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  1. Family / Temple / Sealing 12 And as I partook of the fruit thereof it filled my soul with exceedingly great ajoy; wherefore, I began to be bdesirous that my family should partake of it also; for I knew that it was cdesirable above all other fruit. 7 Behold, I give unto you apower, that whatsoever ye shall bsealon earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven; and thus shall ye have power among this people. 8 And thus, if ye shall say unto this temple it shall be rent in twain, it shall be done.
  2. Duh! 5 Now, whether there shall be one time, or a asecond time, or a third time, that men shall come forth from the dead, it mattereth not; for God bknoweth all these things; and it sufficeth me to know that this is the case—that there is a time appointed that all shall rise from the dead.
  3. More Book of Mormon Historical Revisionism by Robert F Smith and Rajah Manchou. As if The Book of Mormon were subject to private interpretations because a theory is “brilliant and clear.” (The Malay Archipelago. ROTFL.) https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90
  4. To follow up, the Admins don't even allow the URLs I pasted above to be "clickable." This is how scared they are, or whoever is asking them to censor me - how scared they are that it should be made known that the Mesoamerica Geography Theory for the Book of Mormon originated with the RLDS Church as far back as the late 1800s and into the 1920s and is now being promoted by some LDS Members in UTAH. Quite odd, since I've been a faithful member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints all my life, served a two-year mission in Venezuela back in the day when North American missionaries were allowed in Venezuela, and recently finished a two-year commitment as a Temple Worker in the baptistry of the Gilbert Arizona Temple. I saw the change made by Pres. Monson allowing Priests to perform Temple Baptisms and be Witnesses, when before only endowed Melchizedek priesthood holders were allowed to baptize, and the more recent in January of this year of allowing of 11-year old deacons to participate as proxies. But what do other members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints care about the TRUTH, if it conflicts with their preconceived erroneous ideas about the Book of Mormon and its geography? Very little, apparently. Makes me wonder who they follow, the Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or some confused LDS Scholars who promote a plagiarized Mesoamerica Book of Mormon geography theory from the confused RLDS Church which changed its name to Community of Christ, around 1986 and it's breakaway "Restoration Branches."
  5. Volcanoes are not consistent with the text of the Book of Mormon: 3 Nephi 10:9 And it came to pass that thus did the three days pass away. And it was in the morning, and the adarkness dispersed from off the face of the land, and the earth did cease to tremble, and the brocks did cease to rend, and the dreadful groanings did cease, and all the tumultuous noises did pass away. This indicates the darkness dispersed at the same time as the earth ceased to tremble. The trembling of the earth and the darkness were related to each other. (Volcanic ash would still be in the air after an eruption.) This verse is consistent with what was reported during the New Madrid quake of 1811-1812: https://missourilife.com/new-madrid-earthquakes-1811-1812/ "As Pierce and his traveling companions watched, the earth opened up before them, sending “a volcanic discharge of combustible matter” skyward. “The earth, river, etc., torn with furious convulsions, opened in huge trenches. There through a thousand vents sulphurous streams gushed from its very bowels leaving vast and almost unfathomable caverns,” wrote Pierce." " Everyone in the community rushed out into the winter night, to be met with the overpowering stench of sulfur. " " In the bitter cold, the settlers remained outdoors throughout the night, as the temblors renewed every few minutes. The earth’s emanations of smoke, water, dirt, and steam, amid an overpowering sulfurous stench, blocked the view of the moon and stars as a cacophony of terrified animal sounds and the roar of the quake engulfed the stunned community standing in near-total darkness." " Around 7 am December 16, another quake struck, every bit as powerful as the first. By this time, the air had filled with fog and the vapors spewed from within the earth. As the settlers watched, the ground bucked and rolled, opening fissures that spit rocks and sand high into the air. An inescapable vision of hell had descended upon New Madrid, and there was no place to hide. " " Pervading everything was the sickening pall of sulfur." Most of you have a Mesoamerica mindset, thus volcanoes - inconsistent logic - despite Oliver Cowdery stating in Letter VII that the Hill Cumorah where the final battles were, is in New York. Also the Mesoamerica theory originated with the RLDS Church back when Joseph F. Smith and his First Cousin, Joseph Smith III, were simultaneously Presidents of the LDS and RLDS Churches, respectively. The "Utah" Church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was in the process of purchasing the