nuclearfuels
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Thank you, mfb - I appreciate your response. If I had delusions of grandeur which is likely - what path of service might you suggest for being a Temple Recorder at the Dubai Temple (not yet completed construction)? -
How then does one get called to such a position? Talk to stake presidencies? Temple presidencies? I dont know many General Authoirities I'm not trying to be difficult - just legitimately interested.
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Y'all seen callings like this in your stake? I have relatives in UT one of whom recently accpeted a calling as Education Specialist - apparently to help members of the ward obtain more education and improve thier lives.
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How do people get hired as Temple Recorders? I'd like to get a job like that.
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Here's the catch. Paying the price = counseling ,meciation, diet, exercise, etc
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This is not true - or the should is wide enoguh to fit the earth thru it. Medication, counseling, employment, finances, and all other forms of opposition and trials refine us - even as Temple worthy people.
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They adapted to a marriage of three partners, husband, wife, and God instrumentalized in the form of the Church. THat adaptation was not sustainable
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Yes - by design - and does that design exclude the same involvement when things are rough? God forbid.
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Perhaps those hoping someone will offer help or guidance - or in any way try to return the service, care, and sacrifice that couple has given to the ward and stake - for decades?
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Since we sustain them as being called of God to lead a congregation. Said congregations being composed primarily of, you guessed it, families - with two married heterosexual adults. Seems odd to me that this much detail is needed here. Such congregational leaders can surely recommend licensed therapist counseling, medication, etc. when prompted by the Spirt to do so. Or are we just absolving everyone in the Church from accountability for increasing divroce rates, locally and globally?
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the exception does not disprove the rule
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Mine too. Almost as if the more liberated we become (in the modern sense), the less we are actually free.
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I dont remember claiming this. My concern is - after all the Church asks and after all that we as members give, when couples are older, retired, kids are gone, etc. - then what? Does the responsiblity lesson - since the youth are generally the focus, as are converts? It's insulting to our intelligence to require service, tithe, etc. for decades and then when you and your spouse are retired, be wished: welp, good luck. See ya?
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Good question. I suppose what I'm saying is - it's incredibly difficult and nuanced to balance work, family, church. When retirement comes - after the kids and callings, tithing and taxes, commutes and disputes - the idea that either marriage partner would simply agree - as if their own opinion doesn't count or have validity - the ward and stake culture that helps the parents build the family for decades does what - to help senior couples?
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I would be my brother's keeper from Lord, I would follow Thee Mourn w/ those that mourn, comfort those that stand in need of comfort, etc. Baptismal covenant To be clear - the Church is not the only reason for the divorce, I am sure. At the same time - the ministering brothers, sisters, EQP, RS Pres, Bishopric, etc. - were they fulfiling thier callings and the divorce was never mentioned? Were they magnifiying their calling and the Spirit prompted them that the divorce was God's will?Of course not
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Maybe I'm just naive - and not a philosopher - but I dont think there's an absence of worthy, willing, and financially stable tithe payers in my stake let alone the entire church. That's more of a conspiracy than anything I wrote in this Q&A. Don't people grow into callings as they serve in them? If you're not growing is the calling very challenging then?
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After work and after tithing, Monday - FHE. Wed - youth acitvities. Thu - Datre NIght. Fri/Sat - Temple Visit. SUnday - church, meetings, etc. For a religion that asks a lot, to put it mildly - it is not acceptable to shrug and say: Welp, that couple never asked for help. It's awfully close to the addage: He/she was looking for a way to leave the church, after a person leaves the church due to thier or the church's politics.
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Noticed a trend in my stake - curious to see what you all have observed. Please share. One ward has a bishop who served in a prior stake presidency. This same ward's prior bishop was a branch president of the same congrgation a few years/decades prior. One ward has a new elder's quorum presidency - comprised of a fomer bishop, and two former stake high councilmen. I understand the need for prior bishops to serve as stake high councilmen and in stake presidencies. Acknowledging that at times callings are extended and rejected, and in high cost of living areas some wards and stakes have a limited amount of tithe-paying, Melchezidek priesthood holders who have the time, means and ability to serve in such callings - still - calling the same or a similar line of leadership for ward positions - after they've served in stake leadership positions - doesn't teach the current generation of people who are ready and willing to serve. This makes me consider that money, income, wealth are in fact greater influences in obtaining leadership positions than I previously thought. Finishing the line of thinking - if serving in whatever calling one is given while maintaing a Temple recommend (paying tithing, etc.) - in other words, experience - doesn't help people progress - at least not in terms of having more asked of them in the form of leadership callings - the experience is then good for what? Fast and testimony meeting?
