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  1. Source of Two-Cumorah Mesoamerica Geography Theory: RLDS 1894 https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101074867811;view=2up;seq=2;skin=mobile RLDS 1924 https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=2up;seq=58;skin=mobile CofC 2007 to 2019: http://www.hceti.org/ https://hillcumorahexpeditionteam.com/Testimony.html RLDS 1960s to present: https://www.bomf.org/bmf-history.html RLDS Quetzal Codex publications, merged with above: https://www.bomf.org/quetzal-codex.html RLDS Current issues of “The Witness” by bomf: https://www.bomf.org/the-witness.html Adopted by BYU Professors: http://www.bmaf.org/bio/shirley_heater - LDS recognizing RLDS http://bom.byu.edu/ - fantasy map, can’t use a real map, BYU students are considered idiots Fantasy Map used by RLDS 1919, page 2: https://nebula.wsimg.com/7bb9e706664eb88ffcc243bf714261ca?AccessKeyId=AA525AED21BB7CA23BE6&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 RLDS teach their children the people of Ammon are Mayas: https://nebula.wsimg.com/46d3ed609d473e951de5cf1cc03c41c7?AccessKeyId=AA525AED21BB7CA23BE6&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 http://bom.byu.edu/mormons-cave/ BYU Mormon’s cave in Mexico RLDS/CofC Mormon’s Cave in Mexico, Cerro Rabon: https://hillcumorahexpeditionteam.com/Expeditions.html RLDS Two-Cumorah Geography theory sold by Deseret Book, a waste of trees: https://deseretbook.com/p/mormons-codex-john-l-sorenson-88816?variant_id=7218-hardcover Oliver Cowdery in 1834 declares final Jaredite and Nephite battles at Hill Cumorah in New York, in response to anti-Mormon publication “Mormonism Unvailed” https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90 Don’t believe Oliver Cowdery, declares LDS Jack Welch; Cowdery was “speculating” the real Cumorah (RLDS) is in Mexico: https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/knowhy/how-are-oliver-cowderys-messenger-and-advocate-letters-to-be-understood-and-used BIGGEST FARCE EVER PERPETUATED ON THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS by a bunch a quack BYU Professors who plagiarized the RLDS geography theory then created 501(c)(3) Charitable Corporations: “Book of Mormon Central” aka “BMAF.org” ”The Interpreter” So they can beg for tax-free money for “research” on Book of Mormon geography, from fools who are easily separated from their money - because Oliver Cowdery can’t be believed and the Prophet Joseph Smith learned Book of Mormon geography from a travel book written by John Lloyd Stephens - while RLDS members are already down in Mexico on expeditions. Thus the RLDS influence promoted by LDS BYU Professors - because the rest of us are ignorant stooges about the RLDS Church. Explained: http://www.bookofmormoncentralamerica.com/2019/03/the-m2c-hoax-part-4-rlds-won.html
  2. The Mexican American War was on in 1845-1847, thus the Mormon Battalion, which basically captured a small Mexican outpost called Tucson which is south of the Gila River the northern boundary of the Gadsden Purchase of 1853. Two months after the Pioneers first entered the Salt Lake Valley, American Forces captured Mexico City in the middle of September 1847. Ever heard the phrase “The Walls of Montezuma” in the US Marine hymn? That’s where it came from. What Mexican Law did the early Saints then break when the United States was at war and the Mormon Battalion as official US Armed Forces, captured land from Tucson northward and the United States could have annexed the entire country of Mexico? After the War, the United States govt allowed Mexican Citizens in the acquired lands to relocate to Mexico or remain and become US Citizens with all the rights that it granted them. A giant nothing burger this is. “Mormon Pioneers were illegal immigrants”. BwaHahaha!
