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  1. I’m not asking about what Catholics believe. I’m talking about what historians believe. What is more likely true than the legends and traditions that support the authoritative narrative.
  2. In not knowing how early priesthood holders reacted, it seems like you are basing your understanding on what you hope they felt and did. This subject of what happened with the 12 and Christ’s followers is interesting. Most Mormons I know claim with such certainty that some kind of apostasy happened. Yet, few have studied the time and the records of the time to explain what that means and how that jives with our ideas of priesthood and keys today.
  3. And you’re certain that the people 2000 (ish) years ago did not petition the lord?
  4. Not following how losing the keys back then was a problem, but that today it wouldn’t be a problem to lose them.
  5. Ok, so just like when Christ’s original apostles died, many kept their authority, and the church went on?
  6. Take a closer look at the actual history of church leadership. The keys Peter received were more akin to how Joseph Smith organized the church leadership than how Brigham young modified it to what we see today. James was the head of the Jerusalem church.
  7. I had assumed perhaps it was the teacher who asked the Sunday school president to address the issue. Maybe I’m wrong. Thanks for capitalizing and bolding the word “president.” It made your message much clearer.
  8. Seems more like an insecure teacher...
  9. Interesting... so you see the church and it’s authority and ordinances as all about setting you up for a reward in heaven? I like to think that this LDS faith and other faiths also help us become better people - which is a reward in and of itself. But you’d embrace hedonism in the absence of a post-mortal reward? So much for a change of heart...
  10. In the historical context, it makes a lot more sense if one sees Jesus as not establishing a new faith, but promoting Judaism among Jews. I’m well aware that this rubs against the writings of Paul, and the rest of Christianity’s theology. But, historically, this paradigm explains a lot.
  11. For the jokes, or for the hats?
  12. So... Mormonism or nothing? Join another Christian church?
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