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  1. The real con is the Mesoamerica model ripped off from the RLDS Church by F.A.R.M.S., now known as: Book of Mormon Central = Jack Welch + Kirk Magleby The Interpreter Foundation = Dan Peterson Louis E Hills, 1919: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t39z9z24w;view=2up;seq=34;skin=mobile This book is listed here for sale here for $10.00: “Hills, Louis E., Historical Data from Ancient Records and Ruins of Mexico and Central America, 1919, private, 48 pages $10.00”https://restornews.blogspot.com/2019/01/restoration-library-book-sale.html Hills is mentioned in the 1922 RLDS General Conference minutes: http://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100528.pdf Minutes of General Conference of 1922 (page 210 of the pdf; or page 3288 of the scanned document) “BOOK OF MORMON ARCH.tEOLOGY It was moved to sustain the commission on Book of Mormon Archreology, appointed to examine the works produced by Elder L. E. Hills, such commis- sion to report to the next General Conference. Fol- lowing discussion the previous question was ordered and the motion prevailed. A motion to add two members to the commission was laid on the table.“ This indicates RLDS Scholars wagged the dog of the RLDS Church: “... appointed to exam the works..” ———- Hills was the first to come up with the Hill Cumorah outside of New York, thus the “Two Cumorah” theory. Hills mentions this in his 1924 book, page 131: ”I have no objection to that hill being also called Cumorah, with the understanding that the ancient hill Cumorah is still undiscovered, and that sometime its secrets will be revealed and come to the knowledge of God's people.” https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=2up;seq=134;skin=mobile The CofC Hill Cumorah Expedition Team, also a 501(c)(3), is doing that today: http://www.hceti.org/ A portrait of LE Hills is on the 27th page of this .pdf A portrait of Joseph Smith III is on the 5th page. http://latterdaytruth.org/pdf/101221.pdf L E Hills is mentioned by LDS Scholar, John Tvedtnes - John Sorenson (see footnote 6), Matt Roper, etc., here: https://latterdaysaintmag.com/article-1-191/ The Two-Cumorah Mesoamerica geography theory is a complete fraud originating with the RLDS Church, in the 1920s, as noted above.. But is being promoted by Welch, Magelby, Peterson and their 501(c)(3) employees. FairMormon also promotes it. The Maxwell Institute promotes it. The BYU Religion dept does: www.bom.byu.edu This RLDS 501(c)(3) organization in Missouri promotes it today, as well: https://www.bomf.org/ Rip on Rod Meldrum all you want. But he doesn’t claim Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were speculating on the location of the Hill Cumorah, like Welch, Peterson, Magleby do, to be able to claim the original Hill Cumorah is in Mesoamerica.
  2. Yep. Embrace the Mesoamerica Two-Cumorah Book of Mormon Geography theory and included in the package are Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were idiots. Joseph Smith needed a travel book to learn BoM geography and Oliver Cowdery was speculating. All because of LDS Scholars plagiarizing from the RLDS Church. Then this RLDS author (died in 2017) mentioned on Kirk Magelby’s site which merged with Book of Mormon Central... http://www.bmaf.org/bio/shirley_heater ...quotes LDS Scholars who embraced the RLDS theory.... 2102: https://nebula.wsimg.com/e412bb5fbf52e95401900043cb65b36c?AccessKeyId=AA525AED21BB7CA23BE6&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 ...to prove the “100 years” of RLDS research: 2015: https://nebula.wsimg.com/58cfc0109fa6122fea41ae04ae7b0c27?AccessKeyId=AA525AED21BB7CA23BE6&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 “It’s official! Three Book of Mormon organizations have now merged into one. Zarahemla Research Foundation (ZRF) and Quetzal Archaeology Center for Mesoamerican Research (Quetzal) have merged with The Book of Mormon Foundation (BMF) effective January 1, 2015. The merger has brought together over 100 years of combined research, resources and service.” 1894: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101074867811;view=2up;seq=2;skin=mobile gotta love it. And don’t forget. Please donate to The Interpreter Foundation and Book of Mormon Central, the spinoffs of F.A.R.M.S., because they need more money to further research into a plagiarized RLDS Two-Cumorah Book of Mormon Geography theory. Here are their latest available financials from GuideStar: BAMF = BOMC https://www.guidestar.org/profile/20-5294264 2016 https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2016/205/294/2016-205294264-0e2e2a35-9.pdf 2017 https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2017/205/294/2017-205294264-0fd0b1d7-9.pdf Interpreter Foundation https://www.guidestar.org/profile/46-0869962 2015 https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2015/460/869/2015-460869962-0d10ff67-9.pdf 