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  1. I agree the Church needs a new nick name. If someone called me a Yeshuaite, I would be OK with that - I'm not crazy about it right now, but it might grow on me. I like it better than Mormon. I like LDS Christian - maybe just because I have been using it for about 20 years. Perhaps we could revert to what the first Christians used - they called themselves The Way.That incorporates a lot of meaning in a short, easy phrase. I am glad that I am starting to get across the distinction in the names and titles. I think it really is important to help understand the nature of God. That is one of my issues now with the KJV - I think it hides the true nature of God/El. This misunderstanding is the source of much controversy, contention and even anger. I think it is merely a result of misunderstanding the titles of God through the translation process. I think when YHWH referred to Himself as Eloah, he wasn't envisioning just being known as God. He was referring to Himself as the the firm or immovable power - like a rock. Yeah, I think the only Church of Jesus Christ would definitely stir up bad PR.... I think the Church is beginning to reach a point in the United States and Brazil at least that we might be able to channel a new direction in our standing and PR. We could also use a new identifier in new areas such as China. I don't mind Latter Day Saints, but calling oneself a saint seems a little presumptuous although I use LDS all the time. So that's a few to consider: The Way Yeshuaites LDS Christians I think other Christians may resist calling us The Way - that implies they are not on the right path. I don't think Yeshuaites will stick, but I am not against trying. It is certainly unique.
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    Missionaries and health insurance

    As indicated Pell grant won't be affected. However, there could be different tax ramifications. If he doesn't have much income, he may not be able to take full advantage of tax credits like the Hope tax credit. Therefore, you could claim the credit if you pay his tuition and claim him as a dependent. You indicated $10,000 in income, but your parenthetical made it sound more like $10,000 in the bank. That's not income, but assets. My son got a part time job, so claimed the credit himself. However, he received a full Pell grant for this semester.
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    Forget S.E.T.I. - We're the only ones here!

    The ion drive has already been produced. It is the main drive of the Dawn spacecraft now orbiting Ceres, which I believe holds the record for speed achieved by ion drive. Ion drives still work much like a rocket engine, but don't use a chemical reaction as the thrust. Instead they use the nuclear force of positive ions for thrust. They currently are most suited for long duration, low thrust needs of deep space travel ie solar system travel, although I think small ion thrusters are being used for satellites. Anyway there is nothing mysterious or top secret about them. They are far from a warp drive which are complete fiction.... If man ever makes it to Mars, I think it will be with a newer technology - either a much better ion drive or some type of nuclear drive.
  4. Hey, someone on the record totally agrees with me! Yay!! Well, that makes at least 2 of us. We need to get together and start the new LDS church.... Ha. Yeah, I understand completely where you are coming from, but I feel it is essential to point out the traditional view of polytheism, which LDS do not share in the least. I don't really like the English word god anymore either. It comes from a pagan Germanic background and is steeped in Greek traditions and pagan mythology ideas. I think of God as El or the power. Then the words of Isaiah make sense. When Yeshua becomes the Father He will not be a new power. He will just be sharing the existing power of the Father. It's a complete oneness kind of thing in my view. Rather than being a new "God," God is just adding to Himself. His house just becomes a little bit bigger, but it is not a new house. That's the way I look at it. They are not separate El/powers or houses. When we use words that way we are falling into the polytheism paradigm as I see it. We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ for a reason. The Father is the ultimate El/power from which all priesthood power derives. Everyone invited into that house can be elohim with Him. They become His close family - sons and daughters. He sometimes shares that power.. a little... But if they try to do their own thing. they get the boot. So it definitely is different from polytheism in that regard - that's really what I wanted to point out. Separate spirits who become one in spirit or purpose - to bring to pass the eternal life and immortality of man. So, yes I do believe in separate spirits in the Godhead, but they really aren't separate powers. Satan fell trying to be a separate power... Cheers, friend.
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    Forget S.E.T.I. - We're the only ones here!

