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  1. i wasn't trying to weaponize. will delete comment
  2. blueglass

    Pres. Oaks talk - Be One event

    What may be the personal implications of 80% of the survey respondents carrying around the burden of the troubling aspects of the ban? Of those surveyed in the article "About four in five [80%] say they are at least a little “troubled” by the ban, while one in five are “not at all troubled.” Should we give glory to God that he hardened Brigham's heart? Exodus 7:3 "And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt." or should we believe Joseph Smith that Pharaoh hardened his own heart, Exodus 10:1 "JST Ex. 10:1 … for he hath hardened his heart, and the hearts of his servants, therefore I will show these my signs before him;" When Joseph Smith authorized Elijah Abel's ordination and when Joseph's brother William ordained Walker Lewis was this in fulfillment of God's will or was it a mistake as Abraham Smoot, Joseph F. Smith, and Harold B Lee believed?
  3. blueglass

    Pres. Oaks talk - Be One event

    d&cov131:5-6, (May 17th, 1843.) The more sure word of prophecy means a man’s knowing that he is sealed up unto eternal life, by revelation and the spirit of prophecy, through the power of the Holy Priesthood. 6 It is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance." ignorantia - Latin ‘not knowing’ 1john5:13"I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life." Gal 3:28-29 "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." The long and promised day was when Elijah Abel was ordained an Elder on March 3, 1836. Here is his ordination certificate signed by Joseph Smith. https://goo.gl/images/ZRXBZH Even if Elijah's last name were 'Cain' not 'Abel' Joseph Smith would have endorsed his ordination personally. Why? Because Joseph believed Article of Faith 2. That men will be punished only for their own sins and not for [Cain's] sins.
  4. blueglass

    Pres. Oaks talk - Be One event

    "we don't know" is a position of laziness. "seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom; seek learning, even by study and also by faith." D&C88:118. If we do no studying and simply inquire of the Lord then we will fail. "you took no thought save it was to ask me." D&Cov9:7. It is exemplary of the position of laman and lemuel who said, "Behold, we cannot understand the words which our father hath spoken concerning the natural branches of the olive-tree, and also concerning the Gentiles. 8 And I said unto them: Have ye inquired of the Lord? 9 And they said unto me: We have not; for the Lord maketh no such thing known unto us. " "10 Wherefore, come ye unto it, and with him that cometh I will reason as with men in days of old, and I will show unto you my strong reasoning." D&Cov 45:10 To clutch to the "we don't know" position is to give Harold B. Lee a high five when he said in his April 1961 talk rebuking historians, "Somehow a little lapse or a little failure to research properly they had reached a conclusion that they had wanted to reach - to make it appear as though something had been done away a way back that we have departed from and therefore ought to be set in order." There are no reputable scholars who support this 1969 "we don't know" position. At least the 1949 first presidency statement although not in agreement with the Lord was in agreement with Brigham Young. As Edward Kimball wrote, "For Brigham Young, the matter was uncomplicated."
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    Pres. Oaks talk - Be One event

    Here's a transcript of his interview with an AP reporter from 1988 at the tenth anniversary. His views have not changed much if at all in 30 years. The AP reporter asks these apostles about the 1969 vote to overturn the ban and they sound at a loss as to what to think of it. https://www.dropbox.com/s/q6b6uxiwe6oj7dg/Oaks Maxwell AP interview_ProvoDailyHerald_5June1988.docx?dl=0
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    Pres. Oaks talk - Be One event

