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  1. I've also been hunting for something available online and couldn't find anything more than this. There's very little left of the original manuscript that was directly transcribed by Oliver, John Whitmer and an unknown scribe while Joseph dictated. Although given the provenance of the original manuscript, I don't know how it can be proven to be what it is said to be.
  2. Your suggestion is probably the most plausible. John Dee was obsessed with finding, and colonizing, the legendary land of Locach. John Dee and the Map of North-East Asia Locach is Nakorn Si Thammarat on the Malay Peninsula, identified as Xara or Zara on early maps. This historical civilization was know as Srah and it dates back to the 6th century BC. It is Zarahemla on the maps I've proposed above. In short, the region John Dee and other EmodE scholars were writing about matches the phyiscal geography, history and descriptions given in the Book of Mormon, even down to the names of the cities and states as they were known in Arabic texts that would have been available to those 16th century authors: Kamara, Rahma, Sidon, Moron etc.
  3. I'm not arguing that it is fiction or even historical fiction. I suppose it could be, but my hypothesis is that the text is entirely historically accurate. I've shared the archeological findings that clearly date the arrival of an iron-age founding group in 582 BC, seven years after the Lehites departed. I've also shared the archeological findings in the north of the peninsula, another Iron-age civilization arrives in the 6th-5th century BC. It is said this civilization was founded by an exiled prince who shared the name of the king of the Achaemenid dynasty [1] when the Mulekites had departed [2]. Even today, one of the great warrior kings of this civilization is known as Maroni, one of the original spellings of Moroni in the Book of Mormon. I've provided plenty of evidence for a historical Book of Mormon over the past three years, there's been no interest in actually engaging or discussing it. Jacob says in 545 BC "wherefore as it says isles, there must needs be more than this, and they are inhabited also by our brethren" This does not sound like Jacob was referring to the coastal areas of America. He clearly defines it. It says islands, so there must be many more than this (referring to the isle that he was on) and they are inhabited by other Israelite brothers that were led away by God from time to time. There are many islands or coasts inhabited by Israelites. This is how the world was seen by Jewish and Christian authors up until 1650, hundreds and thousands of islands from the Red Sea to India and beyond, and they were inhabited by Israelites. Take another example, the Iggeret orhot olam the first Hebrew text to mention the Americas. The author describes all the different locations across the Indies where Israelites were known to live. He then dismisses the idea that Americans were possible descendants of Israelites. This was a popular text, published widely in the 16th and 17th centuries. What I am saying is that the Book of Mormon narrative lines up with the geographical understanding of authors like Abraham ben Mordecai Farissol. Not only that, but it lines up with history. I can't explain it, but Joseph Smith dictated a text that describes the geography and history of a real world location that has been known for millennia as the home of Israelites who left Jerusalem in 600 BC. -------- [1]. Legend says that Kambu Swayambhuva was a learned prince who had initially been an Indian king. He had ventured into the far East and became the founder of the Khmer (Kamboja) civilization. Numerous Muslim writings of medieval era spell the Kamboj clan name as Kambu as well as Kambo. Obviously, these Kambu/Kambo terms are the corrupted forms of Kambuj/Kamboj and relate to the Kamboja of ancient Sanskrit and Pali texts and Inscriptions. This Sanskrit Kamboja appears as K.b.u.ji.i.y, Kabujiya or perhaps Kabaujiya/Kaboujiya and Kambujiya or perhaps Kambaujiya ( OR with -n- in place of -m- as Kanbujiya or Kanbaujiya) of Old Persian inscriptions, and Cambyses of Greek writings. The same name appears as C-n-b-n-z-y in Aramaic, Kambuzia in Assyrian, Kambythet in Egyptian, Kam-bu-zi-ya or Ka-am-bu-zi-ya in Akkadian, Kan-bu-zi-ia or Kan-bu-si-ya in Elamite, and Kanpuziya in the Susan language (cf: Ancient Kamboja in Iran and Islam, p 69, Dr H. W. Bailey). Source [2]. Cambyses I or Cambyses the Elder (via Latin from Greek Καμβύσης, from Old Persian Kambūǰiya, Aramaic Knbwzy; c. 600 BC – 559 BC) was king of Anshan from c. 580 to 559 BC. Though numerous scholars link Cambyses to the Sanskrit tribal name Kamboja there are also few scholars who suggest Elamite origin of the name. Source
