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  1. SouthernMo

    Evolution

    Holy .... This teaching is currently on LDS.org I had heard that some leaders taught this years ago (and had written it off as an odd or uninformed opinion), but the current LDS Bible Dictionary (death) clearly states that physical death was introduced to the world by the fall of Adam! This is the official position of our church?!?! Nothing died before Adam did? How did plants grow without organic decay? How did cells of ingested plants not get stripped of their nutrients to feed the consuming organisms? I am trying so so so hard to stay in “Old Ship Zion.” Would my faith be stronger if I just accepted this teaching, and rejected biology basics?
  2. SouthernMo

    Evolution

    If someone has a reference on this, that would be AWESOME. Please share. If correct, Joseph Smith would have nailed the approximate age of the earth about a hundred years before scientific consensus on this. Many years before radio-carbon dating made this possible.
  3. SouthernMo

    Evolution

    Could be. But that is not stated in D&C 77. Where is this doctrine of the earth’s spiritual transformation taught? I’m sorry, but the easier, more simple answer is that this section is not revelation, and that Joseph Smith was incorrectly espousing common Judeo-Christian beliefs of the time.
  4. SouthernMo

    Evolution

    You’re teaching something that is not stated at all in that section. Where are these teachings that you’re claiming coming from?
  5. SouthernMo

    Evolution

    This is my problem. I don’t know what we Mormons are supposed to believe. Because my beliefs do not align with scriptures we Mormons sustain, I’m wondering if there is room for my beliefs. Big tent, but big enough for me?
  6. SouthernMo

    Evolution

    Thinking about this... wonder why God gave such a clear statement in scripture in 1832 that needed to be clarified 170 years later in a student manual? Would have thought the revealed word of god would have been superior to a study guide? Sometimes I just do not understand how this church has ‘doctrine’ that needs occasional revision when science shows it to be wrong? Maybe D&C 77:6 wasn’t doctrine, but a policy?
  7. SouthernMo

    Evolution

    So if the age of the earth is 7,000 years, we can still believe that dinosaurs evolved into lizards and birds within this 7,000-year period?
  8. SouthernMo

    Evolution

    Explain
  9. SouthernMo

    Evolution

    So man has only been on earth for 7,000 years, and the LDS position is that any evidence of humans before 5,000(ish) BC is either a hoax or falsely dated?
  10. SouthernMo

    Evolution

    In a few places, I’ve seen that the LDS church has no official views on evolution. Joseph Smith is supposed to have received revelation in 1832 that the earth is 7,000 years old (D&C 77:6). How are we to sustain the D&C as true revelation, yet officially reject that teaching? Are there other scriptural teachings LDS officially reject?
  11. SouthernMo

    Oaks on Religious Freedom

    Mark my words: One day, years from now the LDS church leadership will not only allow, but embrace same-sex couples. They will be married in the temple if they’d like. There will be an official declaration indicating such. As a result, leaders and members will then carefully explain that The Family: a Proclamation to the World or any other statement, teaching, or handbook policy that restricted or separated homosexuals was not really an LDS Church teaching. Rather, it will be explained away as men speaking in their homophobic times and attitudes. And we will be asked to embrace again some other teaching as doctrine that will change in another future generation. The cycle will continue in this church until we become less dogmatic, and more principled.
  12. SouthernMo

    Oaks on Religious Freedom

    Heck no. This is a very good point. I’m just trying to get a grasp of what I’m actually a member of - what I’m actually sustaining? What are ‘church teachings?’ What is “the church?” Really not sure I belong or want to be in this club anymore because the dynamic vagueness coupled with living leaders’ authoritarianism that results in quasi-logical coercion because the leaders control the property and ordinances. There are too many who exclude because of their personal interpretations of what a Mormon should believe, and I don’t want to be part of a group in which the majority don’t like what I believe (or don’t believe).
  13. SouthernMo

    Oaks on Religious Freedom

    This is a struggle for me. On the one hand, Joseph Smith seems to have opened the door for individuals to find truth for themselves; or in some sense to establish their own doctrine. On the other hand, there have been enough statements made by church leaders that indicate that what leaders say is prophetic, and hence doctrine. Suddenly, a ‘quote arms race’ ensues when there is ambiguity. We argue over which leader said it, and when, and how, and to whom. Somehow we weigh these issues in an ambiguous decision matrix, and throw in a splash of ‘I’m going to believe what I want to believe’, and try to control others and divide ourselves based on our ‘testimonies’ that we are right, and the other is wrong. Whew!!! That was a frustrated run-on sentence! 😊
  14. SouthernMo

    Oaks on Religious Freedom

    This is honestly a very good point. Hadn’t thought about that. It seems to me that what is taught by “the LDS church” versus what is taught by men who lead the church is very vague and subjective, and can lead to lead to a sense of god-given moral superiority. There are teachings and doctrine in the D&C that are ignored today, so it’s hard for me to see that the LDS church sees that book as official teachings. But, after my studies, I still believe that it’s pretty clear when the first presidency issues a statement it’s about as clear as it can be that “the church” teaches it.
  15. SouthernMo

    Oaks on Religious Freedom

    Lastly - why would Brigham Young need support for his words? Isn't he supposed to have been a prophet? Can't he declare what is truth (new revelation w/o scriptural basis)? Wonder why David O. McKay didn't accept Brigham Young's words...
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