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  1. I think a lot of it is based on BOM Jacob 2: 27 and 30- "Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;.... For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things." Those verses say that unless God commands it, the rule is monogamy. The would mean that polygamy is an exception to the rule.
  2. bluebell

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    You never know, this could be one of the changes announced at general conference!
  3. bluebell

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    You're right! Thank you! It doesn't change my conclusions any but I'm a big fan of accuracy.
  4. This seems like a straw man. No one is saying that because McKenna is imperfect we should discount everything that she has said. McKenna's case relies almost completely upon her credibility so investigating her credibility is the reasonable thing to do. It's fair to investigate JS's credibility as well. But the 'trial of 1826' that you linked to doesn't seem to do that. He was arrested for being a 'vagrant' or a 'disorderly person and imposter' (depending on which account is to be believed). That doesn't really hurt his credibility any, not from a believer's point of view. Critics have claimed that “The reason the 1826 trial is so devastating to the claims of Mormonism is that it links Joseph Smith to the occult.” That doesn't really hurt his credulity either. Christianity in general can easily be linked to the occult too. It's just a matter of perspective.
  5. Is there anything that supports this other than gossip and rumor and allegation?
  6. bluebell

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Jospeh Fielding Smith also taught- “I have no right to raise my hand in opposition to a man who is appointed to any position in this Church, simply because I may not like him, or because of some personal disagreement or feeling I may have, but only on the grounds that he is guilty of wrong doing, of transgression of the laws of the Church which would disqualify him for the position which he is called to hold.” If someone is refusing to sustain a leader and it's not because that leader is guilty of significant sinful behavior, then that person is voting in the wrong way. The revealed order has not been subverted, but some people definitely misunderstand it.
  7. bluebell

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Because I believe that's what God has asked of us. What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same. You're absolutely right in that I have a right to personal revelation and God has given me the ability to know the difference between real prophets and false prophets. But once I have found a real prophet--when God has revealed that to me--then He requires that I follow that prophet. Following a prophet does not require anyone to give up their integrity, though it often requires us to give up our pride and self-righteousness (and I'm speaking about myself and not anyone else).
  8. bluebell

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I didn’t say we couldn’t disagree.
  9. bluebell

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I do agree that we can disagree with them, and that disagreeing is not being against. But I don’t believe we can oppose them and not be against them.
  10. bluebell

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I don’t personally believe it’s possible to be against the first presidency and stand with the Lord at the same time.
  11. I don't always agree with Smac or his posting style, but I almost always read his posts because I've learned over the years that I can trust him to recount things accurately, even if i disagree with his conclusions. I don't think he has anything to fear from lurkers. This weird post trying to passively/aggressively call into question his integrity and morality is really odd though.
  12. I think most of what we are saying in this thread is just our opinions, so that's fine if that's yours. I wanted to outline why I personally didn't find it reasonable. But, if the standard you are trying to set is the we cannot talk about any allegations or things discussed by the police unless they have been proven true, then that seems to set a huge double standard in regards to what you have said about Bishop and the church. Smac has provided a lot of sources. We might. Right now, there is no information to prove either possibility. All we have is the word of two people. In a case that is largely dependent upon one person's credibility, I don't know how anyone can argue that whether or not the person is credible is irrelevant, regardless of when the activity occurred.
  13. If a case largely rests on the credibility of the victim, then investigating the victim's credibility is a relevant and reasonable thing to do. It's not victim shaming.
  14. bluebell

    Missionaries and health insurance

    I've filed so many different times, it's a huge pain. They will take your parents income (unless you meet one of those previously mentioned criteria) into consideration even if they provide $0 for schooling, which I do not think is at all fair. My son just had to do FASFA as a junior because he goes to a public charter school run through Weber State and they can earn their Associates at the same time as they finish high school. They do it through a scholarship though (to account for the tuition that the student isn't actually paying). We didn't have any problem with tax returns not syncing but maybe that's because he was already connected with a scholarship? Oh my goodness who even knows! I'd call the school and double check to see if you need to file again. I would assume that you didn't, but you probably want to be sure.
  15. bluebell

    Missionaries and health insurance

    FASFA (government grants and loans department) requires that a student input their parents tax returns regardless of if they are still living with the parent, the parent is providing for them at all, or if they have filed their own tax returns. This only changes if the student is 24 years old, married, has a dependent of their own, or is a veteran or active duty in the military. It's dumb.