    It's like there is this war between correlation and scholarship within the church itself. Leadership pushes a fake irresponsible rationale of "we don't know" through correlation and CES and throws the essays into footnotes. The phrase "we don't know" is not found anywhere in the race and priesthood essay. Yet it was added to the new OD2 introduction which is really bad - which is one reason it keeps getting perpetuated like in the June 2018 Ensign. The ensign/liahona circulates all over the globe so we're perpetuating the problem another generation. Then we have the OD2 lesson for our seminary kids updated which again includes more of these "we don't know" lies. A few citations from lesson 157 [Doctrine and Covenants and Church History Seminary Teacher Manual (2013)] "Point out that students may be asked why the Church did not ordain men of African descent to the priesthood for a time. Invite them to consider how they might answer this question. Affirm that it is appropriate to explain to others that we do not know why the priesthood restriction began." When responding to difficult questions the lesson even praises the we don't know answer as a sign of righteous humility. "[A teacher] should have the humility to say, ‘I don’t know.’ Often that will be the only true answer” (Teach Ye Diligently [1975], 65)" At the end it quotes Oaks again on the Lord's unknowable mysteries and lack of reasons from a talk he gave way back in 1988 which he repeated nearly verbatim at the June1 2018 celebration. He's been giving these talks for awhile so he doesn't have to read Reeve or Harris, or any new historical scholarship. He just has to pull up words from his old 10th anniversary talk in 1988 and there you go! "Official Declaration 2. Avoid attaching man-made reasons to God’s revelations “In a 1988 interview on the tenth anniversary of the revelation on the priesthood, [Elder Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles] explained [his] attitude toward attempts to supply mortal reasons for divine revelation: “‘If you read the scriptures with this question in mind, “Why did the Lord command this or why did he command that,” you find that in less than one in a hundred commands was any reason given. It’s not the pattern of the Lord to give reasons. "
  7. blueglass

    Pres. Oaks talk - Be One event

    Thanks for citing the interview as he (Reeve) wrote the majority of the Race and Priesthood essay. It's great to hear him rip apart the "we don't know" excuses.
  8. blueglass

    Pres. Oaks talk - Be One event

    We need the gift of discernment to sift through the statements of leaders. We can compare against the purest light of truth - the gospel and mission statements of the church. For example, when receiving the first presidency letter from Aug 17, 1949 the saints could in effect take the words and then figuratively try to etch these on the Tree of 1 Nephi 11:21, to see if the words bring enlightenment and joy - to see if it moves us to goodness, beauty, and truth, "Yea, it is the love of God, which sheddeth itself abroad in the hearts of the children of men; wherefore, it is the most desirable above all things." If it does not and certainly the Aug 17, 1949 was pure garbage then we should reject it - call upon others to and overthrow the falsehoods with the full influence and power of the body of the saints. On "dough heads" I was referring to JS quote (Council of Fifty, Minutes, Mar. 10, 1844, in JSP, CFM:39.) https://history.lds.org/article/council-of-fifty-minutes-joseph-smith-papers?lang=eng
  9. blueglass

    Pres. Oaks talk - Be One event

    This is where Lester Bush's historic paper from 1973 helped break apart the falsehood which had concretized the false doctrine barnacles that had grown. Look my point is that it is a cooperative work between the body of the saints, the prophets and leaders, and the Lord. For example on race the Lord called up and inspired true prophets to fight against the false doctrines of the leaders of the ecclesiastical priesthood. As President Monson quoted in conference (west point cadet prayer), "Make us to choose the harder right instead of the easier wrong, and never to be content with a half truth when the whole can be won." The true prophetic voices of Orson Pratt, Lowry Nelson, Stuart Udall, Sterling McMurrin, Hugh B. Brown, Mildred Calderwood McKay, Lester Bush, Spencer Kimball, cried out to proclaim the truth as they each called for the removal of the bad branches of the olive tree. The revelation they received was pure light from heaven, brave strength spoken to power. When we pray for the gift of discernment and inspiration from heaven and receive lying whispers and words of weakness such as , "So do I", or "there has been no answer", or "not yet", or "leave the subject alone" (Prince, DOM and the rise of modern mormonism pgs 103-104) we need to relentlessly fight through to get the actual revealed truth.
  10. blueglass

