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  1. But Q-M3 is not exclusively Native American, it has been found in Xiongnu royals dating to 3rd and 2nd centuries BCE. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu BTW, there's a theory that the Xiongnu were Iranian: "Harold Walter Bailey proposed an Iranian origin of the Xiongnu, recognizing all the earliest Xiongnu names of the 2nd century BC as being of the Iranian type. This theory is supported by turkologist Henryk Jankowski. Central Asian scholar Christopher I. Beckwith notes that the Xiongnu name could be a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdia, corresponding to a name for Northern Iranians. According to Beckwith the Xiongnu could have contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model. In the 1994 UNESCO-published History of Civilizations of Central Asia, its editor János Harmatta claims that: "The royal tribes and kings of the [Xiongnu] bore Iranian names, that all Xiongnu words noted by the Chinese can be explained from a Scythian language, and that it is therefore clear that the majority of [Xiongnu] tribes spoke an Eastern Iranian language." (source)
  2. The interesting thing about the Yeniseian language group is the similarities to Na Dene. Just a few months ago it was determined that a group of Dene-Yeniseian speakers crossed over to the Americas by boat around the time of the Jaredites 3000 to 2000 BC. These were the ancestors of the Navajo and Apache. These First Americans Vanished Without a Trace — But Hints of Them Linger
  3. Q-M3 has been found in Xiongnu sites and also among the Yeniseians: In L. L. Kang et al. (2013), three samples from a Xiongnu) site in Barkol, Xinjiang were found to be Q-M3 (Q1a2a1a1). And, as Q-M3 is mostly found in Yeniseians and Native Americans, the authors suggest that the Xiongnu had connections to speakers of the Yeniseian languages. (source)
  4. The Nephites aren't a dead nation: "And behold, there were many of the Nephites who did enter therein and did sail forth with much provisions, and also many women and children; and they took their course northward. And thus ended the thirty and seventh year. And in the thirty and eighth year, this man built other ships. And the first ship did also return, and many more people did enter into it; and they also took much provisions, and set out again to the land northward." - Alma 63: 6-7 According to several authoritative statements the islands of the Pacific and Indian Oceans are still populated by these Nephites. These Nephites would have encountered the words of the Jews as early as 2000 years ago.
  5. Europeans in the 1600's - 1800's found "evidence" that every group, tribe, culture, civilization they stumbled upon as they expanded out of Europe was Israelite. Ethiopians were supposedly lost Jews, Tibetans were lost Jews, Japanese were lost Jews, Polynesians were lost Jews, Siberians, Zimbabweans, Malays, Chinese, Indians, Papuans, Sri Lankans, Sumatrans, Filipinos, and finally Ecuadoreans, Brazilians, Aztecs, Maya, Ojibweans, Hopis, Cherokees, Navajo etc. If we're looking at only European publications between 1600 to 1800, pretty much everybody is an Israelite.
  6. Surely you've also read what Oliver Cowdery had said about the leaders of the LDS Church and what the leaders of the LDS Church had to say about Oliver Cowdery.
  7. With the publication of The Star in the East, there was uncertainty about the provenance and dating of the brass and copper plates of the Cochin Jews. Anyone reading Buchanan's account in 1809 could have easily drawn the conclusion that the brass plates were inscribed in Palmyrene Hebrew and carried across the sea by Israelites around 600 BC. We can be certain that the account of Indian Israelites and their brass plates circulated widely in the decades previous to the publication of the Book of Mormon. The Star in the East was popular enough that it directly inspired the first generation of American missionaries to set sail from Salem, Massachusetts to India and Burma in 1812. These missionaries were self-described followers of Oliver Cowdery's great-uncle Nathanael Emmons. Among these missionaries was Levi Spaulding, a nephew of Solomon Spaulding and a classmate of Hiram Smith in Hanover between 1811 and 1815. There are dozens if not hundreds of extant inscribed brass/copper plates in the region. The accounts of the Cochin brass plates are unique in that they describe the script on the plates and other texts circulating among the Jews as Palmyra Hebrew and some of these texts have been verified as Biblical pseudepigrapha dating to the Book of Mormon time period. There's ongoing controversy around the provenance and fate of Buchanan's 1806 brass plates.