  3. Mitchell’s observations were not of “Lamanite lands” but of New York, or specifically of Western New York, where the final Nephite (and Jaredite) battles occurred near the Hill Cumorah. https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90 They were Nephite lands, as any serious student of The Book of Mormon would know. Mitchell was a well respected physician, M.D., LL.D of Law, naturalist, scholar, professor at King’s College (Columbia), politician, New York State Legislator, US Senator and US Congressman of New York, all before Martin Harris met with him. b. 1764 d. 1831 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_L._Mitchill http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=M000831 https://www.nyhistory.org/exhibit/samuel-latham-mitchell-md-1764-1831 Samuel Latham Mitchill’s books: https://www.bookdepository.com/author/Samuel-L-Mitchill Mitchill corresponded with Thomas Jefferson: https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-11-02-0064 Jefferson, who called him the “Congressional Dictionary.” It would have been natural for Martin Harris to approach Mitchell about the authenticity of the characters from the Gold Plates. Mitchell’s agreement that they were authentic, undoubtedly persuaded Martin Harris to mortgage his farm to pay for the first printing of The Book of Mormon. Professor Charles Anthon certainly didn’t persuade Martin Harris. The JS History, in the Pearl of Great Price doesn’t emphasize the Mitchell visit, but the rejection by Professor Charles Anthon, since Anthon fulfilled Isaiah’s prophecy. Harris is quoted: “I left him and went to Dr. Mitchell, who sanctioned what Professor Anthon had said respecting both the characters and the translation.” There was no doubt in the day who Professor Mitchell was, evidenced by Martin Harris only referring to his surname. MITCHELL WAS FAMOUS! But Mitchell the Naturalist, travelled over much of Western New York and observed many ancient fortifications. This is mentioned here by Richard Bennet: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1491&context=jbms Others observed these ancient fortifications in Western New York. They are referred to in: “Book of Mormon Geography - In Search of Ramah-Cumorah” by Willard Bean & Cecil McGavin, 1948. Reproduced copies can be purchased on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Book-Mormon-Geography-search-Ramah-Cumorah/dp/1937735524/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=willard+bean+in+search&qid=1564895538&s=gateway&sr=8-1 This is the same Willard Bean, the subject of the recently released movie: The Fighting Preacher Bean and McGavin quote these sources: Christopher Morgan, Documentary History of New York, IV, 4 Josiah Priest, American Antiquities, p. 87, 331 E.G. Squire, Antiquities of New York, p.89, 303, 103 E.B.O’Callaghan, The Documentary History of the State of New York, III, 1142, 1143 O.Turner, Pioneer History of the Holland Purchase of Western New York, p. 20, 17-18, Alexander W. Bradford, American Antiquities, p. 36 Samuel H. Brown, Gazetteer of the West, p. 58 J.W. Foster, Pre-historic Races of the United States of America, p. 144 John McIntosh, The Origin of the North American Indians, pp. 285-287 Frederick S. Dellenhaugh, The North American Indians of Yesterday, p.348 I.P. Downs, History of Chautauqua County, p.9 F.W. Beere, History of Herkermer County, p. 7 W.F. Peck, History of Rochester and Monroe Counties, p. 8 Samuel W. Durant, Oneida County, pp. 7, 15 W.W. Clayton, History of Onondaga County, p. 32 L.R. Doty, History of Livingston County, p. 61 I.H. Smith, History of Duchess County, p. 13 J. Thomas Scharf, History of Weschester County of New York, p. 10 J.P. MacClean, The Mound-Builders, p. 144 H.C. Shetrone, The Mound Builders p. 29 Francis Parkman, Jesuits in North America, p. 29 Francis Parkman, The Conspiracy of Pontiac, p. 19 Arthur C. Parker, The Great Algonquin Flint Mines, p. 111, 124 H.E. Abbott, Primitive Industry, pp. 204, 288, 415, 417 In each of these publications, mentioned are ancient defensive works observed throughout Western New York. Many of the same authors also noted the “Indians” could not have built the ancient works, but were constructed by a far more advanced people, who were apparently destroyed by an inferior race. (But that’s not politically-correct today.) Even Heber C. Kimball mentioned in his journal of seeing ancient defensive works near the Hill Cumorah. Mitchell made the same observations that others did, and came up with a theory for it, though incorrect. Yet, these ancient works throughout Western New York, numbered by some as high as 250, were well known in Joseph Smith’s day! To claim they or Mitchell’s theory influenced Joseph Smith in “creating” the Book of Mormon is bogus, since he translated the plates via the Urim and Thummim by the Gift and Power of God. To claim the knowledge of these ancient fortifications throughout Western New York, or Mitchell’s theory influenced the reception of The Book of Mormon, may or may not be correct, as many accepted and also rejected Joseph Smith. But for those who accepted the truthfulness of The Book of Mormon, it solved the puzzle of those ancient works observed in Western New York. But that’s the claim that has to be made in 2019 to support a Two-Cumorah Geography which originated after 1860. That somehow ideas about Western New York are bogus, because you know, the original Hill Cumorah was in Mexico, What is ridiculous, is the RLDS Church, created April 6, 1860, in Amboy, Illinois, with Joseph Smith III as its President, joined by his Mother, Emma, is the same Church that came up with the Two-Cumorah Geography in the 1920s. The RLDS Church in the 1920s couldn’t afford to purchase the New York Cumorah. Willard Bean, “The Fighting Preacher,” was sent by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to Palmyra for that very purpose. When the RLDS Church couldn’t afford to purchase in the 1920s, the New York Cumorah, the RLDS Church created their own Hill Cumorah in Southern Mexico: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=2up;seq=142;skin=mobile The First Presidency of the RLDS Church even created in 1894 a Committee on American Archaeology, though the RLDS theory eventually was modified to the 1920s version, now promoted by LDS members in Utah. