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  1. Just finished reading Elder Holland's address to the maxwell institute: https://mi.byu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/2018-Maxwell-Institute-Annual-Report-small.pdf Holland cites this external review paper 8 times, 12 Terryl Givens, David Holland, and Reid Neilson, External Review of the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship, December 2014, 7 I can't find it - anyone have a link?
  2. What are the ways that Gee's "research focus, approach, and agenda were out of sync with the interests of the post-2012 Maxwell Institute"? SW: "Professor Gee's unique brand of scholarship is clearly no longer welcome at the Maxwell Institute." Peterson: "We've known that for years. And now, mercifully, John Gee is free at last!"
  3. Not sure how this works, but from what I understand the late Frank William Gay was a billionaire executive who worked for Howard Hughes. His son Robert co-founder at Bain cashed out with more capital than Mitt. So likely they took $10M dollars in a Fidelity account and then depending on the terms of the gift at 3% over 20years, they gift the interest earned to byu who takes a 50% share and the recipient of the endowed chair the other 50%. If this is over 20years, then in the year 2000 this would result in a $300k gift for the year, with Dr. Gee receiving a salary of $150k. By next year 2020 his salary would be $263k. I just don't think the Gay's love BYU enough to just gift the $10M to them initially as one lump sum.
  4. I think it is forgiveable but why did Joseph say that Celestial glory can be lost? “If a man commit adultery, he cannot receive the celestial kingdom of God. Even if he is saved in any kingdom, it cannot be the celestial kingdom” (HC 6:81) Also 2nd strike adultery is not forgiveable. DandCov42 "26 But if he doeth it again, he shall not be forgiven, but shall be cast out." One strike lose celestial, but retain terrestrial after forgiveness, 2nd strike adultery fall down another tier to Telestial?
  5. I think LDS scriptures enhance the christian views of atonement by adding more experiential weight to Christ's experience. In a sense according to Wachowski's Neo in the Matrix, latter-day Saints believe Jesus experienced two levels of experiential cruelty, first in the garden in which the universe plugged a quantum fiber optic bundle into Christ's brain and dumped all feelings, pain, remorse, and loneliness related to iniquity, transgression, infirmities, sicknesses into our Father's child so that he could express a divine love through grace and extend infinite empathy and compassion to us. Then the second level of cruelty was transitioning from a god-like homeostasis to fully human in which he experienced great physical pain, open surgery without anesthesia, chemotherapy, the feeling of being burned alive etc and then the complete withdrawal of his good friend in the godhead fellowship (the Holy Spirit). "having the bowels of mercy; being filled with compassion towards the children of men; standing betwixt them and justice; having broken the bands of death, taken upon himself their iniquity and their transgressions, having redeemed them, and satisfied the demands of justice." Mosiah15:9 "11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people. 12 And he will take upon him death, that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities." ALma 7:12
  6. His primary problem is with Leviticus 16 and using this to glorify what Christ did. That we piled all the sins on Christ vicariously, and then let our enemies put him in a winepress, flogged and whipped him, and then nailed him to a cross. Lev 16:21. Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat and confess over it all the iniquities and transgressions of the Israelites, whatever their sins, putting them on the head of the goat; and it shall be sent off to the wilderness through a designated man.
  7. Can someone help me with the history of when identifying as gay or queer within the church went from being sinful to being ok? After Elder Bednar's statement in 2016 that "There are no homosexual members of the church. We are not defined by sexual attraction. We are not defined by sexual behavior. We are sons and daughters of God. And all of us have different challenges in the flesh. There are many different types of challenges." He said, "simply being attracted to someone of the same gender is not a sin." "It is when we act on the inclination or attraction" "That's when it becomes a sin". Elder David B Bednar, 23-Feb 2016 A few scriptures would counter this, Mosiah4:30 30 But this much I can tell you, that if ye do not watch yourselves, and your thoughts, and your words, and your deeds, and observe the commandments of God, and continue in the faith of what ye have heard concerning the coming of our Lord, even unto the end of your lives, ye must perish. And now, O man, remember, and perish not. Alma12:14 14 For our words will condemn us, yea, all our works will condemn us; we shall not be found spotless; and our thoughts will also condemn us; and in this awful state we shall not dare to look up to our God; and we would fain be glad if we could command the rocks and the mountains to fall upon us to hide us from his presence.