2016 https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2016/460/869/2016-460869962-0e36db00-9.pdf 2017 https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2017/460/869/2017-460869962-0f18463f-9.pdf Modeled after Korihor, who would be proud. The first one who donates $10,000 or more to further research into how Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were idiots, will receive a free “Nephite Pyramid Playset” with Book of Mormon Action characters: http://stores.lehi.com/pyramid-play-set/ Advertised here on the last page, along with John Sorenson’s “Images of Ancient America” beloved by RLDS: https://nebula.wsimg.com/229e6790a08275500c844fc5d977fc4a?AccessKeyId=AA525AED21BB7CA23BE6&disposition=0&alloworigin=1
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  4. Well, I’ve been too neither, so you got me there! 🙂
  5. Because Portugal owned the Cape Verde islands at the time, it’s the reason Brazil was a Portuguese colony and speaks Portuguese.
  6. You’ve never heard of the Cape Verde Islands? 🧐
  7. You’re an employee of Book of Mormon Central and the Interpreter Foundation. Both organizations state Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were speculating about geography which ties in why you stated we can’t trust books from the 1800s. As I noted, the portion removed from the Wentworth Letter in 2007 Priesthood manual, contradicts the Mesoamerica Theory. I never mentioned a conspiracy theory. You placed words in my mouth. Oliver Cowdery as it states in the Doctrine & Covenants, was an Apostle, the Second Elder of the Church, an Assistant to the President, he wrote the majority of the text of The Book of Mormon as it was translated by the Prophet Joseph Smith by the gift and power of God. Oliver Cowdery received the Aaronic and Melchizedek Priesthood under the hands of John the Baptist and Peter, James and John. Your priesthood Line of Authority runs through Oliver Cowdery as wells as for the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. Oliver Cowdery was also one of the Three Witnesses to the Angel and the Book of Mormon. And he with the other two Witnesses, were instructed to choose and ordain the first members of the Quorum of the Twelve in this dispensation. You agree with all this, but that you have to denigrate him on nothing but the naming of the Hill Cumorah, proves my point. As for the name of the Hill, Oliver Cowdery stated in his first letter, Letter I, that he received this information with the help from the Prophet Joseph Smith. In 1834, Oliver Cowdery was still scribe for the Church with the “gift of Aaron” as mentioned in the the D&C, to be a spokesperson for the Prophet. Joseph Smith wanted the Eight Letters included in his personal history which is why they are in the Joseph Smith Papers. Oliver Cowdery wrote at the introduction to his letters: “That our narrative may be correct, and particularly the introduction, it is proper to inform our patrons, that our brother J. Smith Jr. has offered to assist us. Indeed, there are many items connected with the fore part of this subject that render his labor indispensible. With his labor and with authentic documents now in our possession, we hope to render this a pleasing and agreeable narrative, well worth the examination and perusal of the Saints.— https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/48 Joseph Smith endorsed these letters, that’s why they were included in his personal history and in the Joseph Smith Papers. 28 Oliver Cowdery also wrote these eight letters in response to an anti-Mormon publication called “Mormonism Unvailed” as mentioned in the Editor notes in the Joseph Smith Papers - yet oddly, you claim Oliver Cowdery was wrong in that defense. “Throughout the series of letters, he defended JS’s character and that of the Smith family, and his explicitly apologetic statements include apparent allusions to both Alexander Campbell’s Delusions (1832) and Eber Howe’s Mormonism Unvailed (1834).” https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/48 It’s not a red herring. Joseph and Oliver never had to mention the concept of Two Cumorahs because it never came up until the 1920s, long after they were dead. It was the RLDS church created in 1860, which came up with an Archaeological Committee in 1894. This is their report: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101074867811;view=2up;seq=2;skin=mobile In his 1924 book, page 131, RLDS Author Louis E Hills mentions a Elder HA Stebbins (RLDS), here: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=2up;seq=134;skin=mobile Stebbins was born in 1844, the year the Prophet Joseph Smith was killed. In his autobiography, Stebbins mentions creating a Book of Mormon geography theory for his Book of Mormon lectures: Page 34: http://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100746.pdf “I sat down and began to go over the