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  1. Navidad

    Makes Me Proud to be a Mennonite!

    Wow! Why don't you tell us what you really think!
  2. Navidad

    Makes Me Proud to be a Mennonite!

    You are right. It is an important part of our heritage that thousands of us were martyred for our beliefs and in serving and protecting others. Many such accounts from WWII
  3. Navidad

    Makes Me Proud to be a Mennonite!

    No, I live down in Mexico near the historic Mormon colonies. I was in Boise this year though, for the annual Mormon History Conference. I had a wonderful breakfast at a restaurant called "Bacon." I love bacon!
  4. OK, I was just trying to figure out if you were saying that the folks there thought the Holy Spirit was in the meeting, but it (a sense of the Spirit) was only in reality a sense coming from the music. My mistake.
  5. What is the "it" you refer to? "It makes people think it is the Spirit but its only the music."
  6. This news story makes me especially proud today to be a Mennonite! https://www.jweekly.com/2018/11/09/at-my-synagogue-ill-take-20-mennonites-over-one-armed-guard/?fbclid=IwAR3xybF3m4SFgM9olrG9zvCSqV89CL0V4F8nbighc_iDMhGsa4_5TUXHjQk
  7. Navidad

    Change to TR Interview Question?

    Thanks. I wasn't sure about a Masonic affiliation in this day and age. There are some excellent books about the history of "Mormonism" and Freemasonry. Interesting stuff.
  8. Navidad

    Change to TR Interview Question?

    Boundary maintenance - a term I have not heard. Now you have piqued my interest. Dare I ask? Does the "us" equal Latter-day Saints and the "them" non-Latter-day Saints? Is it really the Church's declared intent to maintain a border wall between itself and the "other?" I do enjoy these kinds of threads; they show much more vitality than the usual declarative statements.
  9. Navidad

    Change to TR Interview Question?

    I like that. But, when Mormons or Mormon groups join with other Christian groups (see how I keep sliding that in?) to facilitate disaster relief, support against LGBQT issues, ERA-type issues, etc. might they be in violation of this question? I have seen Mormons on platforms with Billy Graham. This by the way is one of the big differences between evangelicals and fundamentalists. I feel supported by the folks in our ward, is there an exception for those considered investigators?
  10. Navidad

    Change to TR Interview Question?

    Quick question - would the Church consider affiliation with the Masons an affiliation in violation of this question? Do individual bishops have the right to make decisions based on their own beliefs about what the Church teaches? I suppose it is inevitable that they do that.
  11. Navidad

    Change to TR Interview Question?