Hill Cumorah and some surrounding lands, finalized after President Joseph F. Smith's death. The RLDS Church couldn't afford to, so it downplayed the importance of the Hill Cumorah being in New York and instead came up with the idea of the Hill Cumorah being in Mesoamerica. Joseph F. Smith's son, Joseph Fielding Smith spoke out again the Mesoamerica theory, when he was the Church Historian and Apostle. But the RLDS Church's Mesoamerica Theory was spread into Utah when the RLDS Church sent missionaries to Utah in the 1920s. Here's a list of CofC Congregations, some in Utah as you can see: https://www.cofchrist.org/find-a-congregation And a list of Restoration Branches, which broke off of the CofC church in the 1980s: http://www.eldersconference.org/files/content/RESTORATION%20BRANCHES%20%20DIRECTORY%20%20%20April%201%202017.pdf This is the RLDS/CofC/Restoration Branches "Book of Mormon Foundation" where they send youth to Mesoamerica for Book of Mormon studies and promote the Maya as Book of Mormon characters: https://www.bomf.org/internship.html This is the RLDS/CofC https://www.hillcumorahexpeditionteam.com/ Hill Cumorah Expedition Team. If you search the site, they claim they found the Hill Cumorah and its cave. These RLDS/CofC/Restoration Branch members are Mormons. They believe in The Book of Mormon. You can read their many testimonies on these sites. They just are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, because they don't believe Brigham Young was Joseph Smith's successor, thus they don't have the priesthood and revelatory keys. A good reason why Pres. Nelson has asked us to use the full name of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. http://www.centerplace.info/ This shows a list of Churches which broke off from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and some from the CofC church, calling themselves Restoration Branches. Again, they all believe in The Book of Mormon. This is the autobiography of HA Stebbins. http://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100746.pdf He mentions in the page number 194: " I sat down and began to go over the antiquarian writings of John L. Stephens, Josiah Priest, J.D. Baldwin, C. G. Foster, H. H. Bancro:fit, Desire Charney, W. H. Prescott, and other historians. The first distinct instruction given me was, "Take the Jaredites first, as the first people who came." The next was to take up the narrative and follow it in its order clear through. In the first I was astonished at the clear proofs brought to my attention, those I had never heard any of our ministers use nor seen in any writings. As I continued the Holy Spirit bore witness ,to me in such power and gave me light I had never had before. All fear and dread left me and I made page after page of references and quotations to use in the sermons." I emphasized the above in bold underline, because he ignored his leaders. He ignored Oliver Cowdery in Letter VII, which should have been well known, since HA Stebbins was born in 1844. This is HA Stebbins published Book of Mormon lectures where he ignores North America as a Book of Mormon setting: http://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/101148.pdf HA Stebbins is mentioned by RLDS Scholar Louise E Hills in his 1924 book: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=Stebbins;id=wu.89058377359;view=1up;seq=115;start=1;sz=10;page=search;orient=0 LE Hills was the first Book of Mormon Scholar to confine the Book of Mormon geography and the "original" Hill Cumorah in Central America. These are references to the work Cumorah in his same 1924 book: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=cumorah&id=wu.89058377359&view=1up&seq=115 As you can see, he questions the Hill Cumorah being in New York. MY POINT BEING - the whole volcano issue is based on a false premise of the geography of The Book of Mormon being located in Mesoamerica, which idea originated with the RLDS Church which origins started by not following Brigham Young. Here you can see HA Stebbins' name on a reproduced 1916 document which disclaims any association with Brigham Young. http://www.centerplace.org/library/Study/GCRall.htm The admins around here don't like me, because I point all this stuff out. Thus they revoked my starting a new thread, or posting pictures. But this is the truth: The Mesoamerica Geography Theory originated with the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Knowing this, why do you promote this RLDS Mesoamerica Geography Theory? A rhetorical question, because I know you would answer that you don't agree. Facts do not matter to some, apparently. A complicated scholarly approach is more important. Kind regards, Burnside
  6. On my! I may getting banned for defending The Prophet Joseph Smith at Mormondialogue.org against someone who claims Joseph Smith plagiarized The Book of Mormon, by pointing out the Mesoamerica Geography Theory was plagiarized from RLDS Scholars by LDS Scholars who claim Oliver Cowdery was wrong in his Letter VII on the location of the Hill Cumorah; so these LDS Scholars can still receive donations at the their Charitable 501(c)(3) Corporations and sell tickets for their cruise. Ok. I promise next time to be real serious about it and not to laugh. Will that suffice?
