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  1. Even though this discussion went off the rails, there were a few interesting questions raised: -How converted should you be in order to be baptized? Who gets to decide? I've seen strong new converts leave within a year and weak new converts still going strong. -Does pressure for missionaries to meet goals hurt or help the work? Even though many missionaries may have negative feelings about "numbers", does it help motivate them to work harder and smarter? Rely on the spirit more or less?
  2. There it is!! The one thing this thread was missing!
  3. The quote about church leaders comes from Sarah Jane Weaver, not Elder Ballard. But it continues to be attributed to Elder Ballard for some reason. Have you asked Sarah Weaver to explain what she meant since it's causing so much confusion for some here?
  4. Here are the full paragraphs from the news article. I think some of the confusion is that it's not clear that Elder Ballard said what you claim he said. The paragraph above states which practices the author claims church leaders don't know where they began. Am I not reading the news article correctly? Some missionaries have felt pressure to invite people to be baptized during the first lesson or even the first contact. “These missionaries have felt that inviting people to be baptized the very first time they meet them demonstrated the missionaries’ faith and supports their thinking that inviting people to be baptized early is what is expected,” he said. “Other missionaries have felt that an invitation to be baptized early allowed them to promptly separate the wheat from the tares. In this case, some see the baptismal invitation as a sifting tool.” Church leaders don’t know where these practices began, but “it was never our intention to invite people to be baptized before they had learned something about the gospel, felt the Holy Ghost, and had been properly prepared to accept a lifelong commitment to follow Jesus Christ,” said President Ballard. “Our retention rates will dramatically increase when people desire to be baptized because of the spiritual experiences they are having rather than feeling pressured into being baptized by our missionaries.”
  5. I was surprised that none of the youth complained about the historical inaccuracies with trek. It seems to be an bigger issue with some adults. I also didn't hear any complain about being manipulated into having spiritual experiences. The youth with me had a great time and were very sad when it ended. Sure, any additional safety precautions should be implemented if appropriate, but I think it would be a big mistake to discontinue trek. I'm not a crier, but I almost lost it when a group of girls sprinted back down the hill during the YW pull to help some of the girls struggling to get to the top. I saw one of my trek sons yesterday. He recently got his mission call to Utah. He struggles with anxieties, but said trek played an important role in helping him realize he can do difficult things.
  6. I went two years ago and we were also instructed to start drinking lots of water several days before trek. We were also instructed to spend time outside starting several weeks before trek to acclimate to the heat and humidity. I took a group of youth several times a week for a three mile hike in a nearby park before trek. On trek we had lots of water and gatorade and we made the kids stop and get a drink even if they weren't thirsty. We were trained how to spot early signs of dehydration so we watched the youth closely. There was a full-time EMT that was on the trail the entire time. Not a surprise when the few kids who didn't prepare had a harder time dealing with the heat. YM camp this year? two broken wrists, one sprained wrist, a broken collarbone, a gash on the face requiring 40 stitches, and a gash on a foot that also required stitches. But all I heard was how much fun it was. Weirdos.
  7. The title for the thread came from the article I posted: "Imagine Dragons' Dan Reynolds Explains Why He's a 'Unique Mormon'" I found his response very bizarre so I was curious what everyone here finds unique about themselves as members of the church. Or if anyone even feels the need to explain why they are unique.
  8. I understand the need to feel there is something unique and different about yourself. Living in an area with a small church presence, just being a member was always a way to stand out at school and work. Of course, there were always quirky and interesting people at church. But I imagine it must be different for those in Utah where apparently everyone is the same. In the article I quoted, Reynolds states, "I hate that people have to be pigeon­holed" and then explains that sometimes NOT believing in God is what makes him a "unique Mormon". I can't quite put my finger on it, but that seems an odd thing to say.
  9. You have over 15k posts and you still have questions and concerns the smart believers here haven't been able to resolve? That seems hard to believe.
  10. But don't members want to believe they have unique gifts that are needed to build up the church, assist in the gathering, etc? Some missionaries believe they are sent to a certain country because they are the only one who can find and baptize certain people. Is it wrong to feel you are unique if you don't then compare yourself to others?