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101074867811;view=2up;seq=2;skin=mobile This RLDs Central America theory is a complete fabrication. It’s totally bogus. This “invention” of the Two Hills called Cumorah, the original, allegedly somewhere in Southern Mexico, was an attempt by the RLDS Church to keep it relevant with its belief also of The Book of Mormon. “Hey, we can’t afford to buy the New York hill, we can’t out bid those Brighamites in Salt Lake City, so let’s make one up in Central America!” Thus, Dr. Samuel L. Mitchell’s and the observations of others of the ancient works in Western New York were important. Mitchell’s knowledge of ancient defensive works in Western New York was important in convincing Martin Harris of the Truth. Because it was in Western New York where the final Nephite and Jaredite battles occurred: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90
  4. Was traveling in the desert that uncommon? No, especially since it separated civilizations. So your theory, Nibley’s and Jack Welch’s are false. The Prophet Mormon stated know one knew that Lehi’s group left Jerusalem: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/3-ne/5.20?lang=eng&clang=eng#p19 20 I am Mormon, and a pure adescendant of Lehi. I have reason to bless my God and my Savior Jesus Christ, that he brought our fathers out of the land of Jerusalem, (and bno one knew it save it were himself and those whom he brought out of that land) and that he hath given me and my people so much knowledge unto the salvation of our souls.
  5. Moroni had a sled and what, dragged the plates from Central America/ Southern Mexico? I can only imagine he had to repeatedly bury them when he got hungry and had to go a-hunting and run down his prey, during his travels to upstate New York. ha ha! Are you a member of the Community of Christ Church or of the Restoration Branch? Maybe you can pick up some extra income and be a tour guide for these RLDS/CofC/Restoration Branch youth for their Internship: https://www.bomf.org/internship.html Since you believe in the Two-Cumorah geography theory which originated with the RLDS Church: Page 150 of this 1924 book, published in Independence, MO: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=2up;seq=154;skin=mobile Moroni had a sled.
  6. Well, don’t confuse the website of The Church of the Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org with the website of the Bickertonite sect: http://www.thechurchofjesuschrist.org the word “the” is the operative. Just like you’ve confused the geography of The Book of Mormon proclaimed by Oliver Cowdery in his Letter VII as a “fact” the final battles of the Jaredites and Nephites were at the Hill Cumorah in New York: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90 ..with the geography of The Book of Mormon proclaimed by the RLDS Church as being in Central America and the Hill Cumorah in southern Mexico: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=2up;seq=58;skin=mobile & http://www.hceti.org/ current CofC members Hill Cumorah expeditions to Mexico. There’s no reason to be a big Dummy like those Utah members at Book of Mormon Central headquartered in Springville, Utah County, Utah, you know “Jack” Welch & Kirk Magleby the owners of this private enterprise, Brant Gardner, employee and the younger crowd deceived by their “Elders” for a paycheck. https://bookofmormoncentral.org Then there’s Dr. Daniel Peterson, who with Jack Welch in 1978-1979 founded F.A.R.M.S. to promote the RLDS Book of Mormon geography and sell newsletters promoting the same and begging for donations for “further research” as most University Professors do. This is why Book of Mormon Central above, and Dr. Daniel Peterson of The InterpreterFoundation https://interpreterfoundation.org/ created them as 501(c)(3) Charitable Corporations to get tax-deductible donations received by them as non-taxed because UTAH has a higher population sample of members to deceive with a RLDS Book of Mormon geography theory. Scroll to the bottom of both sites and see their “Begging PayPal Buttons” because Oliver Cowdery was an “Speculator” on the location of the Hill Cumorah being in New York. https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/knowhy/how-are-oliver-cowderys-messenger-and-advocate-letters-to-be-understood-and-used “It is therefore more appropriate that, rather than seeing Oliver’s views on the topic of Book of Mormon geography as being authoritative, prophetic pronouncements, they should be seen as reflections of, if not the main cause behind, popular nineteenth-century Mormon speculation on Book of Mormon geography.” https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/knowhy/how-are-oliver-cowderys-messenger-and-advocate-letters-to-be-understood-and-used You see, Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, and the early members of the Church, many who sacrificed their lives and are your and my ancestors, were “speculators” because this little sect of a band of brothers and sisters in Utah County, Utah have adopted the RLDS Book of Mormon Two-Cumorah geography theory. But the rest of us are also idiots and speculators along with Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery and the early members of the Church, if we don’t believe them. Ha ha ha! (At least the Bickertonites stick to their beliefs.)