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I'm saddened to have learned a couple in our stake is getting dirovced. 57 years of marriage. He was a bishop several decades prior. She alwasy supported him. I heard there may have been some mental health issues that cotributed to the situation. ALso their kids were in UT; she wanted to move from the east coast and he wanted to stay. tl;dr - I feel accountable and I feel the ministering sisters, ministering brothers, elder's quorum, Relief Society, bishopric, and other ward and stake friends bear some responsiblty in this. I was told that ward and stake leadership can help only as much as they're asked to. The problem with that is that it essentially absovles the Church from all responsibility which is factually inaccurate.
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Was this the Apostles calling a Presidency of the 70, similar to Moses' calling a Quorum of 70 in Numbers 11 and Exodus 24? 5 ¶ And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they achose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the bHoly Ghost, and cPhilip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: 6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they alaid their bhands on them. 7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the apriests were obedient to the faith. 8 And Stephen, full of faith and apower, did great wonders and bmiracles among the people.
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Yhwh and the Messiah, are the two the same?
nuclearfuels replied to Pyreaux's topic in General Discussions
Excellent. I'm not sure who on this board but someone a few months back shared a comment that the title Messiah and Savior are callings. If so, YHWH seeing the suffering of His Mortal Messiah self as well as future (and previous?) Messiah's whom He may have seen in vision His future role in ordaining - that makes sense to me. And here I thought Isiah was deep prior to learning about your inquiry. The Son doeth nothing but what He seeth the Father doeth. Worlds without end. D7C 130:10 https://site.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/130?lang=eng&adobe_mc_ref=https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/130?lang=eng&adobe_mc_sdid=SDID=54767DD928B05C20-78F48A4F5F768696|MCORGID=66C5485451E56AAE0A490D45%40AdobeOrg|TS=1688303747&v=V01 -
Yhwh and the Messiah, are the two the same?
nuclearfuels replied to Pyreaux's topic in General Discussions
"Yhwh is making the Messiah suffer, and can mean he's making his future-self suffer is a permissible reading. I don't know which way to pursue." As Jaydes said: the pre-mortal Messiah, YHWH, chose to endure unimaginable suffering to complete the Atonement and fulfill El's divine plan of happiness. Your post has actually helped me understand Isaih 53 more. I always thought it was the Father seeing a future tense mortal Son of His, suffering and dying. THe way you wrote the OP / questions suggests: JHWH knew and had a complete understanding of what was coming, what was expected, and who (He alone) would be able to do it. -
“But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.” (Luke 22:31–32.) Curious as to synonyms for the word converted in this verse. Peter had walked on water, witnessed many miracles the Savior did, and likely saw and heard many heavenly divinely-inspired events. If he was not converted, what was lacking? Was it his questioning the Savior's prophecy on how Peter woudl deny the Savior three times? If Peter wasn't converted, I don't know how I'm even considered a member let alone Temple-worthy.
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I agree with this statement from General COnference: Good information leads to good inspiration. Does it then follow that we can determine what Good Info we provide for those who determine future callings? Curious as to what results have been attained by those of you who more or less achieved specific Good Information accomplishmetns or service / volunteer / callings vs. say for example, serving in Primary for +10 years as my siblings and I have. Say for example before your 1:00pm ward meets, you went to a 9 o'clock foreign langauge branch (small congregation) without being called or invited toa ttend there - - what has that led to in your experience? Really I'm asking what results have those of you who have visualized your goals in church service (and in other volunteer service) when you are retired - and then worked toward those goals - what results have you seen?
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Faith promotoing rumor or not?