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  1. I am a born-again Christian AND a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. My religion is exactly the same religion as the early first-century Christian fathers. Not an approximation, not an evolution, but the same exact religion. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints isn't a type of Christianity. it IS Christianity. To say it isn't is historically inaccurate.
  2. My mission president was worried about potential honor killings due to religious conversion and advised us not to target Muslims for formal teaching. I do not personally know if this fear was valid, invalid, or only very occasionally valid.
  3. Some of my best memories from my mission were befriending and talking with French Algerians. I don't know what German Turks are like, but I noticed that French Algerians were often much nicer and more open to missionaries than just about everyone else. There were limits, per the mission rules, to actually teaching French Algerians, due to the Church respecting Islam's tradition of non-proselyting, but we were allowed (and encouraged) to socialize and befriend.
  4. My mission was in the early 2000s in France
  5. Remember how you said you were trying to understand the experiences of those who didn't like their missions? I think a big difference is right here. Aside from my mission president issues, my mission was a complete numbers-driven pressure cooker. We were told we were supposed to be baptizing monthly. Since no one was getting this (you were lucky to baptize once your entire mission), there was a big push towards teaching a certain number of first discussions a week (this was in the day of the six discussions). We were told to miss P-day if we had to to get our target discussions. Basically, it was all about grinding numbers, which is apparently very different from how mission work is done now. As a very introverted person who could barely even talk to girls in high school, I had a very, very hard time with this kind of mission. I certainly never had very good stats, and things just never took off, even though for the most part I worked hard. I also feel I never really adjusted fully to doing missionary work - it always felt "weird" for me. I think my mission may be an anomaly - most people have really good experiences and miss their missions when it is over. I did not, and I do not, despite the fact I am still active and believing after rebuilding my testimony. I kind of wonder if I would do better under the current guidelines than how things were run back then.
  6. Wow. Thank you for sharing that. I have shared, on this forum, that I did not have a very good mission. While many things about my mission were less than ideal, an experience that I had that was almost identical to this, but with my mission president (not a seventy, and he had been out for less than a year), kind of cemented in my mind that my mission was a waste, a failure, and a disappointment to all involved, and caused me to basically disavow the whole experience. The experience has caused me a lot of grief and some serious questioning for the decade and a half that I have been home, to the point I actually had to rebuild my testimony (after distancing myself somewhat from the Church for a couple of years). Despite everything, I did care about my mission, I did make efforts at it, and in return I got yelled at. It really bothered me for a long time that someone in such a calling could make such mistakes. Hearing this, though, maybe the issue is my expectations of leaders were too high, that leaders, while they have holy callings, retain all of the imperfections and personality quirks that they did have before. This is what Anderson basically admitted. The miracle is that the Lord can still use such men to further His work. I guess an analogy is fatherhood - I would like to think that I have a holy calling to be a father, yet I retain the same weaknesses as before. Sometimes, I could stand to be nicer, more gentle, and handle things a little better. Anyhow, thank you for sharing your story. I found it very inspiring.
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    Absolutely. Being in another Christian church is infinitely better than just leaving religion altogether. If I were to leave the Church, I would march myself straight down to the Southern Baptist congregation down the street.
  8. Waylon

    Problem with the 2 hour block speculation

    I dunno, I kind of like the three hour block! More time to be engaged in a good purpose (worship) while socializing with great company. I think I would rather see Conference reduced to two sessions . . .
  9. Waylon

    “Relaxed but Engaged” Mormons

    I've been kind of amused by this thread, because it is a reminder we are all on a spectrum regarding how casual or serious we are with our beliefs. I have always felt that temple worthiness is the barometer that actually matters, an easy way to determine if you are on track to go to the Celestial Kingdom, and I get this from the counsel of numerous bishops and implied through many conference talks. See, e.g., Joseph B. Worthlin, Cultivating Divine Attributes, https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1998/10/cultivating-divine-attributes?lang=eng. I personally think that this is a primary goal of temple worthiness interviews - to make it clear and explicit what the standards of admittance to the Celestial Kingdom so one can see how they are doing towards that goal.
  10. In my mission, I only know of one missionary out of 90 who went home early over the entire two years, and that was because his mother died while he was in the field and he really did have a breakdown. Given the level of gossip among missionaries in my mission (unfortunately), I think I probably would have heard if anyone else got sent home early. In my ward, out of ten or so people who left, only one went home early, due to unconfessed sin. This was all during 2001-2008. So, I am a little skeptical of the 1/3 number, but I am basing this on my own personal experience. Maybe I have just been lucky or something?
  11. I'm a millennial! I guess (born 1982).
  12. I'm just a little surprised. My mission was basically nothing but tracting (and my president, halfway through, said no more member or less active work - just go find and teach people). We had two choices. We could either knock doors, or contact people in the street. For a real treat, we could take a bus and contact people on the bus. My mission president was NOT onboard with technology use (he was worried about pornography) and strongly encouraged we write our families, not email them. He would have had a heart attack about the prospect of using tablets, smartphones, or skype!
  13. Have they really softened that much? I was on my mission circa 2002 and we knocked doors all day long, every day . . .
  14. Based on your post, your marital troubles seem to stem largely from contention. Have you ever considered just giving in and letting your wife win when you argue? I mean, I get it. I don't like being walked all over either. If I find my parents, friends, or total strangers try to argue with me, I will fight back with everything I have and not give in. Part of the reason for this is I find the stakes in these relationships to not be that high. However, the relationship with my wife is a little different. I love it when people make comments like me and my wife are no longer two people, but one person, and thanks to our temple marriage we will always be two parts of the same person. With that perspective in mind, assuming my wife is not pushing for behavior that is morally wrong, who cares who is right and wrong? Who cares who wins in an argument? Isn't it a little like fighting one's self? I don't know what you are fighting about with your wife, but perhaps it is worth considering just giving in for the sake of having a happy marriage, that most issues become trivial when one realizes the awesome power of being sealed to another person for eternity. Food for thought!
  15. Waylon

    Missions are not boring!

    lol, I went to the North of France and had an almost exactly opposite experience!