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  1. The problem arises in situations where those in power, the elected rep's, side with the outraged and law enforcement officers are told by those politicians who to shut down and who to ignore. If one thinks about this and the political climate present in the US and Europe among other regions, seems evident that a continued pendulum might lead to a separation or leading out of those who believe in God and those who don't...but perhaps that consequence is me seeing what I'd prefer to see
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    Hi, I'm new… …and a topic 😉

    No reincarnation, as such, but some have speculated (and I have dabbled in it a bit) that there may be multiple mortal probations. I've thought that one mortal experience might not be enough for Father to prove us, and that we might need to be more thoroughly tested. And we need not know anything about it, because each probation would be totally isolated from the other. True, and awesome response! No formal reincarnation, as our memory and intelligence continues with us however...I imagine the Savior who created this earth out of existing material likely visited, in His Spirit body, every world His hands helped create. Each visit does not equal reincarnation but...each visit / cycle of creation seems to demonstrate the salient slivers of truth formal reincarnation aspires to, meaning that Adam and Eve's children who diluted the true doctrine of eternal progression still got more correct than traditional Christianity and the Bible.
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    Hi, I'm new… …and a topic 😉

    Welcome! I'm not a big philosophizer but here's my take on it: I believe Brother Brigham is referring to: 1 - The time the wicked men and women will spend in the Spirit World, learning, progressing after being returned to the native element (Spirit bodies, an evolved Intelligence) 2 - the temporal materials that were used to build up the wicked nations, kingdoms and governments - the buildings, houses, structures, roads, etc. Reminds me of the cities destroyed in the Book of Mormon and the destruction Joshua was commanded to reign down, after Moses' time; as well as the Central American cultures who built cities literally on top of prior ruins, sometimes 7 times, like 7 buildings/temples built on top of prior temples
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    Confused about the value of Opposition and Pain?

    I don't want to invite opposition. Just seems odd to revile the things that help us grow - Spencer W. Kimball: Pain stayed so long I said to him today, "I will not have you with me any more." I stamped my foot and said, "Be on your way," And paused there, startled at the look he wore. "I, who have been your friend," he said to me, "I, who have been your teacher--all you know Of understanding love, of sympathy, And patience, I have taught you. Shall I go?" He spoke the truth, this strange unwelcome guest; I watched him leave, and knew that he was wise. He left a heart grown tender in my breast, He left a far, clear vision in my eyes. I dried my tears, and lifted up a song -- Even for one who'd tortured me so long. http://emp.byui.edu/SATTERFIELDB/Talks/TragedyorDestinySWK.htm
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    Confused about the value of Opposition and Pain?

    "placed." That's interesting. Almost seems synonymous w/ pre-determined or foreordained?
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    Confused about the value of Opposition and Pain?

    Thanks Smac. just a quick follow up - aren't our motivations influenced heavily by diet, sleep, exercise, chemical imbalances, etc., and all this without a full knowledge of the truth? It almost seems like whether we obey God and litter laws of the land, we are, all of us, nothing more than instruments in His hands. Might those hands seem somewhat devious by guiding or permitting the adversary to guide the litterers/physical assualters/ etc.? Then again, if we existed in a world without opposition, we'd have no progress, so....here we are
  7. Been struggling with this one for a while...probably stemming from too much time dabbling in philosophy...and this board.... My ward/stake on our state's day of service did what we usually do, clean trash out of the river and park areas. Seems like the unity, comradery, and validation we felt wouldn't be possible w/o the actions of those who littered, dumped trash, etc. which makes it hard for me to discount their actions as entirely negative as they motivated many to do positive acts. Of course, this leads to other problems in valuing the reaction to opposition, which reaction (fortification of faith, stronger testimony, etc.) might have otherwise not taken place (forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden, as a prime example - clearly there's eternal value in the Fall and humankind being born; but no value in the catalyst that sparked that?). On the other hand if we existed in a world without opposition, we'd have no progress, so....here we are Spencer W. Kimball: Pain stayed so long I said to him today, "I will not have you with me any more." I stamped my foot and said, "Be on your way," And paused there, startled at the look he wore. "I, who have been your friend," he said to me, "I, who have been your teacher--all you know Of understanding love, of sympathy, And patience, I have taught you. Shall I go?" He spoke the truth, this strange unwelcome guest; I watched him leave, and knew that he was wise. He left a heart grown tender in my breast, He left a far, clear vision in my eyes. I dried my tears, and lifted up a song -- Even for one who'd tortured me so long. http://emp.byui.edu/SATTERFIELDB/Talks/TragedyorDestinySWK.htm
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    Wear it with pride...