  8. I think I understand what you are asking here. new atheists will attack the idea of Christian atonement as immoral. You are trying to come up with a new view of atonement which would be delicious to even the likes of Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens on Atonement: "Horrible idea of vicarious redemption. I could pay your debt even if I didn't know you. If you were my friend, if you were in debt I would take care of you. I will serve your sentence in prison. Throw your sins on me and they will melt away. Immoral! vicarious redemption is an immoral doctrine."
  9. “Happiness is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it; and this path is: virtue, uprightness faithfulness holiness and keeping all the commandments of God.” - Joseph Smith Jr. At this point we need to ask the worldly philosopher Aristotle what he meant by "best and most perfect kinds of virtue"? "the good for man is an activity of the soul in accordance with virtue, or if there are more kinds of virtue than one, in accordance with the best and most perfect kind.”
  10. Look as long as we're focusing on these bold words, we need to quote this worldly philosophy from Aristotle correctly, "Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the whole aim and end of human existence"
  11. No it's a global assessment seminary test. Here's the study guide. https://www.lds.org/manual/seminary-learning-assessments/study-guides/doctrine-and-covenants-76-official-declaration-2?lang=eng
  12. It's legit and it's due Wednesday. Some ocr errors, sorry!
  13. Here is the 2019 end of year seminary assessment my kids received yesterday. Would love to hear your thoughts on the questions, the probable answers, and the doctrine taught. Don't forget the last 4 questions pertaining to the Explain Doctrine section. https://ibb.co/Dfz4JNr Read instructions before you start the test: Exam code: 8 If you have difficulty taking the learning assessment in the traditional way, please talk with your teacher to figure out the best way to help you succeed. Use a no. 2 or HB pencil. Indicate your response by completely filling in the bubble on your answer sheet. Section name: Multiple Choice 1. Who will receive a place in a kingdom of glory? (1 mark) a) Every individual born into mortality b) All of God's children except the sons of perdition c) Only individuals who are worthy of exaltation 2. Which of the following is a specific responsibility mentioned in the oath and covenant of the priesthood? (1 mar) a) To magnify their callings b) To pay a generous fast offering c) To not be idle 3. Because of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, in the Resurrection all individuals will receive ____ (1 mark) a) at least a terrestrial glory b) celestial glory c) glory according to the law they obeyed 4. Which of the following blessings does God offer to those who keep the Word of Wisdom? (1 mark) a) They will not be burned at the Second Coming. b) Their bodies will be protected from all illness. c) They will receive wisdom and great treasures of knowledge. 5. To be endowed in the temple means to receive ____ (1 mark) a) a guarantee of eternal life b) spiritual power and knowledge c) unique physical gifts from the Lord 6. What does the existence of the precious truths in the Pearl of Great Pric teach us about the Prophet Joseph Smith? (1 mark) a) He no longer needed the power of God to help him translate. b) He was a prophet, seer, and revelator. c) He is the only prophet of this dispensation that can receive new scripture. 7. As watchmen on the tower, modern prophets have a responsibility to ____ (1 mark) a) warn us of coming dangers b) stop Satan from tempting members of the Church c) change truth to fit modern times 8. What is a bishop's or branch president's main responsibility when a teenager confesses sin to him? (1 mark) a) To prevent the person from being part of the Church b) To help the person receive forgiveness of the sins and regain peace of mind c) To inflict severe consequences and punishments from sinning 9. Who visited the Prophet Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery in the Kirtland Temple to restore priesthood keys? (1 mark) a) Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Malachi b) Moses, Elias, and Elijah c) Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob 10. According to the Doctrine and Covenants, what are tithing funds used for? (1 mark) a) They are the main fund the Church uses to support the poor and the needy. b) They are used to build temples and to accomplish the work of the Lord. c) They are used to pay ward and branch members for serving in the Church. 