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  1. Interesting. I suppose you would agree with Clayton Christensen that he was misquoted? "commenting on a theoretical Mormon disagreement with church doctrine"
  2. Polygamy is not allowed to be discussed, quoted, or compared to non monagamy according to the funny rules of the other thread.
  3. Compare w parti visit the other thread "Ladies and gentlemen, I exhort you to think for yourselves, and read your Bibles for yourselves, get the Holy Spirit for yourselves, and pray for yourselves, that your minds may be divested of false traditions and early impressions that are untrue. Those who are acquainted with the history of the world are not ignorant that polygamy has always been the general rule and monogamy the exception. Since the founding of the Roman empire monogamy has prevailed more extensively than in times previous to that. The founders of that ancient empire were robbers and women stealers, and made laws favoring monogamy in consequence of the scarcity of women among them, and hence this monogamic system which now prevails throughout all Christendom, and which has been so fruitful a source of prostitution and whoredom throughout all the Christian monogamic cities of the Old and New World, until rottenness and decay are at the root of their institutions both national and religious." Personality of God, His Attributes, Eternal Life, President Brigham Young, Bowery, SLC, June 18, 1865.
  4. Just sharing some humor on this topic: Official Declaration 1 (2013) The Bible and the Book of Mormon teach that monogamy is God’s standard for marriage unless He declares otherwise (see 2 Samuel 12:7–8 and Jacob 2:27, 30). for partii visit the other thread
  5. What were Russell Nelson's views <1978 on racial equality, brown v board of education, loving v va, and the priesthood/temple ban?
  6. Each time I read a headline on DN about "new details" it reads like click bate to be honest. The new program does not exist. A guidebook will be released with general activity ideas like the church has in Spain and Brazil. "unlike previous programs, children and youth will “choose their own goals to help them grow spiritually, socially, physically and intellectually.”
  7. Yes - will find the link where I read this and report back.
  8. From what I can tell there is no program(s) replacing scouting. There is no replacement youth program. It's just mutual like usual 2 weeks/mo and the other 2 weeks the program was dropped. Home based activities.
  9. I bought Snuffer's book 13 verses a few years ago and thought it was good. After reading this book I gave a gift to my dad for Christmas The Second Comforter. A few months later Snuffer got in trouble, and my dad complained that I gave him an apostate book. I had no idea, having never read the Passing the Heavenly Gift book.
  10. Do you believe the black African priesthood and temple ban was inspired by God?
  11. lds view w wordcruncher https://ldsview.wordcruncher.com/ I like the right mouse click on the greek look up definition in dictionary. Don't think it uses the latest NA 28 though.
  12. It hurts to read these statements like the ones I drafted in jest. The video of this OP does not have any of the elements I listed. Nor does the new book Saints other than the cat landing on its feet at the 1826 trial. Concerning the image with a scribe copying down characters from the plates, there are statements from Lucy Mack Smith's 1844 history, and from Joseph Knight Sr. which have a different narrative than Joseph as translator. I read this article by Michael Mackay and it looks like early on he was copying down many characters off the plates to have them translated by other scholars - not to prove to Martin that this was a good investment but actually to "git them translated" and produce an alphabet and grammar primer like he did with the KEP GAEL project with the book of "Abraham" [Osiris Sheshonq] https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/grammar-and-alphabet-of-the-egyptian-language-circa-july-circa-november-1835/51 Reuben Hale may have served as copyist of the characters for a time as well. No seer stone was used, as he was just copying characters. https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/approaching-antiquity-joseph-smith-and-ancient-world/git-them-translated-translating Also see Christopher Smith's paper comparing book of mormon Egyptian Alphabet work with the Book of [Sheshonq] work in which some scans of the Egyptian Alphabet are in Joseph's own handwriting. October 1, 1835, "This after noon labored on the Egyptian Alphabet, in company with brsr O[liver] Cowdery and W[illiam] W. PHelps: The system of astronomy was unfolded." https://www.jstor.org/stable/43200343?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
  13. Was Jesus a Nazarite? I thought his water to wine miracle was a big deal - excellent fermentation takes time, but this would run counter to the nazarite code of ethics. This miracle did not involve a flavor enhancer hidden in his robe from Walmart.