  7. Joseph Smith plagiarized nothing. It’s the LDS Intellectuals, so-called, who plagiarized a Mesa Two-Cumorah geography theory from the RLDS Church. See Alan C. Miner’s blog: https://stepbystep.alancminer.com/node/2268 At the end he mentions RLDS scholar Louis Edward Hills geography theory as the first to propose the Hill Cumorah outside of New York, the Two-Cumorah theory: ”A member of the RLDS Church, Louis Edward Hills is credited with being the first to develop a Book of Mormon geography model that was strictly limited to Mexico and Central America..” “For him the hill Cumorah was in central Mexico, the first place ever suggested other than New York. In the preface of his book he states the following: (partial quote follows) “I have tried to make the Book itself give to us the much-to-be-desired map.” “ Here’s Hills’ 1917 map second page in yellow, in this two-page article at the RLDS site Quetzal Codex: https://www.bomf.org/quetzal-codex.html “A Review of Glenn Scott’s Map” article by Shirley R. Heater, (deceased). https://nebula.wsimg.com/7bb9e706664eb88ffcc243bf714261ca?AccessKeyId=AA525AED21BB7CA23BE6&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 Who’s Alan C Miner? Dentist, likely retired, former owner of Book of Mormon Central’s headquarters in Springville, UT per Utah County land records: http://www.utahcounty.gov/LandRecords/property.asp?av_serial=523080002 Who’s the owner now per 2019, Kirk Magleby, owner of BMAF.org which joined with Jack Welch at Book of Mormon Central. That’s their dump of a building Headquarters for the LDS Intellectuals promoting a LGT Two-Cumorah geography theory plagiarized from the RLDS Church. ALL INFO IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. Here’s BMAF honoring Shirley R. Heater before her passing in 2017: http://www.bmaf.org/bio/shirley_heater Also: http://restornews.blogspot.com/2017/04/shirley-r-heater-obituary.html All fine people, just a little confused on Book of Mormon geography. But proof LDS Scholars plagiarized from RLDS Scholars the Mesoamerica Two-Cumorah geography theory. Now check out this nonsense: A book at the UofTexas at Austin, correlates with “Mormon’s Codex.” “Correspondences between the Kaqchikel Chronicles and Mormon’s Codex“ http://www.bmaf.org/node/501 And on Magleby’s blog, the exact same article: http://bookofmormonresources.blogspot.com/2015/02/kaqchikel-chronicles.html Bwah ha ha! Talk about off base, from a made-up 1917 RLDS joke. LDS Intellectuals which created F.A.R.M.S., BMAF, Book of Mormon Central, The Mormon Interpreter - all plagiarized from RLDS Louis E. Hills Book of Mormon geography in 1917 from his Book, mentioned here in Terrly L. Givens book “By The Hand of Mormon” on google books, in the footnotes, next to John L. Sorenson. Footnotes, 31 & 32: https://books.google.com/books?id=g2bcuMvxMBgC&pg=PA277&lpg=PA277&dq=louis+e+hills+1917+book&source=bl&ots=gjgyFuzeFt&sig=ACfU3U05rG9hrKttHDOp6PciMURkWMrgBQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjI4rL8xIfiAhXS854KHXW5Db8Q6AEwGnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=louis e hills 1917 book&f=false Joseph Smith plagiarized from a knowledge of Mesoamerica? nonsense! Again, It’s RLDS Scholars who came up with the Meso Two-Cumorah theory and LDS Scholars who plagiarized and admittedly worked with current RLDS scholars, one being deceased Shirley R. Heater who published Quetzal Codex articles. Now they’re trying to fill their cruise ship to Belize, ha ha ha with a link to this at the top of the home page of BookofMormonCentral: https://bookofmormoncentral.org/events/book-of-mormon-central-cruise-with-john-w-welch What a hoax. Here’s Oliver Cowdery stating it was a “fact” the final Jaredite and Nephite battles occurred at the Hill Cumorah in New York: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90 Here’s Book of Mormon Central telling you Oliver Cowdery was a liar: https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/knowhy/how-are-oliver-cowderys-messenger-and-advocate-letters-to-be-understood-and-used Now waste your money and time and go on a cruise to Belize to MesoamericaLand with BookofMormonCentral to learn more about the RLDS Louis E Hills two-cumorah geography theory which they plagiarized. Next, you can join the members of the Community of Christ (RLDS) of Buckner, Jackson County, MO an expedition to the Hill Cumorah in Mexico and try to find Mormon’s records including Ether’s 24 gold plates. https://www.hillcumorahexpeditionteam.com/ourbeginning.html Gold is currently approx. $1,280 USD per ounce. THINK HOW RICH YOU’ll be if you can sneak them back to the US across the US/Mexico border. Or maybe you can melt them down in Mexico and sell the lump of Gold for cash. Ha ha ha! You need to use more civility in your posting if you wish to post on this board.