    I voted for him in 2016 and will in 2020
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    Wear it with pride...

    Seriously:
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    Recent Youtube Apologetics

    Let us not forget Noah who had a drinking problem nor Solomon's 700 wives and 300 concubines, nor the polygamy of Moses, David, Abraham, etc. etc. For Joseph's seer stone, Noah's tsohar used in the ark; the tsohars used in the Jaredite barges (http://lds-studies.blogspot.com/2012/12/the-jaredite-scriptures-and-tsohar.html); Ex. 28:30; Mosiah 21:28 (27–28). TG Urim and Thummim; JST, John 1:42 - Cephas means “seer” or “stone;” Thomas Mann has elaborated greatly on the definition of this term in Joseph the Provider, the fourth book of his tetralogy Joseph and His Brothers; "1) In the book of Genesis 30:37-39, we read of Jacob and a rod of green poplars he used to produce speckled cattle while in the service of his uncle Laban. Whatever a green poplar is, certainly nothing in nature can cause cattle to be speckled or produced at will. 2) From Exodus 7:9-12, Aaron’s rod transformed into a serpent before Pharaoh. Here God uses a common object to demonstrate His power. 3) In Numbers 5:11-13 and 21, a jealousy offering is presided over by a priest who gives an accused woman water, and if this water becomes bitter, the woman’s stomach swells, and her thigh rots. If so, she is declared guilty of adultery. Again, something as common as water is used to demonstrate the power of God. 4) From 1 Samuel 9:6-8, 20, we read of Saul, before his reign as king of Israel, distressed over the loss of a flock of asses. He and some companions set out to seek the Seer, Samuel the prophet, in order that they might be given the right direction as to the whereabouts of their lost flock. Are we to presume that an Israelite prophet can use supernatural powers to locate lost animals? In this case, it matters not how Samuel came to the knowledge, but God worked through Samuel to assure Saul of His power. 5) From 2 Kings 5, the prophet Elisha commanded Naaman to wash seven times in a filthy river to cleanse himself of leprosy. Dirty water does not cure skin disease. Once again, this action depicts God using anything available to Him in order to demonstrate His power. 6) In Exodus 28:30 and Ezra 2:63 the priest of Ezra looked into a mysterious object, the Urim and Thummim, to certify through one’s genealogy. The Urim and Thummin are also briefly used by Joseph Smith until the seer stone became the primary tool in the Book of Mormon translation process. 7) In Daniel 5:11, would it be becoming of a prophet to be named among the chief of magicians, astrologers, and soothsayers? Was Daniel really a magician? Or was God showing His power through Daniel? 8) Finally, in Acts 1:26, why would the Apostles cast lots? Their prayers in verse 24 and revelation are the power, not the casting of lots. Again, God used common, physical objects to demonstrate His power." http://www.latterdaytimes.com/8-biblical-parallels-to-joseph-smiths-seer-stone/
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    Ex communication and temple endowments

    Hi Robert, I'd be interested in reading those anthropologists' writings. Can you post or send me any links?
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    NDEs and no singularly true faith