11. While the Prophet Joseph Smith was falsely imprisoned in Liberty Jail, the Lord taught him that adversity and affliction (1 mark) a) will not occur if we trust in God b) are always a consequence of our poor choices c) can give us experience and be for our good 12. Which of the following is a true statement about Relief Society? (1 mark) a) It was divinely organized to assist in the work of salvation. b) It was established during the trek west to help Saints who were suffering. c) It did not exist during the lifetime of the Prophet Joseph Smith. 13. A man and a woman will receive eternal life and glory if _____ (1 mark) a) they love each other more than they love themselves b) they keep the new and everlasting covenant of marriage they made in the temple c) they are married in the temple 14. Why do our ancestors who die without having a knowledge of the gospel need us to perform ordinances for them in the temple? a) Without these ordinances, our ancestors cannot progress toward eternal life. (1 mark) b) Without these ordinances, our ancestors cannot be saved in any kingdom of glory. c} Without these ordinances, our ancestors will not be resurrected. 15. Marriage between one man and one woman is the Lord's standing law. Wen is the only time plural marriage is justified? a) Wen there are more women than men in the Church (1 mark) b) Whenever local laws and traditions allow members to practice it without breaking the law c) When the Lord authorizes it through the priesthood keys given to the President of the Church 16. When the President of the Church dies, which quorum becomes the presiding quorum of the Church? (1 mark) a) The Quorum of the Twelve Apostles b) The Quorum of the First Presidency c) The Presiding Bishopric 17. Which of the following shows the correct chronological order (first to last) of places the Saints were told to gather to? (1 mark} a) A stake in their homeland; Nauvoo, Illinois; Winter Quarters, Nebraska; Salt Lake City, Utah b) Nauvoo, Illinois; Winter Quarters, Nebraska; Salt Lake City, Utah; a stake in their homeland c) Winter Quarters, Nebraska; Nauvoo, Illinois; Salt Lake City, Utah; a stake in their homeland 18. After the Savior visited the spirit world, what did righteous spirits there begin to do? a} They were all resurrected and began entering the highest kingdom of glory. b) They began performing ordinances for those who had not received them. c) They began teaching the gospel to those in spirit prison. (1 mark) 19. According to Official Declaration 2, the Lord revealed that all worthy male Church members may ___ _ (1 mark) a) receive the ordinance of baptism b) serve a mission at age 18 c) receive the priesthood and enjoy temple blessings 20. What principle is emphasized in Doctrine and Covenants 121:36, 41-2? (1 mark) a) Priesthood holders can draw upon the powers of heaven only if they live righteously. b) lf we actively seek to learn through study and faith, our faith in Jesus Christ will increase. c) If we obey the Lord, He will always keep His promises to bless us. 21. Which of the following accurately describes Heavenly Father? (1 mark) a) He is without feelings or emotions. b) He is a personage of Spirit and can dwell in us. c) He has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's. 22. Which of the following is a requirement for receiving exaltation in the celestial kingdom? (1 mark) a) Bearing testimony of the Savior is all that is needed. b) Receiving a patriarchal blessing c) Receiving and being valiant in the testimony of Jesus Christ 23. Of the following groups, who will inherit the celestial kingdom? (1 mark) a) All children who die before they reach the age of accountability b) All members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints c) All individuals who have been baptized 24. Which eternal truth corrects the following worldly philosophy: "God doesn't care how marriage is defined"? (1 mark) a) Ever individual born into morality is a child of God, and God loves each of us. b) Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. c) God changes truth to meet the circumstances and needs of His children. 