antiquarian writings of John L. Stephens, Josiah Priest, J.D. Baldwin, C. G. Foster, H. H. Bancro:fit, Desire Charney, W. H. Prescott, and other historians. The first distinct instDuction given me was, "Take the Jaredites first, as the first people who came." The next was to take up tJhe narrative and follow it in its order clear through. In ,the first I was astonished at the clear proofs brought to my attention, those I had never heard any of our ministers use nor seen in any writings. As I continued the Holy Spirit bore witness ,to me in such power and gave me light I had never had before.” Louise E Hills modified the older Stebbins theory to restrict it to Mesoamerica as noted in Hills’ 1924 book. Dr. John L. Sorenson included Hills’ theory in his 1991, “The Geography Book of Mormon Events: A Scource Book,” in which Sorenson stated that Hills was the first scholar to place the Hill Cumorah outside of New York. https://archive.bookofmormoncentral.org/content/john-l-sorenson-geography-book-mormon-events-source-book I am careful. The Church is not a 501(c)(3). Book of Mormon Central, The Interpreter Foundation and FairMormon are private Charitable 501(c)(3) Corporations. Since they are tax-free, their documents are open to the public: BAMF = BOMC https://www.guidestar.org/profile/20-5294264 2016 https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2016/205/294/2016-205294264-0e2e2a35-9.pdf 2017 https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2017/205/294/2017-205294264-0fd0b1d7-9.pdf Interpreter Foundation https://www.guidestar.org/profile/46-0869962 2015 https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2015/460/869/2015-460869962-0d10ff67-9.pdf 2016 https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2016/460/869/2016-460869962-0e36db00-9.pdf 2017 https://pdf.guidestar.org/PDF_Images/2017/460/869/2017-460869962-0f18463f-9.pdf Oliver Cowdery’s letters were published in early church newspapers. The Mesoamerica came later from the RLDS Church. I provided links. You provided nothing. People who are members of a church who denounced the leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, are considered apostates whether they believe in The Book of Mormon or not. See Resolution 1 from the newly formed RLDS Church, with HA Stebbins as a member of that Committee: —- http://www.centerplace.org/library/Study/GCRall.htm Compilation of General Conference Resolutions Adopted June 12, 1852. No. 1. Resolved, That this conference regards the pretensions of Brigham Young, James J. Strang, James C. Brewster, and William Smith and James Wood's joint claim to the leadership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as assumptions of power in violation of the law of God, and consequently we disclaim all connection and fellowship with them. —— I don’t know why you don’t understand that basic principle. The fact you have to raise questions in the mind of your readers about Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery speculating on the location of the Hill Cumorah and BoM geography in general, makes me wonder. Regards, Burnside
  8. Yes, The Book of Mormon. In this important and interesting book the history of ancient America is unfolded, from its first settlement by a colony that came from the Tower of Babel, at the confusion of languages to the beginning of the fifth century of the Christian era. We are informed by these records that America in ancient times has been inhabited by two distinct races of people. The first were called Jaredites and came directly from the Tower of Babel. The second race came directly from the city of Jerusalem, about six hundred years before Christ. They were principally Israelites, of the descendants of Joseph. The Jaredites were destroyed about the time that the Israelites came from Jerusalem, who succeeded them in the inheritance of the country. The principal nation of the second race fell in battle towards the close of the fourth century. The remnant are the Indians that now inhabit this country. This book also tells us that our Savior made his appearance upon this continent after his resurrection, that he planted the gospel here in all its fulness, and richness, and power, and blessing; that they had apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, and evangelists; the same order, the same priesthood, the same ordinances, gifts, powers, and blessings, as was enjoyed on the eastern continent, that the people were cut off in consequence of their transgressions, that the last of their prophets who existed among them was commanded to write an abridgment of their prophecies, history, &c., and to hide it up in the earth, and that it should come forth and be united with the bible for the accomplishment of the purposes of God in the last days. For a more particular account I would refer to the Book of Mormon, which can be purchased at Nauvoo, or from any of our travelling elders.