  8. Elephants in the Book of Mormon are said to have been useful to the Jaredites. It's an important distinction. I highly doubt that the mammoths of Wrangel Island were held in captivity and used for agriculture, war or transportation. There's nothing that would support the claim that wild mammoths were useful to Mesoamericans in any way at all. First of all, you are talking about two completely different climates. A woolly mammoth from an island in the Arctic Sea isn't going to be very useful to an Olmec in tropical Mexico. Its like saying that because saber tooth tiger bones were found in California, the Inuits of Greenland might have domesticated cats. And even if the Jaredites were able to tame these strange (and dangerous) beasts within the first few centuries of their arrival in a new climate, it would be unlikely that they would have killed off a useful beast of burden within a few hundred years. Taming of wild elephants is a very very difficult thing and there's only one region that had the capacity for domestic elephant handling in 2500 BC. Even today, only elephas maximus is gentle enough. The mention in the Book of Mormon of elephants being useful to a Bronze Age civilization sets the narrative to a very specific part of the world. If you're looking for a historical Book of Mormon, the mention of domestic elephants constrains us to India and Southeast Asia. There's simply no way around this.
  9. Which overpriced book would you recommend I purchase to better understand your perspective? https://bookofmormonevidence.org/bookstore/ And while you're here, could you swing a free pass to the FIRM Foundation's 501(c)(3) Tax-Free Charitable Corporate conference for me?
  10. From 1809, there was an extremely popular account of Jewish exiles from the Babylonian captivity carrying their records inscribed on Brass Plates overseas in the 6th century BC. It was called the Star in the East and it was widely published and discussed.
  11. I was once a Mormon, then I was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then I was a Mormon again, and then I was again a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In turn, I've stopped caring what anybody says I should say I am.
  12. The same way that Moroni did. Also the same way that John the Baptist, Peter, James and John got to North America. Some background is needed to unpack this. Jews and Christians have been speculating about the location of Biblical groups beyond the sea for centuries. A large portion of the material was drawn from accounts of Alexander's military campaigns across Persia, Afghanistan and India. In India, Alexander encountered the naked philosophers known in Greek accounts as the gymnosophists. Please read the wiki on gymnosophists To the Jews, Christians and Muslims, the descriptions of these righteous gymnosophists living beyond the Great Ganges reminded them of the Rechabites who were led by God across the waters to an island called Rahma. The Indian Sramanas described in Hellenic sources became confused with the Rechabites described in Judeo-Christian sources, and also with the Sons of Moses described in Islamic sources. Accounts of these Israelite groups were popularized through the Middle Ages, and became a source of inspiration for Columbus, who set out to find the kingdoms described. He died believing that he'd found them. Finally, by the 18th century, a popular orientalist view was that the gymnosophists were a variety of Israelite who followed Christ and migrated to America in the 5th century AD. This is where popular interpretation of Mitchill's theories on the Indians come into play. What I'm proposing is that we stop worrying about where in the Americas the Book of Mormon happened and we instead view it as a text within the well-established traditions of the Rechabites, Rahmans and Sons of Moses. The Book of Mormon claims to be nothing more than that. Elephants, horses, chariots, silk, goats, cattle, sheep, iron swords, golden plates, scimeters are no longer a problem when we view the Book of Mormon as a text among other apocryphal texts that describe Israelites who lived beyond the sea. In fact, the Book of Mormon is a surprisingly accurate historical text when we acknowledge that 6th century BC Israelites actually did inhabit islands with elephants, silk, horses, sheep, iron swords, scimeters, religious texts inscribed on golden plates etc.