    Hey. I feel a beginning of a new coinism. Can I use that in my sig? (just kidding). The problem as I see it is avoiding the 99% of cheap, Chinese products in the internet Wal-Mart.
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    PBS - Native America

    Ha ha. That would be awesome, but I think that task will be left up to someone other than PBS...
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    PBS - Native America

    Thanks for the heads up Cinepro. According to Imdb this is a series of 4 episodes. I will certainly want to at least explore it. My particular interest is in the Hopewell period, and hopefully it will get addressed. Some have referred to the Hopewell as the Romans of N. America. They were definitely the happening culture of N. America at the time, and it would be a shame if this period gets shortshrifted, but I don't think many or any modern native Americans identify with the Hopewell, since they died out, so we'll see.
  8. Hey Navidad. Yes, the Church "theology" if you will has changed, and will continue to change more I believe, because God is not done revealing his "secrets" to man. I think Brigham Young represented a definite change in Church "theology" if you will. I believe under BY the Church theology of theosis departed from the teachings of Joseph Smith and became a process involving polygamy. I don't see polygamy as being necessary at all, and I think the church has retreated to that position as well. Nevertheless, it remains a prominent example of what you are talking about. I don't see myself as being polytheistic, because I do believe in one leader. I believe Yeshua has led us exactly as He has seen the Father do, and thus will become the Father completely and absolutely. They are already one Elohim. They lead as one. I would say that is more in line with henotheism than polytheism. In polytheism you have a different god for different purposes, and usually different powers. It is nothing like the LDS viewpoint, and definitely paints the wrong picture. The Godhead is one in purpose. Further, ultimately all power is derived from the Father. If the Son were to depart from the precepts of the Father, He would no longer be the Son, but would fall. He is not some independent god in the usual meaning of that word. He derives power from the Father, because He has done the will of the Father in all things. The Father is El Elyon, the Most High Power. The Son is El Shaddai, who weans us from the breast to be more like Him - to learn to follow in His footsteps. No one is running off to become their own god unto themselves, because there is none other as we learn from Isaiah. Nor will any new El be formed. I'm not sure if there is really one word to accurately describe this belief. Is theostic a word? Unfortunately theosim has been hijacked to describe followers of one, Theo. As I have explained, I do not subscribe to the the Trinitarian Doctrine about the nature of God, so I am left for the need of a new word to describe my beliefs - I will posit Theostic for this purpose. However, I don't think all LDS currently share this belief to the same extent, so there you have it.
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    Stake disciplinary council

    I do have respect toward those in priesthood callings. I assume that they have earned a certain degree of trust or wouldn't have been called. I don't believe I have ever had a bad bishop. I think the vast majority have volunteered because they truly want to help their wards. However, I don't assume they are perfect, and have heard a few horror stories, which shows they are fallible men and can go astray. So like all people although I meet them with the respect their calling calls for, I keep my eyes and ears open. I basically give people a certain level of trust until I have reason not to. But I agree that Church leaders should have the attitude that they should earn trust rather than expect it by virtue of their callings - whether they be male or female. Of course it doesn't. Can't tell if you are being a little facetious here. The power of priesthood keys is not exercised by force or intimidation, which is a common way men lead. To be a priesthood holder they may have to unlearn the way the world teaches to lead. I believe that is one of the important points that scripture is making. Leadership is not about self and looking good in front of one's congregation, etc. Priesthood keys promise authority for revelation, etc. Our scriptures recognize that authority may be abused. D&C 121:35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson— 36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness. 37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man. In the particular situations I am thinking of priesthood was attempted to be used to cover up the sin of sexual abuse. We have a member of this board who still hasn't recovered from that, and has left the church. My wife is familiar with a similar situation growing up. Another well known case was a high authority who made up fictionalized stories which he presented to the Church. The attitude that one's position of authority trumps all else is what can promote that kind of thing, and I deign to say that is what turns off certain people about the Church. Again I believe church leaders have to be sustained because that is a final key of authority to lead the Church. It comes from the Church members on up to the president of the Church. Church members should not be discouraged from using that key wisely, and disciplining Church members for using their conscience in exercising that key should never happen. It should not be seen as diminishing the authority of the priesthood.
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    Stake disciplinary council

