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  1. That's a fair point. For me, it goes back to living it, doing good and enjoying my life of faith. Reading the Scriptures, an important part of God's pattern is speaking to His children through prophets, apostles, etc. The LDS Church works for me. Regarding the Catholics, I am impressed with their doctrine of Divination, us becoming "little Christs" to do His work. I am very impressed with their healing ministries through hospitals, Catholic Community Services and all the little centers helping the poor, helpless, homeless and addicted. I definitely see the Catholic Church doing the Lord's work of mercy and compassion. Just to finance all that, many of the members do take their commitment to the Church seriously and sacrifice to make it all happen. I believe the LDS Church has the authority from God to act in His name, and the necessary ordinances. And we have the Book of Mormon, another testament of Jesus Christ. And living it, we experience the fruits of the religion. Most all the churches have a place and important work to do, as does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, imo.
  2. Moroni had buried the plates in the ground to come forth in our day. If the Book of Mormon plates were shown to 3 witnesses by the angel Moroni then 8 witnesses who hefted the plates, and the Holy Ghost witnesses it is a true book, it is actually an historic book in my opinion. One cannot dismiss the three witnesses testimony.
  3. Hi Jeanne-- I agree that we are asked to follow the Prophet. And in our family, we do with regard to principles of the Gospel. But we need to weigh our important responsibilities and prayerfully order our lives. Mosiah said in chapter 4:26 and 27 " "....I would that ye should impart of your substance to the poor, every man according to that which he hath, such as feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick and administering to their relief, both spiritually and temporally, according to their wants. And see that all these things are done in wisdom and order; for it is not requisite that a man should run faster than he has strength. And again, it is expedient that he should be diligent, that thereby he might win the prize; therefore, all things must be done in order. Remember those days that we were told the Church is the scaffolding on the family, not the other way around. Yet we were told to lengthen our stride, all callings are inspired. Spruce up your yards. Paint your fences. Build a two year food supply. Grind your wheat. Magnify your callings. Get an education. Get involved in the community. Share the Gospel. Work on your genealogy and family history. Attend the Temple. Be a friend your neighbors, etc., etc. We had a general authority come to our stake conference and tell a story about a woman who had several callings. Her husband was in a demanding calling. Then she was called to another responsible position on top of the other things she was doing. Of course, she accepted because "She was a woman who knows." I think some of the women in our hard working stake bristled at his comments. What about the prophetic counsel "No success can compensate for failure in the home?" Yes, we need to follow the prophet, and our inspired leaders. But we have responsibility for balance in our own lives. It is too easy to follow leaders and friends who want or need our help. I say give it, but in order. Family fun, prayer, scripture study, FHE, etc. all important. To stay on top of our most important responsibilities, and not forget about the others which are also important, we need the Spirit to be our guide. There is no possible way to do everything that is asked of us. Therefore, sometimes we will need to set a boundary and say "I have other demands." or "If I do this, it wouldn't be fair to my family." It's all very personal, and at the same time very important. My adult daughter once told me "I remember thinking when I was a teenager, if I had a flat tire, and someone else had a flat tire by the side of the road, you would help them first." My priorities, while good, were not the best back then. So in answer to your question "should I follow the different prophets?" I say "Of course." But God isn't asking us to sacrifice our lives on the alter of the Church, which is our scaffolding. He gave us minds to think things through. He gave us the Holy Ghost and the ability to do things in an orderly manner. I may be wrong, and this may not be addressing your comment. But that's how I see it, for what it's worth.
  4. Try living it for awhile. If they will do the thing, they will know the doctrine. Study the Book of Mormon more, not commentaries on it. And yes, pray more, with real intent.
  5. No, there is not more than one right answer. We are each on our individual path to discover that answer. If you ask a young child what equals 4, they may not know what you are talking about. So you lay out 4 matchstick and count. 2+2, 1+1+2, 3+1, 1+1+1+1. Then they practice, and learn. 4 is a fixed truth, the one right answer they are looking for. Many paths will take us almost to where we want to go. The final step is opening the door and going in. That requires faith, repentance, and baptism by proper authority from God. I believe all roads lead to Salt Lake City, headquarters of the Lord's Church.