  7. Oliver Cowdery under the guidance of Joseph Smith (D&C 9:4) - the Lord called Oliver Cowdery to be scribe for Joseph Smith, the gift of Aaron mentioned in D&C 8, just as Aaron was a spokesman for Moses who was slow of speech, Oliver Cowdery was a scribe for Joseph Smith who was slow at writing, at that period of his life.... Oliver Cowdery wrote eight letters in 1834 in response to “Mormonism Unvailed” as noted in Joseph Smith Papers: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/48 “Cowdery composed the letters to inform the Latter-day Saints of the history of their church, but he also wrote for the non-Mormon public...” “Throughout the series of letters, he defended JS’s character and that of the Smith family, and his explicitly apologetic statements include apparent allusions to both Alexander Campbell’s Delusions(1832) and Eber Howe’s Mormonism Unvailed (1834) (Sidney Rigdon and others left Campell’s flock near Kirtland and joined the Church, thus Campbell’s hostility, apparently.) https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/50 “...write from his mouth, as he translated with the Urim and Thummim, or, as the Nephites should have said, [“]Interpreter..” Thus the Stone in a Hat was an anti-mormon lie and defended against as far back as 1834, yet here it’s claimed to be the truth in a Church video, a video created by BookofMormonCentral, the same organization that claims the Hill Cumorah is in Mexico which was contrived by the RLDS Church. Ha ha ha!
  8. Yeah right. ha ha! LDS Scholars. phew. ”archeology of ... Book of Mormon” From the RLDS Church when it couldn’t afford to purchase the Hill Cumorah in New York, in the 1920s, so to remain legitimate with its belief in The Book of Mormon, created a new Hill Cumorah in Mexico. ha ha ha! “New Light on American Archaeology” 1926 book, page 55 https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89058377359;view=2up;seq=58;skin=mobile “Stone in a hat” - from anti-mormon “Mormonisn Unvailed” pages 77-78, 1834 ha ha ha! https://archive.org/details/mormonismunvaile00howe/page/76 Stick to the scriptures. The Lord knows English. Scholars mix things up: Scribes, Pharisees...
  9. Totally bogus. This contradicts the D&C and JSH in the PofGP that the plates were translated by the Urim and Thummim. Joseph Smith stated the title page was the last leaf on the plates, but how would he have known that if he only read words from a rock, which isn’t translation, but dictation? In addition, in D&C 8 and 9, he was to work it out in the translation process, thus those off quoted Sections. The low IQ BookofMormonCentral, obviously made this video due to the Know Why phrase, then some numbskull employee in the Church put it up on its youtube channel. But it’s the argument used by Howe in his anti-mormon “Mormonism Unvailed” when the Church was in Kirtland, OH. https://archive.org/details/mormonismunvaile00howe/page/76 pages 77-78 bottom paragraph then on to page 78 Thus BookofMormonCentral is promoting an anti-mormon claim!! Ha ha ha! 😄 The obvious story is, since Joseph Smith was commanded by the Angel Moroni not to show the gold plates and the Urim and Thummim to anyone, when approached by curiosity seekers, Joseph Smith may have used a rock in a hat as an example, not that he actually translated that way. Thus the false claims and current silly Church scholars promoting it.
