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  1. "Oketch is among hundreds of thousands of Christian men in this East African nation with multiple wives despite Catholic and other church teachings. About 1.5 million Kenyans, or 10 percent of the married population, are in a polygamous marriage, according to the latest data from the Kenya Population and Housing Census. More than 85 percent of Kenyans are Christian, while a third of the country is Catholic. Around 10 percent are Muslim." - The Trib writer's sophistry isn't working (Christians in Kenya are practicing polygamy; aren't they bad people with wrong think?). The article is suggesting it's mostly Christians practicing polygamy.
  2. Your question is extremely important! When people feel too similar to others (callings in EQ, YMP - HOnda Odyssey/Mormon Assault vehicle-driving Milk Toast, etc.) they gravitate toward other groups where they can feel a stronger sense of belonging. IT makes me wonder if many of my LDS friends and fellow ward memebrs seem so exahusted all the time: they got married, had kids, despite any challegnes or limiatations God gave them - to show His glory to them and others, min His time - this exhausting lifestyle seesm to ahve left some of us with little empathy for others, seeking more empathy from others standing in awe of the sacrifices we've overcome to comply wiht our own individual misinterpretaiton fo the gospel - as many GA's have sated repeatedly abotu exceptison - to missions, marriage, kids, etc. What makes me unique, among other things: 1. I advocate the legalizing of polygamy 2. I advocate Church HQ and non-Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints religious HQ's being made sovereign like the Catholic Church's HQ 3. I advocate the exit from the BSA that;s coming in December and wish it had happened decades ago 4. I advocate driving cars that are older and have historic plates...even when I'm not driving them to antique car shows that I dont attend 5. I believe ADHD, Asperger's Syndrome and a few other "disabilities" are the next stage in evolution. 6. I cant list too many more without revealing my mild-mannered alter ego.
  3. Kenya legalized polygamy in 2014. Any readers here serve mission there and have to tell investigators they'd need to stop the practice before being able to be baptized? I understand in Latin America a lot of married people split up but forgo the legal part of making the divorce official and that has to be done before they can be baptized. Germany is trying to indirectly legalize polygamy for one of their migrant culture's beliefs. My wife and I support our ancestors who practiced polygamy, to say nothing of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob practicing polygamy. Curious as to your thoughts: Will other African countries and European countries following suit? Will / Should people in Congress - Ilhan, Tlaib, Romney, Bishop, etc. allow migrants here to practice what their faith encourages? Declining populations (Japan, Europe) really have two options: welcome in higher fertility populations from other countries or legalize polygamy. Pushed by politicians, polygamy enjoys a heyday among Christians in ... Germany: Citizenship for Polygamous Migrants?
  4. I see the show as an attempt to make money within the LDS culture. As for the polygamous version, I've already acquired the rights to it. Taking early investments from interested parties now.
  5. I loved serving as a clerk! It was awesome! Your comment here reminds me of a question I need to ask you adn the community here. Coming soon
  6. Truman Madsen (not a GA and his opinion only)said something like: When we think of eternity, after every tomorrow there is another tomorrow. So it is with God and the worlds He created, without number; before every yesterday there was another yesterday. Jesus said: The Son doeth nothing but what He seeth the Father do. If that applies to everything the Savior did, then God the Father during His mortality was also a Savior within the jurisidiction of all the worlds He helped create under the direction of His Father / Parents / Heavenly Council. The phrase: one eternal round / circuit / cycle has helped me not understand but ponder more on this concept. Each software system has a lifecycle. Seasons have an annual lifecycle. All the planets have an orbit / cycle I think Joseph Smith said in the King Follet sermon somethign like: if something has a beginning then it will have an end. God et al. had no beginning and so They and we, Their offspring, will also have no end
  7. Come Follow Me, weekly readings- I'm wondering if those of you more well read (not hard) than me might know of opinions, LDS and otherwise, that suggest the every cell of the Savior's body suffered for us, in Gethsemane. Thanks
  8. Not to worry, I'm sure those open-minded corporate donors will continue helping out
  9. Yep. I've struggled with that for a while now. Someone in my ward a while back shared this quote which I'm trying to internalize but having trouble with that. “Change in our own church assignments may be even more disturbing. Often when we express a wish to never have that assignment, the bishop or stake president offers us the blessings of that self-same calling. At those times it is good to remember the words of Paul when he, troubled by many ailments, said, “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me” (Philip. 4:13). https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1979/10/progress-through-change?lang=eng
  10. I didn't know any Seventies when they were teenagers, least not yet. More importantly, is that a Darth Vader text/emoji? Dude. That's why you are THE Nehor. Not a Nehor
  11. Probably because, on the average, GA's follow a succession of callings and when we see someone following that same path, we're excited - in the hopes we might one day say: I knew him/her back when... * I understand there are some GA's that don't follow the typical succession but the exception does not disprove the rule or the average experience or all the other evidence to the contrary.
