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    Wayment & Givens interview

    A couple of thoughts. As I mentioned in my earlier post, my frame of reference for the term spiritual experience is instances of communion with Deity during which pure love and rest are felt. These spirit to spirt experiences are unmistakable. They’re not experiences I ascribe any secondary meaning to (e.g. because I felt this I should do that, or there’s some message/subtext associated with the experience). So there’s not really anything for me to go back and reconsider regarding the meaning. Spiritual promptings can be considered a subset of spiritual experiences which is why I sought clarification on your point of reference. I think everyone who has had spiritual promptings becomes more adept over time at identifying and understanding such promptings. Part of developing that spiritual muscle is revisiting prior promptings and understanding where we may have better identified and acted on those promptings. But with respect to what I’ve termed communion with Deity, the meaning— that God and Christ are aware of and love you, is clear and unmistakable. And as I noted earlier, the same clear and unchanged message accompanies each new communion. Which is why I believe my efforts are better spent on new communion, rather than re-evaluation of prior communion. To analogize to something trivial, I think most of us would prefer to drink another milkshake over reconceptualizing the last time we drank a milkshake.
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    Wayment & Givens interview

    You interpret your current spiritual experiences differently than those you had as a young man, but do you now interpret the ones you had as a young man differently than when you had them? That is what I think HFT is asking.
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    Wayment & Givens interview

    I think the last sentence of my prior post explains my perspective from a practical standpoint. I read your comment to say the purpose of reconceptualizing and renegotiating prior spiritual experiences is to determine whether you might understand them differently today than you did when they occurred. If you’re having deep and poignant spiritual experiences on a regular basis that result in the same feelings of pure love, enlightenment, and rest as prior ones, what purpose would be served by re-examining prior experiences? They’re consistently unmistakable.
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    Wayment & Givens interview

    I’m not sure what your point of reference is when you speak of spiritual experiences but mine includes communion with Deity. Such experiences are unmistakable and unforgettable. If Dr. Wayment has had those experiences it’s perfectly understandable to me that he wouldn’t want to renegotiate or reconceptualize them. I wouldn’t with mine. Instead I recreate them by going through the same process that brought forth the previous experiences, and experience the same pure love and rest (i.e. freedom from fear and doubt).
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    Video games

    Don’t play. Have never played. Didn’t ever buy a video game console for my children. Never understood the attraction. Don’t begrudge those who do.
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    The ministry of reconciliation

    Thanks for the link. I’d suggest a much shorter list applicable to all religions. Any religion should apologize for (and work to rectify) any circumstance where someone has an experience with a church/religion which leads them to believe that the church/religion considers itself a sine qua non for access to Diety or spirituality. Way too often an experience with religion leads one to never attempt or stop trying to seek Deity and that is tragic. I think it would happen less frequently if all religion made it clear that their central purpose is helping you discover and then enhance your relationship with God. Included as a subset to my one item list would be an apology from our friends in mainstream Christian churches who presume that they have the right to define who is a Christian.
  7. I don’t believe the author seeks to identify challenges that need fixing. Instead, the author seeks to find a secular explanation for high levels of devotion among LDS folks, demonstrated by doing things like serving missions (and parents rejoicing in their children serving missions). My takeaway from the article was that little, if any, of the proffered explanations have anything to do with my devotion, the source and drive of which is communion with the divine, which points me to, and confirms my continued devotion to His church. The temple covenants cited are a consequence, not a source of, my devotion. If there is a challenge to be discussed and addressed it is that the cited explanations might too often explain the source of devotion rather than a knowledge and love of God. Btw, I don’t work in academia, but I kind of doubt compiling a bunch of information you receive from folks on reddit is considered rigorous researching and sourcing.
  8. Not a fan of the fact that the article quotes temple covenants.
  9. My experience is that many people have a restaurant they continue to frequent because the food is so delicious even though the staff isn’t as friendly as they could be.
  10. “Winning” isn’t the way I’d characterize the purpose for any conversation with anyone regarding spiritual matters.
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    Love Everyone Equally?

    I invite you to consider that it wasn’t an accident that Jesus chose a Samaritan and a Jew as the two principal characters in the story you referenced.
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    Rumors of Changes to Temple Worship

    Btw, I was profoundly moved by your description of how you and your wife had sought to understand and live the covenant, the wording of which has now changed. I could feel of the depth of devotion, over many years, you have both demonstrated to that covenant. I thank you for sharing those experiences.
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    Rumors of Changes to Temple Worship

    Absolutely. Additional spiritual gifts, skills, and characteristics to be gleaned from our earnest, unwavering pursuit of spiritual guidance and communion with Deity.
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    Rumors of Changes to Temple Worship

    I agree it may be out of past patterns, but seems to be consistent with the theme of all recent changes which is to not expect to be given specific direction, but rather to ponder ourselves and be led by the Spirit. I wonder how many of us ever pondered the significance of ceremonial garb and why we did what we did with that garb. I trust that if we seek to understand that now in order to provide context for understanding why the change was made, the Spirit will teach us in a much more profound way than any official explanation. It’s the principle Elder Bednar taught when he said the best teachers he ever had didnt answer his questions but rather allowed him to find the answers on his own. It’s those answers we discover through our diligence that stay with us much longer than those fed to us without the need of effort on our part.