that. Johnnycakes said that.
  12. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    I don't get people who think that saying "I don't agree with this, but I love you and want to be as compassionate and supportive as I can be without compromising my beliefs" is talking out of both sides of your mouth. That seems irrational to me. I'm equally surprised that you can't seem to see that. I think that part of what is going so wrong with our society right now is expressed best in this quote-“Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.”
  13. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    Exactly. Sometimes people get so caught up in "it's not enough!" that they shoot themselves and their cause in the foot. Can you imagine any relationship being able to survive or grow or mature if one person is always focused on the perceived weaknesses of the other? It won't belong before the other person wants absolutely nothing to do with the critical one.
  14. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    Do you believe that God has standards that others must meet, once they know about them, or there are eternal consequences?
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