  8. The announcement states it’s a Global Standard because many countries don’t recognize a religious ceremony as a legal marriage. So why would removing the one-year wait to be sealed in The Temple cause a massive drop in young marrieds getting sealed? 🙄 ”The new policy sets a single global standard for Latter-day Saints around the world. The Church has observed this practice for many years in more than half of the countries where the worldwide faith resides. In those countries, couples are required by law to marry civilly first.”
  9. The site says exactly that. Quit you’re murmuring. “Details will be shared at childrenandyouth.lds.org as the implementation date approaches.” https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/new-program-children-youth
  10. Oh, you’re all so upset to discover The Two-Cumorah Mesoamerica Book of Mormon geography theory was started by the RLDS Church. All because The LDS Church bought the Hill Cumorah in New York which irritated the RLDS Church, so they said the New York Hill wasn’t important. But none of you were bright enough to figure that out, were you? There was back in the day court challenges to the owners of Church property in the east after the Saints went to SLC. How sad for you all. People here on MormonDialogue can start discussions criticizing the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints over it’s policies, doctrines and teachings. They can complain about Pres. Nelson not being prophetic. They complain and moan about The Church not accepting this or not agreeing with that worldy teaching. But if one challenges or criticizes The Two-Cumorah Mesoamerica Geography Theory as coming form the RLDS Church, then you get banned, or at least your privilege to start new discussions is first taken away and the avility to add photos. What a sorry saggy website. It engages in censorship. Now your sadness will be over and you will no longer will have to be faced with reality and can you go back to your silly dreams of Mesoamerica and continue your 501(c)(3) business models with you’re outstretched hands begging for donations via a PayPal button. “Please send us money! We have to discover The Hill Cumorah in Mexico!” Oh wait. It’s already been discovered. By the Buckner, MO Branch of The Community of Christ. http://hceti.org/ Notice the photo of the spring at The Hill Cumorah “South” on the last page of their Spring newsletter date March 2019: https://www.hillcumorahexpeditionteam.com/files/NewsletterVol13Issue1.pdf They’re all set to discover Mormon’s Library in a cave in said hill. They just need to find the cave. ”“The connections made with the land-owner at the stela mound were very cordial. The vision of what will be happening in the next year was shared and warmly welcomed. There was an air of mutual affinity between all parties as potentials were considered. The pres- ence of God’s Spirit was apparent as doors opened and pathways were creat- ed. The coming forth of Mormon’s library is eminent with a strange and marvelous work about to commence to be a catalyst for the latter-day harvest.” Page 4 “These rec- ords will reveal what God has done and continues to do on a global scale for the salvation of man. Will you please pray for us and the fulfillment of God’s purposes? We all play a part in this. A movement of uni- ty is taking place, and our humble pray- ers and loving embrace for all of God’s creation will assist in bringing His Kingdom into physical existence. The Kingdom of God is about to be made manifest on this Earth!! God bless, and endure to the end!“ Page 4 ”The stage is now set for the people of the world to see. Who will be the individuals that will play the defining roles? Will it be HCETI? We don’t know the answer but we do know it will be the Lord’s choosing, not man. We just pray that we have done our part to put the pieces together to advance the knowledge to the world of who the Maya are and their testimony of the risen Savior. We know by prophecy contained in the Book of Mormon, that the records se- cured by Mormon in Hill Cumorah (southern Mexico) are a key to unlock- ing the mysteries of it all. The world will see. The world will know. But will the world believe? Hold on tight, it’s going to be an amazing journey.” Page 2 This is the garbage that Book of Mormon Central promotes. Here