  12. Don't leave me hangin' bro. New England, rural? suburban?
  13. I don't see it as "urging govt control of this decision." It's more like - hey, should we authorize the gov't to take money we earned, by force, via taxes, (taxes or prison is the choice) and use some of those taxes to fund murdering babies. Seems like an odd move - say for example a person of any faith/religion objected to killing babies - the choice is currently: pay taxes or goto jail; those taxes will go where the guiltless Congress decides. Don't like it? Run for office. And from that, you find the opposing party to be controlling.
  14. Isaiah 3:12 - As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee (politicians) cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. I doubt the Church is moving toward a pro-choice, pro-murder-the-innocent stance. You may have been misinformed about the current position. Let Hollywood take it's murderous filth and blood money elsewhere. GA will continue growing, especially greater Atlanta.
  15. Excellent question, Metis! I believe the resurrection is a quickening / restoration / reconstruction, recovery, refurbishment, rehabilitation, reinstatement, renewal, renovation, repatriation, revival, cure, healing, recuperation, redemption, reimbursement, rejuvenation, remedy, reparation, replacement, restitution, return, revivification, reanimation, redintegration, reinstitution, reinvigoration, remodeling - of the material our temporal mortal bodies were made of. As to where did those temporal elements come from - the story of Adam and Eve from the KJV was equivalent to telling kids the stork brings a new baby, at least in Brigham's opinion. In that sense, the components of our temporal bodies that are from our Heavenly Parents are currently sleeping / dormant but will be released / activated at the time of the Resurrection http://ogdenkraut.com/?page_id=149 As for multiple resurrections - or the idea of eternal progression - this might come from exercising faith, obedience, etc. over the thousands of years in the next life. Clearly there is a difference between an acorn and an oak tree, and so, a difference between a person who has progressed 5 years and 5,000 years in the eternities. Pondering on these things gives me an appreciation for the idea of reincarnation for while it isn't what Adam and Eve taught, it's the closest thing to the pure doctrine eternal progression coming outside of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints.
