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SettingDogStar

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  1. Others have been resurrected since the Saviors death. Peter and James are good examples. Moroni is the pinnacle example of course because he resides on our temples. So while the majority will be risen when the Savior comes again, there have been a few brought forth for various missions. Now that the Savior has the keys I see no reason why He wouldn’t utilize them when needed.
  2. They actually still sell it today!!! 😂
  3. Sure, but when I hug my concert after her amazing baptism and spiritual experience and then i get in trouble there is something very wrong with what we are instilling in our elders and sisters. Hugs are not “inappropriate” unless someone makes it clear they do not want one.
  4. Exactly. A great example would be J. Golden Kimball. He was always a little on edge but drank coffee for years without any repercussions into the 20th century.
  5. Purchasing liquor for entertainment purposes?
  6. Probably depends on your ward and the people in it. I’ve had home teachers and visiting teachers give me really weird looks when they see my coffee maker, but yet others don’t even notice.
  7. According to historian Will Bagley, “Salt Lake City gadfly Josiah Gibbs noted that during 1868, when Salt Lake City controlled all liquor sales, Brigham Young purchased $128.25 worth of liquor—strictly for entertainment. That same year, the Deseret News itself spent $189.46 on liquor.” Mark Twain visited Utah in 1861, then Nevada Territory, met Brigham Young and wrote about the pioneer whiskey: “The exclusive Mormon refresher; Valley Tan is a kind of whisky, or first cousin to it; is of Mormon invention and manufactured only in Utah. Tradition says it is made of [imported] fire and brimstone. If I remember rightly, no public drinking saloons were allowed in the kingdom by Brigham Young, and no private drinking permitted among the faithful, except they confined themselves to Valley Tan.” (from Roughing It, Mark Twain, 1872) There’s post-1867 endorsement.
  8. Same thing with “hugging” the opposite sex. There is not rule, at all, about it. However, there is a pervasive thing among members and missioanries that is forbidden and a rule because it’s considered flirting. What silly things we make our missionaries do.
  9. But Brigham never formally stopped it because it continued into the 1920s.
  10. I’ve never really agreed with that at least in regard to this particular revelation, but I don’t see anything directly wrong with it. God made it clear that it was not by commandment but some words of wisdom and that it was purely for our temporal, not spiritual, salvation. Always sounded to me like solid health advice for the time. I like to think of it like the ban on shellfish in the OT. It seems weird, but at the time there wasn’t a good way to clean out shellfish (cause they’re disgusting sea creatures) so it protected them.
  11. A whole dozen recommends for the 2a?! Holy cow haha
  12. I believe it took multiple days in Nauvoo, the first time. Lemme see if I can find that source. Or at the very least after the ceremony Joseph continued instruction for another few days. Also I’m not sure of any true injunction stopping members from “practicing” outside the temple. That one letter only discontinued stake held circles, but didn’t specify individual members...technically.
  13. Sometimes to much so. The other possibility is that Nephi was also misunderstanding the literalness of his scriptures as well. It might be “the most correct book” but that could just be in reference to the principles or salvation, not specific doctrines like this.
  14. They went from multiple days of instruction (depending on the company) to 90 minutes of script. I think we lost a ton. Plus just because change is made you can’t actually confirm it’s correct, that’s what happened with the Catholic Church.
  15. I’d say it’s greatly decreased if anything, my opinion though.
  16. Actually it’s possible because the Melchizedek priesthood exists outside of any office. An office restricts an individual in the church from performing certain functions in order to create a hierarchy and assigns them duties among the members. There is no portion of the Melchizedek priesthood, you have it all the moment youre given it. However, you are restricted from doing certain things in the church by your office. You’re not granting the dead more “prieshood” then you have, because you have it all. You’re just leaving it up to the leaders in the Spirit world to give them a Role/duty/office, or whatever that consists of in that world (it obviously isn’t organized like our side.)
  17. All I'm saying is that we seemingly don't need to ordain them to any office at all. Just bestow the priesthood without an office at all. Let those in the spirit world assign them duties and roles. The office of Elder has not always existed, (seemingly only in our church and the primitive church) so why ordain the dead to it? Just bestow the Melchizedek Priesthood, as any Elder in our church can, and then move on. I just don't understand what the purpose of giving them an office in the Mortal LDS Church is since they can't fulfill their earthly duties in it.
  18. I’m confused. I’m talking about ordaining the dead to the office of Elder.
  19. That’s more what i mean. Just lay hands upon the head in proxy for bestowing the preisthood, no need to separately ordain to an office. Offices didn’t seem to exist in Adams time, they just had the priesthood and acted as what we would now see as the office of “patriarchs.”
  20. Well it’s not really, to me, a “why not?” Question. It literally seems pointless haha the church has been organized so many different ways throughout history that ordaining everyone to an elder is just silly. Also im not saying that someone should figure it out later. If someone has died and gone to paradise they are in the hands of the righteous and they should be the ones to figure it out since they understand how the work/church/organization works on that side and we don’t. Why force our church organization onto people who live in a state of which we don’t understand? It always felt very silly to me since they I obvioulsy must structer themsveles differently.
  21. It seems odd to me to ordain them to any office at all. Offices have changed dramatically from the beginning of the world to now, which makes it obvious to me that the “other side” and the celestial kingdom are not organized the way our church is. Not even the Original Church was organized like ours. So why ordain then to an office at all? We don’t know the needs of the other side! Christ chose his missionary force from among he righteous and I can assume that many of them probably didn’t hold any “office” except they held the High Priesthood. So just give them the priesthood and let the next side figure it out.
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