Jump to content


  • Content Count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Community Reputation

8 Neutral

About aussieguy55

  • Rank
    Member: Moves Upon the Waters

Recent Profile Visitors

The recent visitors block is disabled and is not being shown to other users.

  1. aussieguy55

    Is the Bible self-authenticating?

    David Bokovoy has done a really challenging interview on the Mormon scriptures on Mormonstories. Most interesting were his comments on Isaiah. 1 &2 and possibly 3 parts. I thought listening to David how much the LDS church has changed, can there be unorthodox views alongside the orthodox. He mad some strong arguments for the multiple Isaiah question.
  2. aussieguy55

    David Bokovoy on Mormon Stories

    The most recent interview on Mormonstories David shares his views. One wonders where he is really at this time. The LDS excommunicated Quinn and yet David has views that a a really challenge to LDS orthodoxy. How can you view the Book of Mormon as 19th Century and accept Jesus paid the peoples in America a visit.
  3. aussieguy55

    Eugene Petersen, Bono and The Message

    Mormon blogger's thoughts https://religionnews.com/2018/10/23/7-thoughts-on-christian-living-from-eugene-peterson/
  4. Eugene Petersen the author of the version of the Bible called The Message has passed away. He appears in a youtube video with singer Bono who found his renditions of the Bible appealing. People brought up on the KJV might find his translation a bit irreverent. I like his writing of the psalms which I believe is a manner in which one can approach God raw and honest.
  5. aussieguy55

    Stan Larson interviews Hugh Nibley

    Who profited from the publication of his works?. He did not seem happy with this as he seemed feel that such publication would not show work of a good standard(nor revised and checked).
  6. Nibley makes a frank comment about his own work and the also on the historicity of the Book of Mormon. https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=828253 SL: Looking back at your career, important work that you've what is the most written, either article or book, or what do you feel the proudest about? HN: The ones I'm the proudest about are those, the classical, the Greco-Roman studies. I've tried so hard to get the F.A.R.M.S. people to print them, instead of the garbage they've been getting out of mine. I don't like the stuff they've been printing. SL: Don't they plan to reprint everything? HN: Which is absurd, because there's bad stuff as well as good stuff. It makes me so angry. They should not reprint everything. SL: But no one knows what's good and what's bad, except you, and you don't have the time. "One of Larson’s questions was: „Do you think there is any kind of a legitimate place for a more modern view of The Book of Mormon that places the value in these characterizations [sc. of personages in the Book of Mormon] and the moral principles in the book, but lacking any historical"? Nibley answered: „Oh, they do that all the time, of course. I know General Authorities who do that, have done that – they’re not living now – who have done that very thing.“ But he refused to give a name, only adding: „a very high General Authority“. I wonder if this was Hugh B Brown.
  7. Thanks for your reply. I obviously disagree with you on a lot of things you write "the still missing scroll' argument" for example. I think there is evidence that the "slave/anubis" in Fac 3 has had his face de-dogged. (Check out the printer's plates). Anyway I find discussion on these matters with LDS ends up giving me a migraine because one has to answer with extreme certainty every point raised. I have read and listened to Gee and Ritner's arguments and find nothing compelling to support the historicity of the book. Klaus Baer in several letters to Walters considered Nibley's interpretations as bizarre and come for the fringes of Egyptology. Anyway thanks and I'll leave it at that.
  8. What do you think are the most compelling arguments for the historicity of the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham? What if one is an honest skeptic?
  9. For the Mormon apologist what is considered an attack on your faith and what is considered just a disagreement.
  10. If Gee were to apply for a position in Egyptology in a secular university would his publishing record with regards to the Book of Abraham go against his getting an appointment or is his doomed to spend the rest of his career in the Religious Education department.
  11. aussieguy55

    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    As raised in a conservative Lutheran (Missouri Synod type) church spent my late teens and young adulthood in the Mormon church then leaving and trying others it was always hard to get use to the less activity required in other churches. My wife went with the Pentecostals i tried but being brought up listening to J S Bach Hillsong type music was not my thing. Wesley P Walters would find me today a too liberal Christian for his liking. Peter Enns explains it well in The Bible Tells Me So " "If your present community sees your spiritual journey as a problem because you are wandering off their beach blanket, it may be time to find another community. One should never do that impulsively. But if after a time you are sensing that you do not belong, that you are a problem to be corrected rather than a valued member of the community, maybe God is calling you elsewhere and to find for yourself that 'they' aren’t so bad after all. That decision is very personal (sometimes involving whole families) and can take some courage to make, but it is worth the risk. One thing is certain: if you stay where you are without any change at all, the pressure to either conform or keep quiet will work in you like a slow-acting poison. And if you go too far down that road, it can be a tough haul coming back from bitterness and resentment— especially for children." Peter Enns, The Bible Tells Me So: Why Defending Scripture Has Made Us Unable to Read It (p. 241). LDS Apologetics which I have followed has not convinced me otherwise. The Book of Abraham issue was the issue. Gee's recent Fair presentation gave me no answers. But I and my wife don't regret our time made some good friends who friendship continues even though we took different paths.
  12. aussieguy55

    Elder Pearson at FairMormon

    I thought poverty would be more caused by the policies of Governments who move money upwards.
  13. aussieguy55

    Elder Pearson at FairMormon

    Every member a blogger or Everyone have their own Youtube Channel. That could be dangerous. I have commented in many videos submitted by Trumpsters. The internet is so valuable in searching and posting evidence to support ones view. I remember how easy it was to find evidence that most of the red states were among the poorest and the wealthiest were blue states. In discussing the historicity of the early OT one can find plenty of youtube videos by Enns Finkelstein and Dever. Do a search "Mormon Critics" and most of the first page list apologetic sites. Must be some clever IT people among the LDS.
  14. I watched all of Gee's presentation and I was somewhat disappointed as he did not respond that much on the BOA. He was asked if he would respond to the response of Robert Ritner to the Gospel Topic essay on the BOA. Amazing response. From my position I kind of felt sorry for him. He set off a firestorm on FB and elsewhere. People like Randell Bowen were disappointed with it. Is there another September Six type event coming?
  15. aussieguy55

    Jaradites meet the Siberians?

    My brother's local Lutheran pastor told him he had he DNA checked and there was some neanderthal there. Seeley over on Biologos.org discusses local flood theory.https://biologos.org/blogs/archive/the-flood-not-global-barely-local-mostly-theological-pt-1 https://biologos.org/blogs/archive/the-flood-not-global-barely-local-mostly-theological-pt-2 https://biologos.org/blogs/archive/the-flood-not-global-barely-local-mostly-theological-pt-3 https://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/otesources/01-genesis/text/articles-books/seely_babel_wtj.pdf