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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I think you would have a better position if there were better evidence for the church's truth claims. As it stands, there isn't any good evidence for book of mormon historicity. One needs a lot of faith to sustain continued belief in historicity given the lack of anything supporting real nephites or actual lamanites today. This is just one issue of a multitude. Another is the first vision where one personage appears in the 1832 account and two appear in 1838. That's a contradiction that is hard to reconcile for a lot of people. One may become angry or bitter because of this policy or that and then start to look at historical issues in depth. However, it doesn't take long to become justified in unbelief. I could see your position being plausible if there weren't so many issues like the above. The book of abraham is another. The facsimilies cast doubt on any translation from the papyri and the book itself appears contrived the more one looks into the cosmology, for example, or if one knows the history of the chaldeans. So, it really should be viewed as one would a dissenter in another religion. That person is justified in not automatically believing whatever the leaders of that religion say because their truth claims are suspect. One then must look at policies and proceedures as one would look at any man made organization.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I think he wanted to stay inside and have the interview policy change. I think that was the essence of what he was doing. If the church leadership would have spoken with him about his issues and made some changes, I am pretty sure he would have loved to have remained. However, they are the authority and they didn't want to.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    If only you would be so skeptical about everything. Anyway, the leaders were definitely asking her to leave the pulpit.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    No, but he wanted to remain.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    No, I don't think they are a mob. However, I think they want order in their house where they are the masters. I understand this and if one goes to their church, one should expect to follow their rules. Mr. Young disagreed and did so publicly. So, he was politely asked to either tow the line or go elsewhere. It's too bad his is the better position. Even so, its agree or records will be removed. If he persists to speak ill against the annointed in church, he will be asked to leave like Ms. Denson was. I don't agree with the decision to ex Mr. Young, but it is theirs to make.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    So what do the extremely well-informed say?
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Aren't we dependent on the brethren for this claim? If one gets an answer that says the brethren do not have the authority you claim they do, the brethren say that answer is automatically wrong. So, this claim is so simply because the brethren say so, according to them.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    He was asked to change his position or be removed from the records, or in other words asked to be silent or the church would remove him, which it did. Why don't you just own that? What if I put it this way: he was lovingly and gently asked to support the brethren in their wise decision to continue interviewing the youth about subjects the brethren view as wise and true, and when he didn't, he was lovingly removed from the records? Would this satisfy you? I was probably too blunt in saying that authority usually says it is their way or the highway?
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I don't think it is surprising Sam Young was excommunicated. The brethren take the position that they are the authority and so dissenters must be silenced or removed.
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    SL Tribune Suspends Robert Kirby

    I think the public humiliation is definitely driving the bus.
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    SL Tribune Suspends Robert Kirby

    So was this the first time she ever tried marijuana or is she just wondering why she would take some from Kirby?
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    SL Tribune Suspends Robert Kirby

    I thought we were good Robert. I told you that I was trying to throw my beer at that other BYU guy and not you. 😎
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    SL Tribune Suspends Robert Kirby

    The story reminds me kind of like this one out of Spokane, WA some time ago, prior to legalization up there. So, there was this young man that went into the police department to make a complaint. It seems someone stole his bong (a marijuana smoking device). The police listened intently, asking questions, advising this young man that he could have a lawyer present and one cop asked about how much marijuana the young man had at his house. The young man thought for a minute and then said that the person who stole his bong had also stolen 1/8 oz of his best pot and that he now only had a little less than an 1/8th left. He then asked the cops what they were going to do and to his surprise, the cops slapped the cuffs on him. 🤣
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    SL Tribune Suspends Robert Kirby

    So an escort comment lowered her powers of resistance to such a level that she couldn't resist the marijuana edible? Is that common? Or is she coopting the "me too" movement like other exposed perpetrators do in other contexts? Sure, Kirby was a jerk and should have been punished for his deplorable behavior. However, Ms. Kendrick claims to have had no resistance. Is that really how it is?
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