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  1. I have a feeling that the parties (with some prodding by the judge) will stipulate to a dismissal without prejudice. Technically, it would mean Denson could re-file, but I expect the claim eventually to go gentle into that good night. I remember some ex-Mos accusing the judge of bias (being that he’s reportedly LDS and a BYU grad) when he dismissed most of the original complaint on SOL grounds. If anything, he’s been bending over backward, to the church’s detriment, to be “fair” to Denson. I think most judges not only would have granted the motion to dismiss as to all claims, but they would since have dismissed the suit for Denson’s failure to respond to discovery requests or to comply with court orders. Certain classes of people always seem to flog the wrong cases to promote a narrative. I know I felt a strange fascination with Denson’s sensational claims when the December 2017 audio recording surfaced, even though I felt all along that there would have to be a succession of other accusers and/or solid circumstantial corroboration—from those who knew Denson best in the MTC—to prove the allegations. I don’t know how much of a perv Robert L. Bishop really is, but I think it’s safe to say he’s not a Mormon Harvey Weinstein, as Denson predicted he’d be known.
  2. I apologize for not reading through the entire thread to understand where it’s gone, but I have two thoughts: (1) what would the early Saints (~1840) have thought if they’d known that at least 180 more years would pass with no Second Coming? and (2) what will happen to the church if many more generations pass without the fulfillment of that prophecy? I don’t think the early Saints would have felt as much urgency to “gather in scattered Israel,” and I believe the church will have to perform some hard-to-predict doctrinal contortions in the future to try to stay relevant in an increasingly godless and faithless world.
  3. The cynic in me wonders how many new hymns with lyrics written by current apostles will appear in the new hymnal. Theoretically, the royalties from having a hymn published could be massive.
  4. Yeah, just like they've stepped into the breach to fund the scouts now that the latter are more tolerant and accepting and the church is getting out. [Snicker.]
  5. The problem is simple—Denson can’t pay a lawyer on an hourly basis and no lawyer with any business acumen will touch the case on a contingent-fee basis. Denson’s accusations haven’t triggered a cavalcade of other Bishop accusers, and so little is known about the ones there are that I put little or no stock in them. The anti-Mos have milked all the bad publicity pertaining to the church that there was to be had. All that’s left is (a) the word of a woman with crippling credibility issues against (b) the word of an old man with severe memory issues, in (c) a case based on events that supposedly happened 35+ years ago. The sad part is that we probably won’t ever hear now from Denson’s ex-husband or her MTC companion and/or district-mates.
  6. “I’ve got demons running all through me, all through me....”
  7. In terms of conference predictions, I make this one: the speakers will use the word “supernal” between 6 and 8 times across the five sessions. However did this arcane word become so popular among the top tiers of church leadership?
  8. In my observations, both of the SLC papers have recently tried to moderate their coverage of the church. The Trib actually seems somewhat less critical, whereas the DN doesn’t seem quite as glowing in its coverage. I suspect it’s all due to the ongoing death throes of print media and different outlets’ efforts to stay afloat. I’ve had numerous comments disallowed by the DN’s moderators for no apparent reason other than that they might have offended some segment of nonmembers (or U. Utah fans, or some combination of both). And I’m not sure I’ve yet to have a comment approved with the DN’s new moderation system.
  9. So, supposedly Denson has her pick of three law firms and is trying to decide on one? That seems pretty unlikely—we’ll see.
  10. I think the point of filing what seem like frivolous, even stupid lawsuits is to push the envelope of what the courts will allow to be litigated. Fifty years ago, who would have thought that class-action suits against tobacco companies, never mind suits asserting a constitutional right to same-sex marriage, would produce the results they have done? I never underestimate what activist courts are capable of.
  11. It would be nice to know the unalloyed truth, whatever that is. For all the speculation and efforts to interpret the muddled evidence that has come out, it’s still literally the case that the truth could lie anywhere in a range between an MTC president’s having had inappropriate conversations with sister missionaries (and the church’s having no inkling of it as an institution until much later) and said MTC president’s having tried to force himself sexually on a sister missionary (or two?) in a manner legally constituting rape (and the church’s knowing about it but leaving him in that assignment until his term was up). If the news media had been doing their job, we would long ago have had input from other accusers (including the other MTC accuser), people who’ve known Bishop at various stages of his career, Denson’s ex-husband, missionaries who knew Denson in the MTC and interacted with her there for hours on end every day, and law-enforcement agencies that have either arrested Denson or investigated various allegations made by her over the years. But people seem to prefer inkblots, and that’s the perfect description of this case.
  12. There could never have been any question, as a statistical matter, that more missionaries would come home early when the starting ages were lowered. It undoubtedly has “captured” at least a percentage of the young people who might otherwise have drifted away after high school, but it goes without saying that 18-year-olds are less mature and less able to bear adversity than are 19-year-olds. There was always going to be a downside.
  13. Well, if a black brother ordinance worker can wear dreads, I want to be able to grow a beard.
  14. The people in question were well on their way out in any case; I’m confident I played no major part in it. (I wasn’t the SS instructor, by the way.) Moreover, we had young married women who were getting offended in Relief Society along the same lines, so the generational divide was/is pretty systemic. I will say this: it’s pretty difficult to talk about church history, or even how the advent of the US contributed to the Restoration of the Gospel, without getting into politics on some level. I will also say this: people who make lots of noise about church history being the reason for their apostasy seem like so many Claude Raineses exclaiming, “I’m shocked—shocked!—to find inconsistencies and inaccuracies in the official accounts!” It’s usually a pretense for some other source of dissatisfaction, something to which I’m not unsympathetic.
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