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Bill "Papa" Lee

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About Bill "Papa" Lee

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  • Birthday 05/31/1957

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  1. All four of my children have great jobs now, except for the one stay at home Mom, until next year when he youngest starts school. My oldest son, has landed a dream job, working for a computer company. He works (for the most part) from home, but there is a lot of travel. His salary is $200,000.00 a year. I gave him four pieces of advice. 1. Always assume, no matter where you are, who you are, and the values that you have been taught. 2. In addition, no matter what you are doing, and wherever you are, assume that someone is recording you, this will ensure you don't embarrass the company. Well at least not too much. 3. Wherever you are, and no matter who may be around, you look both ways before crossing the road, and always be on the lookout for rental trucks or vans, and react as needed! Terrorists love targeting Americans, especially outside of America. But also be on the look out here, especially in large cities. 4. When possible, always take family with you. Keep them close, because little else matters more than family, and they will keep you honest, and honorable. It seems that these four sentences listed, fit all of advice, Should I add more? If so what my friends?
  2. I am not the only one who believes he was translated and not died. I am not the only Latter-day Saint, nor the only Christian or Jew, for that matter. ETA: Who says Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible? Almost everyone living or dead, and the Bible.
  3. Bill "Papa" Lee

    The Changing of the Guard, Part 2...as predicted.

    I never suggested otherwise, so unsure the point you are making. Also using my post to respond too, suggests that I am not in favor of the most precious teaching of Jesus Christ. So could you put this in context so that others do not believe I am opposed to such ministry?
  4. Bill "Papa" Lee

    Treat gay people as a race.

    I answered this in another post, but now I wish to give you a different take. The Priesthood ban was based of those of African Descent, it was not based solely on color, as it did not apply to others persons with Black skin color (if memory serves), or dark skin color. It applied to those who were descended from Ham, one of the three Sons of Noah. Other condition were based on the sins or actions of the individual. But (as the Church has already stated, in short) were and are based upon not, historical and cultural norms of early America, and early Church History. Both of which are very interwoven, and are one in the same. Both of which were once denied, on the simple fact that Racism is, having forgotten, that "Good is no respector persons". It ignored that the Gospel in the Book of Acts, that when forth to all, and on it went to the African man. It was history being rewritten that gave rise to many Nations, including America, that gave rise to slavery, and anti-black history, anti-Irish, anti- Scotish desrimination, allowing each of the cultures and people to be enslaved here in America. The difference is that many cultures, other than English who enslaved each, allowed all to work off their servitude after just seven years. Of course it was almost iimpossible to purchase good land, fertile land, or any other land from, the rich, who became rich of the backs of other cultures, that they wanted. It was not impossible, but very difficult. Some many who were political enemies of th English Crown. So for those who wanted land, like myself and my ancestors had to become "Mountian People", which gave us all, and unique and wonderful heritage. For many who were Black, had little to look to, and little to dream off. However some did rise and establish lands, and business, which we almost always agricultural, and became "slave owners" themselves, slave owners, and fought for th South. Had they known, that they to would face, "Jm Crowe" laws, they would have rethought many decisions they made. Secessions that effected every walk in life, in education, segregation, and religious life. By the times they realized, it was too late. Having said all of this, even the congress while debating the 13th amendment, to abolish silvery, used the Bible, and the understanding of that day in an attempt to block ratification. Of cours it was the Democratic Party who was trying to block it. Every Republican made no such attempts, and everyone in the party voting in favor of the 13th amendment stood first, with no decanting votes, meaning not a single Republican voted against it, and 99% of the Democratic Party who voted for it, did so by being offered new jobs in the Federal Gov't as none (I believe) were up for reelection. It was these social morays, that sadly, made their imprint on our new, new Church also a few other events that caused this policy to become, "policy", not revelation. One such event, so I have been told, or read is the story is found in Church history, of a Black Priesthood holders who in "Winter Quaters", I believe, declared himself a Prophet and took a number of wives, most of who were white. Even still, it still could account for a reason, not an excuse to withhold thePriesthood to others whom Joseph ordained as Priests and Elders, maybe ever High Priests. Sadly that, even most who are ordained, be they Elders, or General Authorities, can still be weak men, and make common mistakes. The greatness in our Faith, is not because of our warts, or our inability see them, and rid ourselves of them, by these same warts, or weakness. Doing this, is when our beauty shines through, when we trade "our ashes for beauty". This is why I remain, our skill and "righting the ship", or "righting the Ark of the Covenant". It is in these moments when we see the "bride of Christ", adorned in her beautiful robes", making use all ready for the coming of the Lord. Lot of typing on my iPad, so be kind, as such much is not easy using my IPad.
  5. Bill "Papa" Lee

    The Changing of the Guard, Part 2...as predicted.

    Cannot agree, implementing a "ministry" program means that any, or all can serve wherever they are needed. This way all Prriesthood leaders and Relief Society Presidents can call upon all to come to their aid, and by "all", I mean all who can serve those, or the one in need.
  6. Bill "Papa" Lee

    The Changing of the Guard, Part 2...as predicted.