  16. Excellent question! First, never buy a Ford. Only buy Hondas but not the newer models. The repair ratio, MPG, safety, reliability are better than Ford's. I'd also suggest buying older models with fewer electronics, as that also leads to fewer repairs. Now if you really want to save money, buy a Honda that qualifies for historic license plates. Lower car insurance, better mileage, fewer repairs, and the drivers of newer models let you into the lane you want during traffic since they dont want your historic car to nudge their newer car
  17. Probably some form of Messianic Buddhism but thats just me
  18. The 2015 policy seems, to me, to be an extension of the existing policy that was already in place for Muslim and polygamous children. I'm not an expert or anywhere near that level; just seems to me like policy does not equal revelation. Example: was a revelation required when the same policy was originally written and children of polygamous and Islamic parents were listed? Were promptings required? Sure and they were likely followed. I try not to view things from a personal perspective - like just to me - math, physics, science, morality, exist and they always have and will so I dont see any benefit in me getting offended by their existence. I doubt God, Jesus, Their Ancestors created principles like gravity, inertia, priesthood, math, morality, biology, etc. Just me here but I think They likely followed the principles Their Predecessors followed. So for me to think that current, mortal leaders of the Church can redefine principles they did not create seems misguided. Isaiah 10:15 - Shall the axe (Church) boast itself against him that heweth therewith (God, Jesus)? or shall the saw (Church) magnify itself against him that shaketh it (God, Jesus)? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were not wood. As for polygamy - the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is the least of your worries. I doubt plural marriage has certainly spelled the permanent relegation to marginal status for Islam, whose religion practices it. You wouldn't want to interpret that religion, its people, culture, etc. in a binary fashion, would you? First Amendment: Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
  19. 1 Corinthians 15: 29 Else what shall they do which are abaptized bfor the dead, if the dead crise not at all? why are they then baptized for the ddead? So Paul is writing to the saints in Corinth. He's referencing a practice/ordinance they were at least aware of if not familiar with. Who is Paul referencing? Which group of saints (probably more than one?)? Read somewhere that the font at Solomon's Temple wasn't used for baptisms for the dead (Levitical does not equal Melchezidek authority, for another thread, please.) And Joseph Smith et al. didn't use a Temple for this ordinance at first, so a Temple wasn't required per se. Hone’s Apocryphal New Testament which I haven't read, but believe some of you likely have, has some apocryphal references like Shepherd of Hermas, Acts of Paul and Thecla, and Gospel of Nicodemus Baptism for the Dead what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, 1 Cor. 15:29. baptized for those who are dead, D&C 124:29. in relation to the baptism for your dead, D&C 127:5. baptism for the dead, D&C 128:1. vicarious baptism for the remission, D&C 138:33. See also John 3:1–10; 5:25–29.
  20. Excellent question! I think most of us, especially me, would have a hard time believing a person like Joseph Smith had we lived when he did - let alone our ward family whose shortcomings we might know a little bit about, and whom we might be jealous of, or slighlty silently disdainful of, or ...ya know
  21. Actually - I'd take it as far as they'd like. Some family members prefer to not communicate with some other family members. Do they need therapy and Rx? Sure, but am I in a position to diagnose and prescribe? No I send them gifts on holidays and remain open to when they might return and open the conversation up again. Kind of like when President Monson was a bishop and wrote 17 letters to a WWII active combat member of his ward before hearing back.
  22. Y'all know that lesson with the cups? 12 Disciples of Jesus - pics of them on one side - pics of the current 12 Apostles on the other side. Then you build the cups up into a pyramid / tower and the cups have labels on them like priesthood, tithing, scriptures, fasting, Temple, etc. Been wonderin' about the Sanhedrin - read somewhere that they were the literal/genealogical descendants of the quorum of the 70 from the time of Moses Was the Sanherin apostate? Seems like they practiced what they were supposed to / followed the rules they had in place. If they got the Levitical priesthood from their elders (did they?), as did John the Baptist who followed his own path, clearly not the Sanhedrin's path. Seems like if the Sanhedrin didnt have authority , then how did John? https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/sanhedrin?lang=eng https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/john-the-baptist
  23. I think God lets people make mistakes. President Uchtdorf spoke about this before at a Gen Conf a few years ago. The 2015 policy seems to me to be an extension of the existing policy that was already in place for Muslim and polygamous children. Seems like policies can be updated - as can revalations when God says so. If you're hoping I'll see the mistakes of the GA's as signs of a false church, all I can say is they havent' killed anyone, like Moses and Elisha did (2 Kings 2:23); Pretty sure they don't have 1,000 wives and concubines like Solomon did (his father David had what 300 or so?) I'm not as familiar with where the 2015 policy ranks as in levels of policy/revelation. Will it matter much when polygamy is re-instituted though? Imagine the board discussions we'll have here at that great day. " 'Come on, dear Hope, since the war is past, for friends at first, (shall be) friends again at last.' "
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