  9. If the Apostle Paul had testified about the Apostasy and the Restoration... ...by declaring that that Restoration would come about by the means of some gold plates buried in a hill, upon which were written the fullness of the gospel, by a people whose final battle of extermination occurred at that same hill, then modern-day scholars who hold the Priesthood of God, but run a private business, would not have believed him, anymore than they would have believed the Apostle Oliver Cowdery. ”It is therefore more appropriate that, rather than seeing Oliver’s views on the topic of Book of Mormon geography as being authoritative, prophetic pronouncements, they should be seen as reflections of, if not the main cause behind, popular nineteenth-century Mormon speculation on Book of Mormon geography.” - Privately owned Book of Mormon Central, Utah County, Utah, KnoWhy #453 Speculating is the latest popular claim to disregard Church Leaders, pastor or current, to adopt the teachings of men, but it’s as old the hills, older than Paul (Helaman 16:16). Nero and King Agrippa likely agreed. Thus, even if there were a written Roman record of Paul, it wouldn’t be believed anymore than this one: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90 ..especially on this website.
  10. Mammoths were found in the Phoenix area, Chandler and Gilbert, which would indicate a different climate than the current hot and dry deserts of the Southwest. https://www.csmonitor.com/1997/0916/091697.home.home.1.html http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/news/ice-age-mammoth-found-by-builders-in-gilbert/article_1aca8499-eecc-54dd-91ba-8848e15e6580.html A Mammoth was found near Snowmass village, in the Colorado Rockies. Maybe the Jaredites used them as a ski lift, to get up on the slopes. https://www.denverpost.com/2010/10/18/woolly-mammoth-bones-found-near-snowmass-village-called-significant-find/ If The Book of Mormon is built upon the foundation of the Order Proboscidea, then North America sounds reasonable. But if built upon a foundation of Apostles and Prophets, the Apostle Oliver Cowdery stated that the final Jaredite and Nephite battles occurred at the Hill Cumorah in New York. He called it a “fact.” https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90
  11. That’s what some Scholars claim. Oliver Cowdery wrote otherwise: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90 The LDS Scholars who don’t believe Oliver Cowdery claim he was speculating, but they have an invested $$$ interest in promoting the RLDS Fraud called a the Two-Cumorah Mesoamerica Geography theory. They have 501(c)(3)’s promoting it and beg for donations. Tax-free donations. They get on here and argue for it to protect their fraud. It’s hilarious, actually. It’s over a 100 yrs old, the copyright expired, I assume. So it was plagiarized, expanded upon and spewed out as the truth, which it isn’t. RLDS report: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101074867811;view=2up;seq=2;skin=mobile RLDS 1919 book: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t39z9z24w;view=2up;seq=34;skin=mobile RLDS 1924 book: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=2up;seq=58;skin=mobile www.hecti.org - CofC Branch in Buckner, Jackson County, MO - have had annual expeditions to the Hill Cumorah - in Mexico. Latest this year. They identified a mountain with a natural cave called Cerro Rabon, in southern Mexico. Current 2019 articles from “The Witness” at BOMF.org in Independence, MO usually has articles about it. https://www.bomf.org/the-witness.html There’s a lot more stuff if anyone has the desire to find it. But most members just shrug their shoulders and believe Oliver Cowdery was a chowder-head because some Utah Scholar dudes said so. Even BYU uses the RLDS theory with their fantasy map. Note how the site has a satellite map of the Arabian Peninsula, then a fantasy map for the Americas which Tolkien would be proud of. I wouldn’t be surprised if the fantasy map were expanded, one could see a couple of hobbits marching on their way from southern Mexico to bury some METAL plates in a volcano in New York. http://bom.byu.edu/