    I guess that is where the now defunct Gui's law came from, hey? Of course I am not comparing the Church leadership to Nazis, but just trying to make a point that absolute authority on earth seems to corrupt. I believe that is why the Church members were given the right to vote. I don't have too much problem with the present system, but I have heard of situations like the ones I brought up, where a sister got the royal treatment for abstaining from sustaining a bishop because of what she knew about him. That should not happen in the Church, but the attitude of authority trumping all else made it possible. Instead of the sister getting chewed out, maybe the appropriate response was to hear the sister in a disciplinary council for the bishop. The Lord has never promised that priesthood holders won't go astray. Instead He told us: D&C 121:39 We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion. 40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen. 41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned; 42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile— Threatening those who abstain is contrary to scripture. That is my only point. The fact that I have heard about it in the Church makes me cringe.
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    Stake disciplinary council

    I wasn't speaking merely to his particular situation. What's the point of asking for a sustaining vote, if the Church merely excommunicates whoever refrains? I think that ignores that ultimately the authority of Church leaders comes from the members. I see nothing wrong with a person trying to convince others to refrain as well. I think that could well be the point of refusing to sustain. If a church leader is committing incest or child abuse shouldn't others know about it, and be encouraged not to sustain? The feeling that only the leaders have revelation of who the leader should be is not readily ascertainable from our scriptures, but I think is something that has crept into the church, and doesn't seem to comport with the semi-democratic nature of the Church set up in D&C. Indeed, if a leader has lost the confidence of a majority of the Church, he/she would probably be an ineffective leader anyway.
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    Missionaries and health insurance

    If my wife didn't have health insurance through her employer, our cost would be about a third-quarter of our income as well. My brother is a member of a Christian Medical Sharing Plan, but I think some of those have limitations for pre-existing conditions. Nevertheless, I think they allow one to avoid tax penalties, and represent a good option for self-employed or low income people. If we didn't have my wife's insurance, I think we would also be heavily utilizing a health-savings account, and buy cheap high-deductible health insurance. I don't know if a Christian Health Sharing Plan qualifies for this purpose though.
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    Stake disciplinary council

    I seem to agree with HJW to this extent - a person should not be subject to discipline for refusing to sustain a particular leader. The person may have very good reason for refusing to do so - like personal knowledge of some disqualifying sin committed by the appointee/leader the church needs to know about. The concept of priesthood authority then doesn't truly apply, but I have heard of situations where it is invoked. The concept of authority can be taken too far in absolutisms. I think the Church needs to also be cautious that authority is not abused as it occasionally is in the Church. Extreme loyalty to the point of Nazism bothers me.
  14. Females generally have a higher language intelligence than males, while males generally excel at 3D and geometric intelligence. There are several other types of intelligences which vary by gender - males are more often visual learners than women - women have a higher tendency to excel at verbal learning, etc.
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    The Cross and Religious Symbols

    According to the Zondervan Handbook of Biblical Archaeology in the vicinity of Jerusalem there are 1,000 or more rock-cut tombs. Israeli archaeologist Amos Kloner, who has examined more than 900 such tombs, found only four tombs dating from the late Second Temple period (the time of Jesus) that were closed by a rolling stone: 1.the tomb of the Queen Helena of Adiabene 2.the family tomb of King Herod of Jerusalem 3.one nearby Herod’s Family Tomb 4.another located in the upper Kidron Valley This fourth tomb is located where the temple priests would have had their tombs - east of the Temple - and is the most logical known candidate for the tomb of Joseph of Arimethea. Even if this tomb in the upper Kidron Valley is not the tomb of Joseph of Arimethea and hence the tomb of Yeshua, it is in the vicinity of the true Golgotha, dates to the correct time, and shows that such tombs were in the area. Thus, the last particular of the scriptural account is met with the location of the true Golgotha. The true Golgotha is also at the beginning of the road to Damascus, which is a subject of Yeshua's parables, such as the Good Samaritan. It is also the road on which Yeshua appeared to Paul/Saul. As you note the so-called Garden tomb has several archaeological issues with it. Yeshua began to suffer in the Garden of Gethsemane as He overlooked the area of His mortal death, and it's no wonder He sorrowed nigh unto death as He meditated and prayed there.
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