Dr. John L. Sorenson, LDS, makes clear he plagiarized the Two-Cumorah theory from RLDS Scholar, Louise E. Hills. https://publications.mi.byu.edu/book/the-geography-of-book-of-mormon-events-a-sourcebook/ P. 32-33 of the .pdf document. But you’re all too stupid to figure that out, aren’t you? EVEN WHEN YOU’RE SPOONFED with the knowledge. https://publications.mi.byu.edu/publications/bookchapters/Geography_of_Book_of_Mormon_Events/Sorenson- The Geography of Book of Mormon Events, A Source Book, lo-res.pdf Here’s an article from the Queztal Codex publication from BOMF.org, an RLDS publication quoting Sorenson. and in this one Page 2: “Finally, Louis Hills’ 1917 map of Mesoamerica compiled from the internal requirements of The Book of Mormon shifted the focus to a more limited geography in Mesoamerica, with the Isthmus of Tehuantepec identified as the Narrow Neck, a position accepted by most Book of Mormon scholars today (Sorenson 1992:32).” I’ve found so much information that the Two-Cumorah Geography Theory was started by the RLDS and continues with it and is plagiarized by LDS Scholars that I could out-debate you intellectual cowards anytime. But no. You’re all scared of the TRUTH. You’d rather sit on this site and crack stupid jokes. But when a newcomer arrives and turns your world inside out, you all whine like little babies, even when spoon fed. So remain ignorant, since you’re now responsible for your own learning.
  11. Go to Law School Practice Non-Profit and Tax Law Set up your own Non-Profit 501(c)(3) Charitable Corporation Claim your Non-Profit is for Book of Mormon studies from a plagiarized RLDS Mesoamerica Book of Mormon Geography Theory Set up a Family Trust which has taxable income Make tax-deductible donations to the 501(c)(3) you created from your taxable Family Trust You just lowered your taxes! Congratulations! One last step: place a PayPal button on your 501(c)(3) and beg for donations; because you need to take a cruise to The Land of Promise in Central America: https://bookofmormoncentral.org/blog/join-book-of-mormon-central-on-a-caribbean-cruise It’s all perfectly legal, of course. https://bookofmormoncentral.org/content/donation-instructions Major donors ($10,000 or more) to Book of Mormon Central include: Stephanie Sorensen Charitable Fund, Laguna Niguel, CA Sorenson Legacy Foundation, Midvale, UT Welch Family Trust, Salt Lake City, UT John S. & Unita Welch, Salt Lake City, UT John W. & Jeannie Welch, Provo, UT Kirk & Shannon Magleby, American Fork, UT
  12. Book of Mormon Foundation (BOMF) https://www.bomf.org/ started from the apostate The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (RLDS) now calling itself The Community of Christ (CofC) with the “Restoration Branches” which split off of CofC. Here: https://www.bomf.org/bmf-history.html On its site is the Queztal Codex: https://www.bomf.org/quetzal-codex.html , with sporadic publications (sporadic as in dates of publication). Notice the bottom two links to short articles mentioning “Mesoamerica” and complaining about the “Heartland Model” and “Rod Meldrum.” In the one page article “Book of Mormon Geography Remains a Hot Topic,” Louise Edward Hills is mentioned as the FIRST to place the setting solely in Mesoamerica, quoting John L. Sorenson : Hills is mentioned in more of these Queztal Codex articles. Here is Louise Edward Hills book for your perusal: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=1up;seq=5 Here is Oliver Cowdery writing in Letter VII that the final battles of the Jaredites and Nephites occurred at the Hill Cumorah in New York: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90 Ha ha ha! Book of Mormon Central, The Interpreter Foundation, BMAF, and the now defunct F.A.R.M.S. etc. all started by LDS Members, plagiarized a FRAUD of a geography theory from the RLDS Church. And gullible members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, bought it. That’s why images like this with Maya imagery exist in Church buildings, and sadly in Temples. Inspired by a fraud.
  13. What do you want? That a prophet should tell you the winning lottery numbers? To fortune-tell your palms? To tell you what to eat for dinner? To measure the bumps on your skull to determine the IQ of your sphere of intelligence?
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