  4. It would not be a mistake to an author in the 16th century. 16th century scholars and traders (including Columbus) believed that Israelites inhabited the islands of the Indies. As far as I can tell, no 16th century author ever made the claim that Jews sailed through the Indies to America. On the contrary there are substantial texts claiming that Israelite colonies inhabited the Indies. Its even right there in the Book of Mormon: 2 Nephi 10:21 "But great are the promises of the Lord unto them who are upon the isles of the sea; wherefore as it says isles, there must needs be more than this, and they are inhabited also by our brethren. For behold, the Lord God has led away from time to time from the house of Israel, according to his will and pleasure." Stated simply, if the author of the Book of Mormon lived in the 16th century, it is certain that the intended setting of the text was the islands of the Indies, believed to be inhabited by a number of Israelite groups. It wasn't until 1650 that Menasseh Ben Israel claimed that some Jews may have made it to continental South America, but even he argues against Native Americans being descendants of Jews. Again, an Early Modern English author was far more likely to write a text about Israelites in the isles, not on the American continent. Make no mistake, the internal geography of the Book of Mormon fits the region that 16th century authors identified as the island peninsula inhabited by Jews who departed Israel in 600 BC. (videos 1, 2, 3) If the author of the Book of Mormon wrote the text in the 16th century, does it not make sense that he would have been writing about the region that other 16th century authors identified as the home of Biblical groups who had been led away from time to time from the house of Israel?
  5. Real "indians" come from the Indies. In the 16th/17th centuries America was the Indies. If the author of the Book of Mormon lived in the 16th century, then the setting of the Book of Mormon is what was known about the Indies in the 16th century. The Book of Mormon is not anachronistic to the Indies. The text is perfectly aligned with what the 16th/17th century author knew about the Indies and the 6th century BC Israelites that were said to have lived there, in complete isolation from the Old World.
  6. Did you just list out the names of reservations and federally designated "Indian" tribes as evidence that Native Americans use the word Indian? 😂
  7. It is unfortunate that this narrative became so prominent. It would have been just as easy to run with a different narrative. Remember Joseph Smith claimed to have found the bones of Zelph, a righteous white Lamanite prophet in Illinois who fought for freedom with the Prophet Onandagus. Goes to show that (1) not all Lamanites were evil, (2) not all Lamanites were cursed with a skin of blackness, and (3) those with Lamanite ancestry today could just as easily be white, like Zelph the white Lamanite prophet.
  8. Issac Hale said this about what he saw: "The next day after this happened, I went to the house where Joseph Smith Jr., lived, and where he and Harris were engaged in their translation of the Book. Each of them had a written piece of paper which they were comparing, and some of the words were "my servant seeketh a greater witness, but no greater witness can be given him." There was also something said about "three that were to see the thing" -- meaning I supposed, the Book of Plates, and that "if the three did not go exactly according to the orders, the thing would be taken from them." I enquired whose words they were, and was informed by Joseph or Emma, (I rather think it was the former) that they were the words of Jesus Christ. I told them, that I considered the whole of it a delusion, and advised them to abandon it. The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret, was the same as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, and his hat over his face, while the Book of Plates were at the same time hid in the woods!" Joseph and his scribe Martin were translating the Book of Mormon when Isaac Hale walked into the house to observe. (1) Joseph and his scribe were comparing written words on two pieces of paper, (2) Correct me if I'm wrong, but these words never appear in the Book of Mormon or Doctrine and Covenants, (3) It was confirmed that those words being compared on two different pieces of paper were the words of Jesus Christ. Why were they comparing words written out on two sheets of paper in front of witnesses? Where did these revealed words go? Does this not confirm that it is possible that the witnesses to the translation process were not always witnessing the dictation of the Book of Mormon? Edit: the words being compared must be related to D&C 5. However, this does suggest that observers to the process might have thought they were witnessing a translation of the plates when they actually were witnessing revelations that were not related to the Book of Mormon.