  11. Did you get that from the joke page of Boys Life magazine?
  12. Recently Dan Reynolds of Imagine Dragons was quoted in an article discussing what makes him a unique Mormon. It's understandable that many feel they possess traits and qualities that make them different from other members. However, it can be a challenge to distinguish yourself today especially with all the competition from social media. Reynolds explains: "Some days I don’t believe in anything — some days I’m probably more atheist than your atheist friend". What is it that makes you unique as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
  13. Since everyone in Utah blindly follows what the prophet says (or so I've heard), maybe it's evidence that the Mormon culture doesn't hate LGBTQ citizens after all? President Gordon B. Hinckley said: "People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians. My response is that we love them as sons and daughters of God." I don't see any place for hatred or violence by Utah members of the church towards anyone. Well, maybe with the exception of families traveling in a wagon train from Arkansas. But seriously, how often does Utah see that? I realize there is a lot of hatred out there for gays, minorities, Trump supporters, etc. I haven't seen any encouragement from a president of the Church to engage in such behavior. Does anyone have a quote from a recent president to the contrary? I live far from Utah, but I get the impression the state loves to show off how accepting they can be to those outside the Church. I'd love to be treated with the same respect offered by the Church by those who disagree with me. I'm sure there are members who don't follow the council from the prophet, but it sounds like SLC is a pretty safe place for the LGBTQ community to live. Nice to see Dan Reynolds with his shirt on for the article. Since he started working out, most photos show him without his shirt on.
  14. At the Philly temple open house the tour guide also called it the "instruction" room. I guess they are using the same script?
  15. Didn't the Godmakers video show an elderly woman discussing how she had to keep the garment on while washing? That's the only time I've heard that claim I found out last summer that all garments that are tried on for size at Deseret Books are destroyed.
  16. Just give everyone more time Q: Where are you most often when you read MDDB? A: See thread title
  17. The only family that has left the church are two sisters after moving to Utah. Holy heck, what the fetch is going on in that flipping' state that kills testimonies and destroys faith?
  18. According to Bro Douglas Holmes of the YMGP, worldwide the 5th Sunday in September will be used to introduce the program. There will be a face to face broadcast in November led by Elder Gong. He mentioned that currently moms with kids in the programs are responsible for 470+ requirements for Duty to God, Faith in God, and Personal Progress. He said the new program will be radically different since all those are going away. He didn't give any more details in the training meeting this morning.
  19. As a proud feminist son of God, I'm appalled that an attractive young man publicly announced his intentions to discriminate against more than half our society. Can you imagine the howls from the patriarchy if a woman got up and announced she was starting a business and would only hire other women? I won't be sending my daughters to a school that tolerates such sexism, male privilege, and blatant discrimination against others who happen to be born with different genitalia.
  20. I thought you shared the article as evidence for your position that the Nov 15 policy was responsible for an increase in gay teen suicides in the church, which is the reason given for the protests and this thread. My bad. It may be good to talk more openly about suicide. I don't think it's good to spread harmful conclusions that aren't supported by the experts who are studying this problem.
  21. No where does it make the claim the church's Nov 15 policy was responsible for the suicides.
  22. The article was clear that conclusions such as the one you made are incorrect. And drugs are evil especially when used by teens.
  23. All four apologies accepted!!!! Yes, the board is still flakey sometimes with posting duplicates.
  24. According to my family and friends involved in the protests, the claim is that the Nov 2015 policy was responsible for an increase in suicides of gay LDS teens. Do you have any evidence that claim is true? No doubt it is challenging to live as a gay inside the LDS community. Why make it even more difficult by spreading unfounded claims in an effort to turn them against the church they believe in and love?
  25. Do you read any of Calm's posts? She has done an incredible job of gathering information provided by professionals who warn against drawing the types of conclusions you have drawn. And she is by far the most credible and trustworthy poster on this board so you can't easily dismiss what she has posted. I think those members of my family who have suffered the tragic loss of gay children to suicide deserve to have accurate information. Do you agree?
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