    In 1921, Elder Orson F. Whitney, a member of the Council of the Twelve Apostles, having quoted one of the relevant passages from the Book of Mormon, remarked that It tells me that Providence is over all, and that he holds the nations in the hollow of his hand; that he is using not only his covenant people, but other peoples as well, to consummate a work…. God is using men as his instruments. Nor is he limited in the choice of instruments to his own people…. Outside the pale of their activities [referring to men bearing the priesthood] other good and great men, not bearing the Priesthood but possessing profundity of thought, great wisdom, and a desire to uplift their fellows, have been sent by the Almighty into many nations, to give them, not the fulness of the Gospel, but that portion of truth that they were able to receive and wisely use. Such men as Confucius, the Chinese philosopher; Zoroaster, the Persian sage; Gautama or Buddha, of the Hindus; Socrates and Plato, of the Greeks…. They were servants of the Lord in a lesser sense, and were sent to those pagan or heathen nations to give them the measure of truth that a wise Providence had allotted to them.50 At the conclusion of the conference in which Elder Whitney made those remarks, President Heber J. Grant, the seventh president of the Church—who had presided over the Church’s mission in Japan at the opening of the twentieth century—rose to the pulpit and said, I commend to all Latter-day Saints when the conference pamphlet is published, to read what Elder Orson F. Whitney said about the inspiration of God being given to men in all parts of the world. We endorse his remarks.51 Earlier, Elder George Q. Cannon, an apostle who would also serve as a counselor to four presidents of the Church, expressed a similar sentiment: In every nation men have been raised up and been called of the Lord to effect reforms among their fellow men and to teach important truths…. Other nations and races have not been forgotten by the Lord. They have had great truths taught to them; and in many instances, they have profited by them. There have been millions of pagans whose lives have been as acceptable to the true God as the lives of the same number of so called Christians. The reason for this is plain: they lived up to the light which God had given them, and this is all that He could require of them.52 Elsewhere, Elder Cannon identified some of these people by name: Zoroaster, Muhammad, the Buddha, and Confucius, as well as certain religious leaders of the western traditions.53 Another nineteenth century apostle, Moses Thatcher, referred to the writings of Confucius as “divinely inspired, far reaching, and containing heavenly doctrines.”54 Once again, B. H. Roberts laid out the Latter-day Saint view in clarity and some detail: While the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is established for the instruction of man and is one of God’s instrumentalities for making known the truth, yet he is not limited to that institution for such purposes, neither in time nor place. God raises up wise men and prophets here and there… speaking to them through means that they can comprehend; not always giving a fulness of truth such as may be found in the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ; but always giving that measure of truth that the people are prepared to receive. “Mormonism” holds, then, that all the great teachers among all nations and in all ages are servants of God. They are inspired men, appointed to instruct God’s children according to the conditions in the midst of which he finds them. Hence it is not obnoxious to “Mormonism” to regard Confucius, the great Chinese philosopher and moralist, as a servant of God, inspired to a certain degree by him to teach those great moral maxims which have governed those millions of God’s children for lo! these many centuries. It is willing to regard Gautama, Buddha, as an inspired servant of God, teaching a measure of the truth, at least giving to these people that twilight of truth by which they may somewhat see their way. So with the Arabian prophet, that wild spirit that turned the Arabians from worshipping idols to a conception of the Creator of Heaven and earth that was more excellent than their previous conceptions of Deity. And so the sages of Greece and of Rome. So the reformers of early Protestant times. Wherever God finds a soul sufficiently enlightened and pure; one with whom his Spirit can communicate, he makes of him a teacher of men. While the path of sensuality and darkness may be that which most men tread, a few, to paraphrase the word of a moral philosopher of high standing, have been led along the upward path; a few in all countries and generations have been wisdom seekers, or seekers of God. They have been so because the Divine Word of Wisdom has looked upon them, choosing them for the knowledge and service of himself.55 “Members of the Church,” wrote its ninth president, David O. McKay, are admonished to acquire learning by study, and also by faith and prayer, and to seek after everything that is virtuous, lovely, of good report, or praiseworthy. In this seeking after truth they are not confined to narrow limits of dogma or creed, but are free to launch into the realm of the infinite, for they know that “truth is truth where ere ’tis found, Whether on Christian or on heathen ground.”56 https://www.fairmormon.org/conference/august-2011/mormonism-islam-and-the-question-of-other-religions
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    Middle Way Mormonism

    THIS IS AN EXCELLENT POLL!! On the external, visible, noticeable level I am active, and probably Middle Way (somewhat detached, removed, understanding my identity and self-worth are much, much greater than whatever callings I might receive) as I can't see any other way to wrap my head round non-linear callings. Under the surface though, I'm more of an orthodox (in the true sense of the word, like I'd vote for the Theo-democratic candidate and would support legalizing and reinstituting plural marriage, as many libertarians, others, and Anarcho-Capitalists would as well). Now you know why my callings aren't linear.
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    Disturbing New Statistics about Seminary

    OUr stake used to offer online seminary- maybe yours could? Also, the predominantly foreign-language speaking branch in our ward has home study seminary, where they meet on Sundays but study at hoem the rest of hte week
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    Disturbing New Statistics about Seminary

    I would never normally question the Nehor but I fear this study might be part of the replication crisis (or replicability crisis or reproducibility crisis). http://download.lardlad.com/sounds/season15/juvie12.mp3
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