  12. https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/search?query=coffee&sort=page number&page=1&perpage=10&startdate=&enddate=&transcripts=false&issuggestion=false&uri=/published/jsp/expanded/papers/43990549/43990549-0235.xml&types=documents-papers|documents-papers-histories|related-materials|biographical-directory|geographical-directory|glossary|event
  13. Failed? What’s the definition of failure? D&C 101:4; 137:5; 124:19
  14. Look at the map on this page here: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t39z9z24w;view=2up;seq=34;skin=mobile And it’s here on the second page of this RLDS Quetzal Codex publication: https://nebula.wsimg.com/7bb9e706664eb88ffcc243bf714261ca?AccessKeyId=AA525AED21BB7CA23BE6&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 From: https://www.bomf.org/quetzal-codex.html The Mesoamerica Theory is a fraud. Tell your friends, so they won’t be deceived.
  15. The evidence from the text indicates a larger area than Mesoamerica. Limhi’s people found the Prophet Ether’s plates that were prepared in a manner that they could be found. They weren’t found by the people of Mulek who discovered Coriantumr the last Jaredite, or later by the people of Zarahemla the descendants of Mulek’s group, who had had wars among themselves before discovered by the Nepjites. They were not found even after the Nephites fled the Land of Nephi and were lead to the Land of Zarahemla. But who found them? A group of Nephites who two generations earlier tried to inherit the Land of Nephi, failed and in trying to find the land of Zarahemla - got lost in their attempt. This was 400 years later. Thus, for 400 yrs, Ether’s plates were out in the open hid in a manner to be found. Moroni buried his record to protect them, as he was commanded to by the Lord, to protect them from the Lamanites. Not so with the Prophet Ether. He hid his plates in a manner that they could be found, but they weren’t found until 400yrs later.(121 B.C. - Mosiah 21). This indicates Ether wasn’t concerned about anyone left alive to molest his plates, since all the Jaredites were destroyed. Mesoamerica, as defined by LDS “Apologists” was swarming with people, even when Lehi arrived. This contradicts the text. The Mesoamerica theory is a fraud, anyway, made up by the RLDS Church, adopted by a bunch of Utah Scholars to obtain money via 501(c)(3) Tax-Free Charitable Corporations. It’s called BUSINESS AND TURNING A PROFIT. The Utah Scholars took the RLDS theory, expanded on it, by adding tapirs are Nephite Horses, metal swords are wooden, etc., etc., and claim the text contains anachronisms to account for the tapirs, etc.. What’s even worse, these same Utah Scholars, claim Oliver Cowdery was some chowder-head who was merely speculating when he wrote and taught the final Jaredite and Nephite battles were at the Hill Cumorah in New York. And that the Prophet Joseph Smith contradicted all that he had said earlier, but finally learned the geography of The Book of Mormon from reading about Mesoamerica from a popular travel book, the modern equivalent being a subscription to the National Geographic magazine. RLDS Publications: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101074867811;view=2up;seq=2;skin=mobile https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=loc.ark:/13960/t39z9z24w;view=2up;seq=4;skin=mobile https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=2up;seq=58;skin=mobile It’s total RLDS phoney-baloney. Ted Callister is donating the proceeds of his book to Book of Mormon Central, btw, or so I read. That’s why FairMormon is promoting it: $$$. BoMC, FairMormon, Interpreter, they all promote this RLDS Mesoamerica fraud. They have to, to get people confused, then they have the answers to the “big mystery of Book of Mormon geography,” all to get donations. One would think the account of Zeezrom would enlighten people about this matter.
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