    Is that true? I got rebuked pretty good on here a few weeks ago for differentiating between the law of the WOW, the law of tithing, and the law of fasting. The WOW is not a commandment? Then it can't be a law of the Lord like the other two? If you really want to split hairs, I follow my group's word of wisdom, but not the LDS WOW. Since I support a WOW, I suppose I am not contrary to or in opposition to the LDS Church.
  12. It seems like many important events in the Mormons' ministry include sharing food too! I like that part!😄
  13. When I was baptized I was interviewed by the pastor and the elders of the church. The pastor was ordained. The elders were not. During the interview I was asked to work with the pastor (who in my case was my father!) to write down the covenants I would promise to commit to for the rest of my life. They (the elders) then reviewed and approved the covenants. Of course my dad made me memorize them, which now I am glad he did. Just before being baptized and while in the water my dad (pastor) asked me a series of questions in front of the congregation, including about my covenants. After I answered all of them and while shaking from the cold water he then immersed me. For the Mennonites the congregation is the most important organization. Over the years the "conference" has been created to form a larger group (area in LDS terms) to provide continuity and unity beyond the congregation. At the congregational level, the primary leadership positions include elders, deacons, and ministers. All three may be ordained. The laying on of hands is very important. The elders role is to provide for the spiritual well-being of the local church and are chosen from within the congregation. The deacons take the lead in service and ministry of a non or quasi-spiritual nature. They are always chosen from the congregation and may become elders. The identification of specific gifts of the Holy Spirit are very important. A minister or pastor is often chosen from the elders and may indeed be the "preacher" of the group. All three leadership groups are individually ordained to their role. In recent times with the existence of bigger congregations the minister (pastor) is formally trained at the bible college or seminary (graduate school) level and serves full-time with salary. Sometimes there are multiple full-time staff and ministers who are licensed for a particular ministry, such as music, ministry to elderly folks, etc. I have been both licensed and ordained in my life. When I was ordained in 1973 the entire religion faculty of the Baylor University Graduate School of Religion was there to examine me. I was scared to death. The local church ordained me, but the gurus at the graduate school examined me and gave their approval. Conferences support the local church in both the Baptist and Mennonite traditions but have no hierarchical authority over the individual church. Bishops exist, usually still pastoring one local church but providing spiritual oversight and leadership over several. He oversees both ordinations and licensing. I hope that helps. A couple of the large Baptist groups now ordain women. Some Mennonite churches ordain women; most do not.
  14. Hi Bernard: I live in a very small town about 500 yards from the Catholic Church and the priest has visited our home as have I visited him. We donate to the church and I always tease him about accepting Mennonite tile, gravel, money, etc. Whenever he has a priest friend visit he makes sure that he introduces him to me as the only Mennonite minister he has ever met. He has copies of several of my books, so yes he knows all about me. Oh, and in a town of 1000 so does everyone else! He has cancer and my wife and I have done our best to minister to him. Well, I was baptized in a Baptist church and grew up in a Mennonite community in Pennsylvania. I "migrated" from Baptist to Mennonite. I have also served in non-denominational community churches. Now that that is clarified, I was baptized around 7 and a half years of age and made five covenants 1. To be willing to always give a testimony that God saved me through the atonement of his son; 2. To always have a servant attitude; willing to faithfully perform His will in my life, including the full-time ministry if so called; 3. To promise to study and grow in His knowledge and grace; 4. To keep his temple (my body) pure and always act in a way that would please Him (our idea was that avoiding worldliness and other sin was most important); 5. To be a helper to anyone who was in need. Neither Mennonite or Baptist elders are ordained ministers. In terms of passing the sacrament these elders are often the deacons or the elders of the church. They serve, support, and counsel the ordained minister{s) who "presides." Most Baptist churches have paid ordained ministers: many, if not most Mennonite churches have ministers and elders who are chosen from and by the congregation. They are often bi-vocational; therefore not paid for their ministry work. They are chosen and function according to the gifts of the Holy Spirit they have manifested. My gifts for example were identified as the gift of exhortation, ministry, and helps. Mennonites have bishops that usually oversee a group of churches in one locale. The vast majority of Baptists have no ruling hierarchy above the local pastor. That is one reason it is hard to nail down Baptists; they are very independent. Even the huge Southern Baptist Convention has no hierarchy over the local pastor. There are "association" ministers who advise, counsel, and coordinate, but they have no authority over a local pastor. My fireside talk is a discourse on "Little Known Episodes and Pioneers in the Early Mormon Mexican Colonies" It is a Thanksgiving - styled event where the folks will celebrate and give thanks for their heritage here in the colonies. It is not the first Fireside I have given here. I hope that answers all of your questions.
  15. What a great answer. Thanks for the time and thoughtfulness it took. I appreciate it very much. I do understand your concept of covenants. I agree with everything you said; it is rather Presbyterian in its construct. You would get an A at Westminster Seminary (I am just kidding here). Maybe the Saints got the concept from the Covenant Presbyterians. Woodrow Wilson and William Jennings Bryan were both Covenant Presbyterians. Just being silly. I am a bit stressed out here right now. Anyway I understand what you are saying and agree wholeheartedly. I can't and more importantly won't debate anything you have said. Obviously there is one big thing on which we don't agree, the nature of the priesthood in the first sentence of your second paragraph and the first sentence of the third where I actually agree with the intent of your statement, but believe that all Christians hold the priesthood. Certainly Christians make promises to God as a matter of convenience. I acknowledge that and so agree that people can make promises to God without the priesthood, but I know that is not what you are saying. i agree wholeheartedly with the end of that paragraph. Perhaps we don't disagree about covenants at all, but about the priesthood. I agree completely that "As members of the restored church, we declare that the ordinances of the priesthood as performed in Christ's church are God's Will and means for authorized covenant making. These are his terms. There is one way." The only thing we disagree on there is the extent of the word "restored" since Mennonites were about restoring, not reforming the church 300 years before the Saints. and again of course the extent of the term "priesthood." The only big difference in our beliefs as far as I read is the concept of the priesthood, certainly not the concept of covenant. That is the big kahuna difference. That is why I believe that I, sitting in the pew on a Sunday morning as a priest after the order of Melchizedek so designated by Christ our high priest, can make, honor and renew a covenant the same way any Saint, priesthood holder or not, can. I am not asking you to agree with me; that isn't going to happen. I do think you might insist I agree with you as a precursor to full-fellowship. We both believe with our whole souls, and I would add spirit. I am a tripartist - body, soul and spirit! Soul is mind, will and emotion. Body and spirit are obvious. I really don't know what LDS-Christians believe about that? Oh no, another question? I think I hear my wife calling me to supper. Thanks again for your helpful and respectful answer.