    Pres. Oaks talk - Be One event

    In gospel principles class just this sunday the topic was prophets. We read amos 3:7 about prophets and the Lord would do nothing save he reveals his sod to the prophets. All I could say on this one was that I didn't believe that God took a vacation during the apostasy. In a similar manner for me I believe God was working hard to prevent and overthrow the ban but prophets and apostles were not listening. They shut out God, listened to and adopted the false teachings of man, and then twisted revealed doctrine to hedge up and thwart the work of God. The long promised day for the priesthood and temple blessings to be extended to all was when Elijah Abel was ordained on March 3, 1836. This was the Lord's plan and will. Everything that followed to prevent the Lord from continuing on this plan was a huge catastrophe. As our stake president was in our class and visiting, I was curious where the direction would go when our teacher then followed the lesson manual and began pounding the pulpit on the next part of the lesson which discussed Wilford Woodruff's quote, “The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. " Teacher asked how we can know if we should follow the prophet and that he is indeed teaching the truth. My last comment here was that we need the spirit of discernment to know if the prophet is speaking the Lord's will and truth or not. I then gave the example of how prophets invented folk doctrines to prevent blacks from receiving temple ordinances as it says in the race and priesthood essay. THe stake president then refuted me and said that was not true, and that we need to just follow the prophet. The teacher nodded his head, and said the prophet will never lead us astray and never has and will never teach false doctrine. Then the class ended. Here is Brigham Young's response to "dough heads" in which he calls for the body of the saints to rise up in revolution and if they don't they're "careless and unconcerned". SLC 3rd ward, June 23, 1874: “I have often said to the Latter-day Saints — ‘Live so that you will know whether I teach you truth or not.’ Suppose you are careless and unconcerned, and give way to the spirit of the world, and I am led, likewise, to preach the things of this world and to accept things that are not of God, how easy it would be for me to lead you astray!”
  11. blueglass

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    Elder Stapley is pushing Stewart's infamous Mormonism and the Negro booklet in this letter to George Romney. For Romney I'm sure reading this garbage pushed him to redouble his efforts on the advancement of civil rights. http://sainesburyproject.com/mormonstuff/Mormonism and the Negro.pdf This booklet has all the folklore false doctrine passed around the general authorities rolled into one. If you look up on section (II) we are now trying to shift from 2. "Confess we do not know the reason" to 1. "Be apologizers for the church". Unfortunately the ensign editors are still in the "we do not know" crowd based on the article in the June 2018 ensign. A number of sections taught to our seminary kids on OD2 also encourages the teacher to push the "we don't know" ideas and to help the children become comfortable with saying to others "we do not know why". I think this is an outgrowth of President Hinckley's apologetic to the german news reporter and dodges the "white privilege" and racial environmental reasons promulgated by Brigham Young - facts highlighted in the race and priesthood essay.
  12. blueglass

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    This is a repeat of what occurred in December 1969 when Hugh B. Brown tried hard to overthrow the racial ban on blacks. At the time when Hugh B Brown called the meeting he did so while Harold B. Lee and Alvin Dyer were out of the country. It passed. However, when Harold B Lee returned he was furious. He then forced Hugh B. Brown to sign a statement reaffirming the racism. He broke down in tears over the high pressure coercion. Elder Spencer Kimball was in tears as he witnessed the injustice. Elder Kimball said at the time, "We're wrong" and said he did "not have the courage to stand up to Lee". This is quoted in Mormon Church and Blacks by Harris and Bringhurst pg 80.
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    The beginning of the priesthood/temple ban

    I'm reading Terryl Givens wrestling the angel, and he calls this black eternal family ban "a terrible human tragedy", and in another place, "a colossal mistake countenanced by ten LDS prophets".
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    The beginning of the priesthood/temple ban

    Reminded of a quote by Heber C Kimball from 1857, "Was every woman qualified to raise that child? No. You will find that Mary was of the Royal Priesthood, which is after the order of God;" So back to one of the purposes this thread, was Jane Manning James prevented from receiving the endowment because women do receive power and authority of priesthood and office of priestess and she was black? The language in OD2 is all male centric, for example, "all of our brethren who are worthy may receive the priesthood, " "we have pleaded long and earnestly in behalf of these, our faithful brethren" "the long-promised day has come when every faithful, worthy man in the Church may receive the holy priesthood, with power to exercise its divine authority, " "Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color." There is nothing in the OD2 that refers to the black temple ban against women. Why were there any restrictions on black women receiving the blessings of the temple endowment?
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