  13. The Lehites depart Jerusalem around 600 BC; The Book of Mormon mentions others who departed Jerusalem at the same time [1]; Ancient Judeo-Christian texts tell us of the Rechabites who departed Jerusalem around 600 BC; Ancient and medieval accounts of the Rechabites place their abode beyond the sea, somewhere in "Greater India"; Mormon scholars like Hugh Nibley and John Welch have noted the striking similarities between the Book of Mormon and accounts of the Rechabites; The big picture is that the Book of Mormon aligns with ancient accounts of the Rechabites dwelling on their island in the sea in Greater India. With a simple paradigm shift, the Book of Mormon account is no longer anachronistic. ------ [1] In the time of Jeremiah, or shortly before, a certain Jonadab ben Rechab had led a colony of permanent settlers from Jerusalem into the wilderness, where his descendants survived through all succeeding centuries as the strange and baffling nation of the Rekhabites. What makes them baffling is their Messianic religion, which is so much like primitive Christianity in many ways that it has led some scholars to argue that those people must have been of Christian origin, though the historical evidence for their great antiquity is unquestionable. When one considers that Jonadab's project was almost contemporary (perhaps slightly prior) to Lehi's, that his name, ending in -adab, is of a type peculiar to the period and to the Book of Mormon, and that the Book of Mormon specifically states that the Lord had led other people of Jerusalem beside Lehi, and that the Rekhabite teachings are strangely like those in the Book of Mormon, one is forced to admit at very least the possibility that Lehi's exodus could have taken place in the manner described, and the certainty that other such migrations actually did take place (Hugh Nibley, Approach to the Book of Mormon, 68-69).
  14. According to Mitchell, the European groups (Finn, Dane, and Welsh) associated with the Eskimo came to the northeast around the 10th century AD. They would have encountered the Malay somewhere near Onandaga. Both groups were destroyed by the Tartars from China. Bennett's conclusion was that Mitchell certainly recognized the characters in the Anthon transcript as evidence for his theories: "Whether he tried to translate Harris’s characters on the spot is not known, but he certainly seems to have studied them carefully enough to deliver a “learned dissertation” on them and to identify them as those of “a nation now extinct which he named.” Finally and almost certainly, he saw in these characters additional evidence for his own richly developed theories on the extinct “delicate” Australasian race that had been destroyed by the more ferocious Tartars somewhere in upstate New York not far from where Harris lived in Palmyra." Bennet is suggesting that Samuel Mitchell identified the characters on the Anthon transcript as being Malay, the nation that once inhabited the Manchester/Onandaga region. This is why the angel who delivers the plates to Joseph shares names with the great warrior chief from Kedah (Burma/Malaysia/Siam), Rajah Maroni.
  15. They fit in the right time and genre just fine. The tradition of inscribing lengthy religious texts on metal plates to preserve the teachings from corruption dates to the Book of Mormon time period. An Indian text translated in the 4th century AD tells of the "School of Copper-plates", the dominant religious group on the island known as Taprobane, or Copper Island: “A hundred years after the Buddha’s demise, King Asoka was destroying Buddhism. His brother was a monk and obtained Arahatship. When [the King] was persecuting Buddhism he was a great elder. Worrying that Buddhism might be replaced by [other religions] and disappear, he had the Tripitaka engraved on copper plates and had them sent to the Lion county. Later on, King Asoka had faith in some monks and took back the Tipitaka on copper plates to circulate. This is why [it] is called the [school of copper plates]; it is the School of Elders.” In other words, the traditions of South and Southeast Asia is that the entire Buddhist canon was preserved on metal plates, as early as the 3rd century BC. This act of preserving the entire canon on metal plates was repeated during the time of King Kanishka in 2C AD. The tradition of preserving religious texts on gold plates was carried to East Asia where there are countless example of religious texts inscribed on gold plates and buried for preservation. [1] --------- [1] Buddhist Texts on Gold and Other Metals in East Asia: Preliminary Observations Peter Kornicki with T.H. Barrett Journal of Asian Humanities at Kyushu University Volume 2, Spring 2017
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