25. Which eternal truth corrects the following worldly philosophy: "It isn't as important for couples to have children today as it used to a) Marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal setting for children to be born, reared, and nurtured. b) God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between a man and a woman who are lawfully wedded as husband and wife. c) God's commandment fr husbands and wives to have children remains in force today. 26. Which eternal truth corrects the following worldly philosophy: "As long as two individuals love each other, physical intimacy is acceptable"? (1 mark) a) Marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal setting for children to be born, reared, and nurtured. b) Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. c) God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between a man and a woman who are lawfully wedded as husband and wife. 27. Which eternal truth corrects the following worldly philosophy: "As governments continue to redefine marriage, God's definition of marriage will change to reflect the values of modern society"? (1 mark) a) Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. b) God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between a man and a woman who are lawfully wedded as husband and wife. c) Changes in the civil law do not change the moral law that God has established. 28. Which eternal truth corrects the following worldly philosophy: "The only purpose of marriage is for adults to find fulfillment and happiness"? (1 mark) a) Marriage between a man and a woman is the ideal setting for children to be born, reared, and nurtured. b) Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. c) God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between a man and a woman who are lawfully wedded as husband and wife. Section name: Explain Doctrine _ Instructions: Write your answer on a piece of paper. Compare your response with the correct answer received from your teacher. After self-grading the explain-doctrine question, bubble in your answer sheet. Self-grade your answer for each question: a. Yes, I explained this in my response. b. No, I left this out of my response. 29. What is an example of a truth that was restored through the Prophet Joseph Smith? Explain why the truth you chose can help you receive eternal life. (1 mark) 30. What is an example of an ordinance that was restored through the Prophet Joseph Smith? Explain why the ordinance you chose can help you receive eternal life. (1 mark) 31. What is an example of priesthood authority that was restored through the Prophet Joseph Smith? Explain why this authority of the priesthood can help you receive eternal life. (1 mark) 32. Share your personal thoughts on the importance of the Prophet Joseph Smith. (1 mark)
  14. Could you tell me more about the operation of the religious conscience of those who direct what the Lord calls the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? How does this conscience discern between right and wrong? What tools do they employ? Tell me more about these "countless permutations and combinations of possible scenarios" ?
  15. removed as relational history of founder is irrelevant to missionary work.
  16. The church made a stand against the equality act in 2019 but was completely silent after Judge Clark Waddoups wrote a religious freedom argument decriminalizing polygamy. As far as I understand today if families legally and lawfully consist of multiple wives in Niger or Liberia for example the church will not permit baby blessings, or baptism and will excommunicate members of the church who participate. On the other hand as of April 2019 if gay couples wish to bless the baby in church, or baptize their children the church will enter these parents into the MLS system. The church is against religious freedom which supports section 132.
  17. Why is it faulty that someone who is married to a same sex individual and attends our church would have concluded that the church "had turned against gays" considering that mandatory disciplinary council on the charge of apostasy was the instruction given? question4 using the language of a revelation pattern of 1978 for a policy which I could not see Christ endorsing. I listened to Eyring's talk and agree with most of it, that we should sustain with faith those who lead us (notwithstanding their imperfections). What should we do when there is a dissonance or incongruity with the teachings of the Spirit and what the prophet or apostle teaches as revelation? I'm looking at the quote from George Q. Cannon in Eyring's talk and trying to reconcile this with the statement of Oaks at the 40th anniversary and McConkie after the 78 revelation.