  6. That's a good question. My thinking would be that God determines what is valid, and we will be judged on our sincerity, meekness and humility arriving at our conclusions. Two scriptures: Moroni 8:26 "And the remission of sins bringeth meekness, and lowliness of heart; and because of meekness and lowliness of heart cometh the visitation of the Holy Ghost, which Comforter filleth with hope and perfect love, which love endureth by diligence unto prayer, until the end shall come, when all the saints shall dwell with God." And Moroni 7:42-44 "Wherefore, if a man have faith he must needs have hope; for without faith there cannot be any hope. And again, behold I say unto you that he cannot have faith and hope, save he shall be meek, and lowly of heart. If so, his faith and hope is vain, for none is acceptable before God, save the meek and lowly in heart; and if a man be meek and lowly in heart, and confesses by the power of the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, he must needs have charity; for if he have not charity he is nothing; wherefore he must needs have charity." If we have done those things and sincerely come to different conclusions, I believe God will honor that effort and help us understand what is actually true in due time. I see no honest effort coming to loss.
  7. I agree with Ash, per my last post. Some things that help me zero in on things that I find relevant are habits of daily sincere prayer and scripture study. I read other books, blogs, articles and discussions, but scripture study fortifies my faith and confidence like nothing else. The more I do those things, the more I feel God's approval and influence in my life. I am searching for a word that describes this core of, for lack of a better description, peaceful confidence and assurance that all is well. I think the word may be love.
  8. Five Solas, I know this post is too long and apologize In advance. I like your questions. They make me think. In summary, I believe you are misunderstanding Ash. I agree with Ash, but for the exact opposite reason you do. I would be interested in your response. Your comment illustrates the limitation of words to communicate. We each have a different context. I believe you missed Ash's point and gave it the opposite meaning. He said: "Another layer of complication is added in recording the words of God in the weakness of human language, Ash explained. “Words do not have a plain meaning. They only have meaning in context of a language, culture, time frame and so forth.” Readers in turn automatically recontextualize the words according to their own culture and context, he said, and some ambiguity is inevitable." This is clearly true, based on your take of his premise. “Heavenly Father is aware of our limitations and knows the factors that contribute to our limitations,” he said “Despite our deficiencies, however, He also knows how to communicate important directives as we are able to receive them.” He cited the passage in Doctrine and Covenants 1:24, “Behold, I am God and have spoken it; these commandments are of me, and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their language, that they might come to understanding.” Thus, Ash said, “God must descend to our level and speak our language in order for us to comprehend.” Take Korihor, for example. "after this manner did he preach, saying: 13 O ye that are bound down under a foolish and a vain hope, why do ye yoke yourselves with such foolish things? Why do ye look for a Christ? For no man can know of anything which is to come. 14 Behold, these things which ye call prophecies, which ye say are handed down by holy prophets, behold, they are foolish traditions of your fathers. 15 How do ye know of their surety? Behold, ye cannot know of things which ye do not see; therefore ye cannot know that there shall be a Christ." God was able to communicate with him. Read this exchange between Alma and Korihor: "40 And now what evidence have ye that there is no God, or that Christ cometh not? I say unto you that ye have none, save it be your word only. 41 But, behold, I have all things as a testimony that these things are true; and ye also have all things as a testimony unto you that they are true; and will ye deny them? Believest thou that these things are true? 42 Behold, I know that thou believest, but thou art possessed with a lying spirit, and ye have put off the Spirit of God that it may have no place in you; but the devil has power over you, and he doth carry you about, working devices that he may destroy the children of God. 43 And now Korihor said unto Alma: If thou wilt show me a sign, that I may be convinced that there is a God, yea, show unto me that he hath power, and then will I be convinced of the truth of thy words. 44 But Alma said unto him: Thou hast had signs enough; will ye tempt your God? Will ye say, Show unto me a sign, when ye have the testimony of all these thy brethren, and also all the holy prophets? The scriptures are laid before thee, yea, and all things denote there is a God; yea, even the earth, and all things that are upon the face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and also all the planets which move in their regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator." The discussion comtinues: "48 Now Korihor said unto him: I do not deny the existence of a God, but I do not believe that there is a God; and I say also, that ye do not know that there is a God; and except ye show me a sign, I will not believe. 49 Now Alma said unto him: This will I give unto thee for a sign, that thou shalt be struck dumb, according to my words; and I say, that in the name of God, ye shall be struck dumb, that ye shall no more have utterance. 