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  1. PacMan

    Mormon Women for Ethical Government

    What are you talking about? It's not that I disagree with your statement. It's that it makes no sense.
  2. PacMan

    Mormon Women for Ethical Government

    Well, so much for having an adult conversation.
  3. PacMan

    Mormon Women for Ethical Government

    If that was all they took stances on, then I'd be more inclined to agree. But given that you're just making it up, I respectfully don't.
  4. PacMan

    Mormon Women for Ethical Government

    What do you mean "based on nothing at all?" Here you have a group premised on good ethics. Except ethics can mean anything. Even their adopted definition of ethics is wishy-washy: “Ethics refers to well-founded standards of right and wrong that prescribe what humans ought to do, usually in terms of rights, obligations, benefits to society, fairness, or specific virtues. Ethics, for example, refers to those standards that impose the reasonable obligations to refrain from rape, stealing, murder, assault, slander, and fraud. Ethical standards also include those that enjoin virtues of honesty, compassion, and loyalty. And, ethical standards include standards relating to rights, such as the right to life, the right to freedom from injury, and the right to privacy. Such standards are adequate standards of ethics because they are supported by consistent and well-founded reasons.” What does "fairness" mean? What does "compassion" and "loyalty" mean? These terms mean whatever people want them to believe. For example, think of illegal immigration. What predominates--what is fair (follow the law) or what is compassionate (forgiveness)? And worse, because this group promotes an "ethical" course, that means that if you disagree with them that you are unethical? Sorry. That is quintessentially "holier-than-thou." Thank goodness my wife is not a member. Although, they could certainly benefit from her (superlative) intellectual horsepower.
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    Mormon Women for Ethical Government

    When an organization proclaims that it is nonpartisan but pursues an almost entirely partisan agenda, yes. There is no bipartisan negotiation. You are either on board and agree with them or you can hit the highway: "If we are to be successful, we must be united. And we cannot be united unless we share the same vision."
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    Mormon Women for Ethical Government

    Out of curiosity, who's standard of ethics do they use? I guess that's a snarky way of suggesting that it seems like yet another group cloaking the political agenda of its members behind a holier-than-thou facade of altruism.
  7. Diane Feinstein had the allegations in her possession months ago but sat on them until the vote was ready to take place. That is the political gamesmanship that we should not tolerate.
  8. If the call for "go slowly" comes months after the allegations should have been investigated and is calculated to prejudice the constitutional process to appoint a SCOTUS justice right before the terms starts, then yes--it is contrary to a sensible and sustainable process. That is absolutely what I am saying.
  9. No. LDS senators have a responsibility for the institutional integrity of the system and upholding the constitution. The allegations are serious. But just as in criminal law, there needs to be a type of 'statutes of limitations' for these types of allegations during the nominating process. There needs to be a cutoff point for these 11th hour allegations. It is too easy to turn these nominations into a circus. And to the extent that these self-proclaimed Mormon women (or anyone else) want something contrary to a sensible and sustainable process, they should be ignored.
  10. I don't understand the purpose, necessity, or doctrinal justification for these fringe/sub-culture/special interest groups. 1 Nephi 4:17 "There were no robbers, nor murderers, neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites; but they were in one, the children of Christ, and heirs to the kingdom of God." If people want their voices to be heard, I wish they would do it without prostituting their association with the church. Smells a bit like priest-craft, if you ask me.
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    Red Heifer: Coming of the Messiah?

    Do you know the scriptural basis for this? I don't intend to argue the point -- I'll clearly disagree. But I am curious.
  12. PacMan

    Beauty Pageants - Good or Bad?

    Good? Bad? Either way, they're stupid. I dated a pageant girl. I broke-up with her (among other reasons) because she became so envious after she placed runner-up to the girl that eventually won her state and went on the the Miss America pageant. I thought it was stupid then. I think it is stupid today. And from a gospel setting, I don't think there is any benefit that can't be had in other, better ways.
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    Elder Cook #LDSDevo 9-Sept from Nauvoo

    I was quite impressed with the broadcast. And, on the whole, I was very impressed with the answers. There was one towards the end where the answer seemed to fade away from the question as asked, but it was still very impressive. I particularly liked that they didn't try to softball the church's history. They got right to the point that Joseph had multiple wives and spoke frankly and honestly as possible in the time available.
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    Red Heifer: Coming of the Messiah?

    Robert, if you're referring to D&C 84:18, the Aaronic Priesthood "continueth and abideth forever with the priesthood which is after the holiest order of God." For this reference to be consistent with D&C 13, it doesn't mean that it exists independently forever but will at some point exist as subsumed by the Melchizedek Priesthood. I did not know about the Catholic position. For your view to be correct in terms of the Levites, the Catholic view would have to be correct. Indeed, "forever" is inconsistent with excommunication as you are using the phrase. In any event, the right to an office does not invalidate the associated keys. So unless your position is that priesthood keys exist outside the church, I find your position doctrinally problematic: Joseph F. Smith: “The Priesthood in general is the authority given to man to act for God. . . . t is necessary that every act performed under this authority shall be done at the proper time and place, in the proper way, and after the proper order. The power of directing these labors constitutes the keys of the Priesthood. In their fulness, the keys are held by only one person at a time, the prophet and president of the Church.” Gospel Doctrine, 136-37. Even so, thank you for sharing your insight.
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    Red Heifer: Coming of the Messiah?

    I guess the real question is whether their temple and their sacrifices are efficacious. So to change the question, will they need Melchizedek Priesthood ordination for those ordinances to be efficacious? I still tend to believe so for the reason outlined. Once they do so "in righteousness" per D&C 13, then the Aaronic Priesthood can be "taken again from the earth." Indeed, D&C 13 implies that the Aaronic Priesthood was "taken." The restoration was through John. I don't know that the Levites can, therefore, act in an authorized manner -- albeit, I'm still excited for them to build the temple, however it functions.