  18. In the podcast they spoke of the wise implementation of the policy as a "data gathering" exercise. They were defending the implementation of the first-presidency approval process so that they could funnel all requests for ordinances through them and learn about the circumstances, issues, family relationships, more so that they could improve relations with lgbtq people. At least that's what I heard upon listening the discussion on the podcast. They also said that the brethren never implement a policy without further handbook training and explanation to go along with it. By directing all requests for ordinances through the first presidency they could fine tune this highly focused, revelatory, inspired training to the local leadership. The problem with this explanation is that none of those on the panel were in a bishopric or stake presidency at the time of implementation of the policy in Nov 2015. I was. I was there - and there was absolutely zero training on this handbook change. I couldn't obtain a copy of the actual changes to the hand book for weeks later. I asked the stake clerk and a member of the stake presidency for help to get the actual text of the hand book change, and no one could send to me an official document. The first counselor in the stake presidency at the time could only fwd to me a copy of Dehlin's scan off the web. For a number of weeks that's all we had, while lots of people were calling the bishop's office to ask why the church had turned against gays. We had no training whatsoever on this policy. As for fine-tuning the policy after data gathering? Instead what we heard from Pres Nelson was a 1978' style revelatory upgrade on the policy which made God into a revealer of things which made my stomach sick. At least in my stake all allies of lgbtq, or even those who didn't feel the policy was inspired were barred from receiving a temple recommend if they voiced a concern over the matter. Why do I know this? Because I interviewed candidates for the temple signed their recommends, and then when they went to the stake presidency they were denied and the reason was, "I voiced disapproval of the policy". When I asked our area authority seventy about the policy he said that those who oppose it, "do not understand revelation, and the importance of sustaining the leadership of the church". Now with the reversal of the policy - it was framed like they stumbled into an old handbook entry, found that this bad handbook entry which came from "who knows where?" was causing members to have a lack of compassion for gay people, so out of love for the children they decided to throw it out. Married gay people are no longer apostates, they are just living in sin like married heterosexual people? This is supposed to make sense?
  19. I feel emotionally excited by the good the church can do. The church is working to remove the causes of economic inequality in the world, 3Nephi 6:12 12 And the people began to be distinguished by ranks, according to their riches and their chances for learning; yea, some were ignorant because of their poverty, and others did receive great learning because of their riches. Ghana Africa you can get a bachelor's degree for $8.25/credit hour or $990 for 4 year college degree. Limited degree options sure but this is great.
  20. When I was in a regional training with Elder Renlund a stake president visible frustrated asked about questions related to use of pornography in temple recommend interviews as he felt he was getting mixed messages from the brethren on this issue. Elder Renlund said, no that he was not to deviate from the temple recommend questions as they are written notwithstanding what other individual leaders may say. When a 15 year-old girl asked me in an interview what sins were to be confessed to priesthood leaders I said, "good question - ask your parents." Her father was on the stake presidency, and her mother was an lds family services therapist. When I asked in stake council about worthiness interviews after the stake president reprimanded all the bishoprics for sending people to him that were not cleared and were unworthy he pushed on conducting "thorough and searching" interviews. I asked what he meant by that. Counselor in stake presidency said, "you should already know and understand what we mean". No further clarification was given.
  21. In this interview with Dehlin, Tom Christofferson speaks about his conversation with his brother after the policy was released to the public.
  22. His David O McKay biography won both the Mormon History association and the Utah Historical association prizes in 2005. As a trained historian why did you not consider reading his work? What do you have against the reviews of Prince written work by Richard Bushman and Jan Shipps? When the Journal of Mormon history reviewed the book they wrote, "they grew more confident on the material's accuracy, the further they read in the book." Yes they use the word accuracy. So take it up with the board of editors of JMH.
  23. Does anyone know who was running his twitter and facebook accounts? Every once in awhile someone would find a quote from one of his talks relevant to a current event or news story and post. During a number of his talks the last 10 years I would run phrases through the conference corpus and find out which talks he was remixing. I hope we can get to a point where emeritus apostleship is more seriously considered. The prophet Joseph tried to pass the baton to Hyrum around the time he was running for president.
  24. "When you meet someone, treat them as if they were in serious trouble, and you will be right more than half the time.” Pres Eyring's district president https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2004/04/in-the-strength-of-the-lord?lang=eng
  25. Jesus became as little child, as a "sheep before her shearers is silent" to allow himself to be crucified. otherwise "he would send me more than twelve legions of angels" in defense.
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