    I have no calling, and I have been praying for the Elders Quorum President's success. I have already offered any help I can over, but privately. Having served in an Elders Quorum Presidency, as a High Priest Group Leader, in a Bishopric, and a number of Stake callings, including High Counsel. I have no need or desire to impose my wishes upon him, nor trying to insert myself publicly within the Quorum. My fear is that he keeps asking, via survey and an open floor policy of how others think he should do things, instead of doing as the Stake President instructed him. The day he was called, he said the Stake President told him to lead and conduct according to the instructions in the Leadership materials provided to every Stake President, Bishop and (now) Elders Quorum President, along with all other auxiliaries.
  7. Bill "Papa" Lee

    The Changing of the Guard, Part 2...as predicted.

    I will, just have not had the opportunity. I would never, never, call out someone in public.
  8. Bill "Papa" Lee

    The Changing of the Guard, Part 2...as predicted.

    I do pray for him, he is young, but a great man, husband and father. I do not wish to knock the wind out of his sails by seeming critical. I would never do this, but it takes a great deal for me to attend all three hours. So if it becomes an ongoing open floor discussion about the same issues weekly, I would be better served doing two hours and taking less pain meds for my back. In fact anything that can help me take less pain meds is a plus.
  9. Bill "Papa" Lee

    Treat gay people as a race.

    What path do you speak of? The Church has come a long way in teaching Church members to be kind to Gay persons and Gay members. But the Church is under scriptural mandate to address all sexual sins, be they heterosexual or homosexual.
  10. Bill "Papa" Lee

    Treat gay people as a race.

    What does the Priesthood Ban have to do with Gay people being called or treated like a "different race"? It is your thread, but why take such a detour from the OP?
  11. Bill "Papa" Lee

    The Changing of the Guard, Part 2...as predicted.

    Well not hassled by phone calls, but many, many, more PPI's on Wednesday nights, or between meetings. So it will just be a different form of reporting, as in person.
  12. Bill "Papa" Lee

    Treat gay people as a race.

    Being Gay, is not a race. Adopting this thinking would suggest that all who feel picked on and bullied should be classified as a race. There is only one race, the human race.
  13. Bill "Papa" Lee

    The Changing of the Guard, Part 2...as predicted.

    You are right, and this could be the byproduct of such feelings.
  14. Bill "Papa" Lee

    The Changing of the Guard, Part 2...as predicted.

    I do not yet know what I was expecting. But if nothing is changing, why rename Home Teaching and Visiting Teaching? In short, changing the name, does not change the outcome. I remember when in the Army, we were instructed to stop calling the place where we ate, the "mess hall", and to start calling it the "dinning facility". Doing so did not change the quality of the food, or the way it was cooked.
  15. Since the sudden shakeup of the Elders Quorum and the High Priest Group, things have progressed as expected. Our first meeting was the Sunday after General Conference, the new Quorum was as I stated in my first thread. It was people giving their opinions on how the Elders Quorum should be run. Since the following Sunday was Stake Conference, I told my wife and sons (my sons are in the same Ward) that Sunday last would be exactly the same. As predicted it was the same, and worse, with an addition of a survey concerning "ministering". In the survey question were asked questions like... 1. What families would you like to serve? 2. What companions would you prefer? 3. Would you be willing to continue to "Home Teach" until new families can be assigned? Now, I do not know if this happened in any other Wards, but this "Ministering", is just going to be "Home Teaching and Visisting Teaching", by another name. The same assigning of families, home teaching companionships with Arronic Priesthood where possible, and when not possible others within Elders Quorum. The "reporting" will now be done via PPI's, instead of phone calls. Which is fine, but if it is just like Home Teaching, why call it something else? Following Priesthood, the son who was there on Sunday said, "you are creeping me out, how did you know, and how do you almost always know what is going to happen"? What hurt the most yesterday was the Elders Quorum President using a microphone to address us, stating that "it was for the High Priests who are always hard of hearing". Our Elders Quorum President speaks loudly, and continued to do so into the mic. At first we all thought it was a joke, but sadly we were wrong. He would pass the mic around, each time saying it was necessary for the High Priests. This might have been fine, if like the first Sunday, we were all over the chapel. But this Sunday we were all seated in the choir section that only has five rows. Not long into the meeting, one of the High Priests stood up to speak. When offered the mic, he said "I speak loud enough, and I am not going to use that, not a single person here is more than 12 foot from where I am standing". When the Elders Quorum repeated his same joke about our ability to hear, my friend said, "please stop doing that!". This is when I went into the hallways, only to realize all sitting near the chapel could hear what was being said on the mic. Was this the same everywhere? As for us, next Sunday it is the 5th Sunday, so joint meeting. I truly fear that this is all Priesthood will be in the future, which is little furture at all. Few lessons, little learning, and many no longer attending.
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