50 Now when Alma had said these words, Korihor was struck dumb, that he could not have utterance, according to the words of Alma. 51 And now when the chief judge saw this, he put forth his hand and wrote unto Korihor, saying: Art thou convinced of the power of God? In whom did ye desire that Alma should show forth his sign? Would ye that he should afflict others, to show unto thee a sign? Behold, he has showed unto you a sign; and now will ye dispute more? 52 And Korihor put forth his hand and wrote, saying: I know that I am dumb, for I cannot speak; and I know that nothing save it were the power of God could bring this upon me; yea, and I always knew that there was a God. 53 But behold, the devil hath deceived me; for he appeared unto me in the form of an angel, and said unto me: Go and reclaim this people, for they have all gone astray after an unknown God. And he said unto me: There is no God; yea, and he taught me that which I should say. And I have taught his words; and I taught them because they were pleasing unto the carnal mind; and I taught them, even until I had much success, insomuch that I verily believed that they were true; and for this cause I withstood the truth, even until I have brought this great curse upon me." So, FS, we see that God was able to communicate with Korihor in a language he could understand. I believe that was Ash's point. God is not limited in His ability to communicate. In my opinion, we are limited in our desire or worthiness, etc. and therefore limit our own ability to receive it. But God can still communicate with us when He needs or wants to. Ash also said “He knows they will get things wrong, describe things inaccurately, point to non-existent evidence while rejecting very real evidence. … Knowing all the challenges, God also knows that the only way we can understand the important and basic principles of discipleship is by having His teachings revealed in the manner of our language, so that the weak things will become strong enough to put us on a course to bring us back home to the Father.” He closed by citing Ether 12:27, that if men humble themselves before God, He will show them their weaknesses and make weak things become strong unto them." Ash does have a sentence here and there that can be ambiguous. To focus on them is to ignore the overall point of his article. God can and does communicate with man. He has communicated with me, and probably you also. Sometimes it may take a long time to understand what He is telling us in order for our context to catch up with what He has communicated. The problem is on our end, not His. He gives us time to understand, imo, because He will not, under normal circumstances, override our responsibility to exercise faith or our freedom to choose whether or not to believe.
  9. Building mortal into God

    Amen, Brother!
  10. The implications I see are that a loving Heavenly Father is able to communicate with anyone who will listen, based on the confines of their own life experiences and their willingness to learn. I like what the Lord said to Nephi in 2 Ne. 28:30: "30 For behold, thus saith the Lord God: I will give unto the children of men line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little; and blessed are those who hearken unto my precepts, and lend an ear unto my counsel, for they shall learn wisdom; for unto him that receiveth I will give more; and from them that shall say, We have enough, from them shall be taken away even that which they have." This is another one of those things that a person can test over time to determine if it is true, then live accordingly.
  11. Another way to look at the subject has to do with sins of ommission. For example, if we believe in Christ, but make our living as a thief, do we really believe in Christ, or have faith in Christ? In the Judgement, is our belief in Christ going to save us? Or will our works condemn us? Or turning it around, if we aren't convinced that God exists, but are honest in all our dealings, faithful to Our spouse, love our neighbor will our works save us, or will our lack of faith condemn us? Hence, the question-- is what we believe or what we do most important?
  12. Many years ago we took an Institute class on evidences of the Book of Mormon. It was during a time the Church owned many media outlets around the country, such as KIRO radio and TV in Seattle and newspapers and other media around the country. My question was "Why doesn't the Church just put this on the front page of their newspapers and on the news so everyone would know?" The answer, of course, was that "evidence" is subjective. The only way a person will gain a testimony is on their knees.
  13. Many years ago, we visited the interpretive center at Mt. St. Helens. On one wall was an old worn canvas with a descriptive painting of Chief Big Head asking the medicine man if the end of the world had come after the volcano had erupted in the early 1800s. The medicine man told him "No, men will come from the East with a book. Then the end will come." I thought that was interesting.
  14. Building mortal into God

    Beautifully and aptly put. Thank you.
  15. I see your point. I can see how it can work that way, and hope that I am in harmony with your thought at this stage of my life. I do see some justification for works separate from faith. Maybe this parable doesn't apply due to repentance (possible change of belief,) But it struck me as a defense of works: 28 ¶ But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. 29 He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. 30 And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. 31 Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. 32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him." Matt. 21.
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