  9. Ryan McKnight's MormonLeaks came after the MormonLeaks site discussing Book of Mormon origins. There was a small controversy about it a few years back: "Criddle, of Redwood City, Calif., and two collaborators launched MormonLeaks.com (and bought the domain MormonLeaks.org along with a couple of others) in 2010....[In late 2016], Criddle said, McKnight approached him about buying the domain names, but the Criddle folks declined the offer."
  10. There are texts that were discovered and discussed in the decades leading up to the publication of the Book of Mormon. I've mentioned the Book of Gad the Seer before and find it highly relevant to this discussion. It claims to be a Biblical text that was carried by Jews in the 6th century BC to Cochin India, but written around the same time as the closing chapters of the Book of Mormon and yet translated in the late 18th century. Most importantly this text, along with others, was carried to London by Claudius Buchanan who had made the claim that Jews had migrated to India in the 6th century BC via southern Arabia with brass plates. Buchanan's accounts of the rediscovered texts of these white/black Jews were discussed at great length in New England.
  11. The witnesses weren't present at all hours of the day for 60 days. It could very well be that Joseph (and Oliver) had certain section memorized that they repeated when somebody did happen to walk in to observe. The witnesses never confirmed that the dictation they heard was unique or that any of it made its way into the final publication. For all we know the dictation that took place while others were present in the room may have been completely unrelated to the text we now have.
  12. The angel told Joseph that the text was about the former inhabitants of the American continent and the source from whence they sprang. The evidence that we have is clear, the former inhabitants of the Americas sprang from Asia. Either all the evidence is wrong, or we are misunderstanding what Joseph was told by the Angel Moroni.
  13. I'm familiar with the conversation about DNA, and there isn't much controversy. All the DNA evidence points to migrations by land, and by boat along the coastline, from East Asia with some traces of Australmelansian identified. The DNA evidence is clear, the former inhabitants of the American continent sprang from Asia. There's no DNA evidence to support the claim that three massive civilizations from the Middle East dominated the plains of Illinois or the Isthmus of Tehuantepec at any point between 2500 BC and 420 AD. However, my argument is that there is DNA evidence of these civilizations elsewhere, rising and falling at the right times in a geography that fits the one described in the Book of Mormon, in a location that would have been within range of the Jaredite, Lehite and Mulekite migrations. My conclusion is that the existing DNA evidence supports my model much better than the absence of DNA evidence supports the Mesoamerican or Heartland LGT models.
  14. The origins of the former inhabitants of the American continent, are not debatable. If we could run DNA tests on Zelph's bones taken from Naples-Russell Mound 8, do you expect they would reveal an Israelite in Illinois? I'm genuinely asking. The only way to resolve this problem is to place the text in Asia and say that the former inhabitants of American continent (eg. Zelph) sprang from there. Because those are the facts as we know them. Any other explanation is bad history.
  15. Joseph himself did not know the setting of the book, nor did he seem to understand the contents of the book in great detail, including the geographical references. The white Lamanite Zelph fighting under the great prophet Onandagus before the last great struggle at Cumorah is a good example of Joseph not having a solid understanding of the Book of Mormon narrative and geography. Historians are not going to accept a statement by an angel as a primary source. If Joseph and Oliver didn't write the text, they were not primary sources. We don't know who wrote the Book of Mormon, so the most definitive historical evidence for the text comes from the text itself.
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