  14. Anyone have a scan of the original letter from Hyrum Smith defining what forbidden drinks were covered for being too hot? What year was it that Joseph F. Smith finally quit indulging in alcohol?
  15. Just to be clear there was no cover up. Everyone knows about Sally's green glass, the brown stone discovery in the iron kettle, how the white stone was used to discover the location of the plates and identity of the wife to accompany the hill cumorah visit, the verdict on the 1826 glasslooker trial, and the artwork in the old preach my gospel was correct. Joseph did early on copy down characters from the plates w no seer stone used and sent out Martin with the intention of having an alphabet prepared by scholars such as Caleb Atwater and Constantine Rafinesque (early maya work), and Samuel Mitchell. The writings by Mitchell on the native Americans is key.
  16. In our ward we have had a similar disillusionment as to who is leading missionary work in the ward - the EQP or Ward mission leader considering they were released from attending ward council meetings we thought the calling would soon be disbanded. Entire ward mission leadership released last Sunday and all ward missionaries.
  17. My primary concern with growth statistics is that resignations may overtake growth in 5 - 10yrs. It would be difficult to report total membership if it is lower than the year before. Thankfully African countries without good access to the internet are growing fast. At least that's what one of the internet marketing consultants for the church told me when he had a conversation with Sheri Dew. We audit our stake finances every 6 months, so we have good conversations.
  18. What is the reason that Brigham did not believe the word of wisdom revelation to convert into a commandment deserved changing the wording in section 89? For example using wine for the sacrament is ok if it's traceable to dixie wine manufactured by ourselves.
  19. No, the brown Jasper Genesis stone was the first stone discovered when Joseph borrowed Sallys glass when he was 13. The white gazelem stone was the 2nd stone discovered while digging a well for Willard Chase using the brown as a scrying aid. This is what culminates in the battle of the seers saga.
  20. The brown seerstone was used for all of the book of Mormon we have today. Joseph found it by borrowing Sally's green glass. Through the green glass Joseph discovered in vision the location of the brown seer stone underground in an iron kettle near lake Erie. White seer stone used for envisioning the location of the tumbaga plates
  21. God knows how to build a ship, yet he's speaking with ants constrained to the resources of a primitive economy. Proverbs 30:24-28 24 “Four things on earth are small, yet they are extremely wise: 25 Ants are creatures of little strength, yet they store up their food in the summer; 26 hyraxes are creatures of little power, yet they make their home in the crags; 27 locusts have no king, yet they advance together in ranks; 28 a lizard can be caught with the hand, yet it is found in kings’ palaces.
  22. I don't know if its reductionist, more grounded in complexity and economic theory. In the Expanse by Abraham and Franck the mormons contract Fred Johnson to build the largest starship ever constructed the LDSS Nauvoo. The starship has Epstein fusion drives, and is constructed of materials which we cannot mass produce at the current time. The book series is set in the future about +300 years. Would it be plausible to assume that one person receiving dreams, visions, and direct visitations, with a team of a few hundred can produce the LDSS Nauvoo in 2019?
  23. Wadi Sayq is interesting, but only 1% of the problem, because you still have to build a ship with technology 2000yrs early to transport the deutero-Isaiah and excerpts from the book of Malachi to Guatemala. Making a pencil - that's hard. How to make a transoceanic "nau - class" vessel - much harder. https://youtu.be/IYO3tOqDISE
  24. Not sure how successful we will be pulling people from other Christian churches using commonly used Christian vocabulary, like saved by grace, sermons, 'our pastor' is awesome, bible study every 2 weeks, etc. We need to embrace our quirkiness as polytheists, non-trinitarian, non sola-fideist synergists, semi-pelagian, arian heresy embracing, non sola scriptura, living oracles, gethsemane believing, cross-banning, evolutionary God/Goddess embracing, exotic marriage founded, like LDS chaplains do when grouped with the wiccans, scientologists, and JW's.
  25. Look there was not a single drop of blood wasted. He atoned for the sins of the elect.
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