  10. Here’s the map with Zarahemla and other Book of Mormon cities noted on it: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/early-1900s-book-mormon-maps-1789879546
  11. Dan also has a new hairdo after watching reruns of Ancient Aliens and the Sci-Fi Channel about the Nazca Lines and figures: After making a meditated or medicated connection between Peru and Mesoamerica for Book of Mormon geography based on the Nazca Monkey figure, Dan continues to copy from RLDS Church member Elder H.A. Stebbins who placed Book of Mormon geography in Northern South America and Central America. Quote: “I sat down and began to go over the antiquarian writings of John L. Stephens, Josiah Priest, J.D. Baldwin, C. G. Foster, H. H. Bancro:fit, Desire Charney, W. H. Prescott, and other historians. The first distinct instDuction given me was, "Take the Jaredites first, as the first people who came." ”In ,the first I was astonished at the clear proofs brought to my attention, those I had never heard any of our ministers use nor seen in any writings. As I continued the Holy Spirit bore witness ,to me in such power and gave me light I had never had before. All fear and dread left me and I made page after page of references and quotations to use in the sermons. Therefore I wrote Brother Cri<ck that I would come, even though it would throw upon me a great burden of labor at nighttime, on the church records, in additon to day labors after my return ,to Lamoni, to make ready for General Conference. I took with me nearly all the above named hqoks as proofs for our claims. On arrival I found that Brother Wallace Robinson had made a very large map of the south half of Nor,th America, all of Mexico and Central America and the north half of South Ameri~a. It helped me greatly. I con- tinued nine evenings. Although there was deep snow yet the audiences continued large each night. Sister Belle Robinson was the shorthand repor.ter and the result was published in the Ensign during several months. I finally revised the whole thing and it was published by the Board of Publication and has been on sale year after year. For the truth's sake I am glad the sermons were given. I did not ask for nor have I re- ceived any income from the sale of the books.” Biography of Henry A. Stebbins, published 1919, member of the RLDS Church, born 1844, page 34-35 of the pdf http://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100746.pdf You know I’m teasing you, Dan. But seriously, can’t you come up with something original other than using ideas from a dead guy from the RLDS Church from 1919? Especially, when you don’t believe Oliver Cowdery from 1834? https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1834-1836/90
  12. They were not Apostles, they were called Disciples. The Twelve Nephite Disciples are answerable to the Twelve Apostles. 1 Nephi 12:6-10 So your lack of knowledge reveals your nitpicking. 3 Nephi 19:22 answers your question. You don’t need all the other junk mentioned in this thread.
  13. 20 I am Mormon, and a pure adescendant of Lehi. I have reason to bless my God and my Savior Jesus Christ, that he brought our fathers out of the land of Jerusalem, (and bno one knew it save it were himself and those whom he brought out of that land) and that he hath given me and my people so much knowledge unto the salvation of our souls. No one knew of Lehi’s group. They encountered no one. To claim Ishmael died at some population center called NHM contradicts the text. “Wait, Dad! Don’t die, Nahom is just ahead over the next wadi!” How convenient for a dying man to die while not receiving help from people in NHM. “They’ll have food and medicine!” I also have issue with the claim Lehi’s group followed the Incense Trail either southward or eastward to Bountiful. Bountiful was prepared by The Lord for Lehi’s group as the text states, it wasn’t a Riviera for travelers on the incense trail. The reason why they were commanded not to use fire was to not be seen by others. It’s also laughable how Book of Mormon Central knows the Arabia Peninsula is much much larger than Mesoamerica, about the size of Western Europe. Yet, while it took Lehi’s group 8 years to get to Bountiful, Book of Mormon Central claims Lehi’s and Mulek’s descendants spent the next 1,000 years in teeny-tiny Mesoamerica. LAUGHABLE. But it makes sense when you realize, Book of Mormon Central teaches the RLDS geography theory for The Book of Mormon, which is where the Mesoamerica Theory came from, from the apostate RLDS Church. see the Maya pyramids at 0.36 in the above video. RLDS slide presentation: http://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100353.pdf
  14. Family / Temple / Sealing 12 And as I partook of the fruit thereof it filled my soul with exceedingly great ajoy; wherefore, I began to be bdesirous that my family should partake of it also; for I knew that it was cdesirable above all other fruit. 7 Behold, I give unto you apower, that whatsoever ye shall bsealon earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven; and thus shall ye have power among this people. 8 And thus, if ye shall say unto this temple it shall be rent in twain, it shall be done.
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