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  1. Unfortunately, young kids do stupid crap all the time, LDS, EV's, JW's, Catholics, .....thank God they usually grow out of such nonsense!
  2. Hi Rev! I believe you are correct, that this is in the future, but it seems that these going to Hell have rejected Jesus. Where in the scriptures do you come up with "another chance to repent"? And I thought that the LDS didn't really believe in a Hell.....The end of Matthew is pretty clear that many who reject Jesus will be there. Hebrews 9:27 [27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
  3. The Bible (Jesus himself) also says that the wicked will be separated out like sheep and goats, and the wicked will be sent into everlasting punishment. Do the LDS believe that part too? Matthew 25 [34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:[35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:[36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.[37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?[38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?[39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?[40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:[42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:[43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.[44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?[45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.[46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
  4. snowflake

    Attending Church

    Oh......I think you're just going to have to suck it up and deal brother!
  5. snowflake

    Attending Church

    Having been raised LDS, I know the LDS church believes in Jesus and the Bible. IMO, Jesus and the Bible are not the top priority in your church, I would list the LDS top priorities as something like........ family, church, prophet, priesthood, the gospel, BOM......then the Bible and Jesus. Important......but not the most important. All i'm saying is that other churches put Jesus as top priority.
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    Attending Church

    Try going to a church whose focus is on the Bible and Jesus........
  7. snowflake

    The conception of Adam's children

    Roman's 5:12 12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned
  8. From what i understand in Mormon theology we were "intelligences" before we became "spirits", and that once one becomes a spirit they are a "god" or "baby god"? How does that work with Heavenly Father and Mother creating spirits?
  9. Could you elaborate on how in Mormon theology the universe creates Gods please? You are implying the universe was around first.?.
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    Bees understand the concept of zero

    Taxpayer money being wasted on more worthless "science". I'm sure they are applying for another grant so they can "continue to research and understand the bees math skills"....
  11. I'm letting the text speak for itself. Where in scripture do you find support for matter being eternal and Jesus "organizing" it?
  12. Very interesting take....haven't heard explained that way before..... I appreciate that. There is also another way to explain it, a much more biblical explanation. God is spirit and exists outside our time-space domain....in other words this world we live in is a shadow of "reality" or a shadow of the "spirit realm". Like you said above, Jesus can appear out of nowhere, as well as angels,.......they have the ability to enter and leave our time-space domain at will. The lds Heavenly Father is stuck in the same length X width X height X time domain as all other humans......with superior technology he can perform miracles. The God of the Bible exists outside of this domain without a body of flesh and bone.
  13. Because all scholars don't agree with your take....ex-nihilo can be supported by the text itself too. I absolutely agree that we should allow the text to speak for itself. Heb 11:3 [3] Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. Col 1 [16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: John 1:3 [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Why would I need a "scholar" to explain these verses to me?.......we just disagree Robert.
  14. Your take (or the LDS take) on creation seems to have borrowed heavily from the Greek version as well, the "Chaos"....deities organizing matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_(cosmogony)
  15. If God has a body of flesh and bones (as Jesus) and lives in the natural universe, how do they travel to Kolob? He must obey all the physical rules of the universe....and what about all those miracles, if Jesus is subject to the natural law how did he walk on water?
  16. Are you saying that the almighty God is subject to the Law of Conservation of Mass!?! He must submit to it?!? Sorry my friend I believe he created the laws along with all the matter in the universe.
  17. All of these scriptures seem to point to an ex-nihilo creation. Here is some more for the LDS book of Moses....to me it really sounds like Joseph just did his own editing of Genesis. 1 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto Moses, saying: Behold, I reveal unto you concerning this heaven, and this earth; write the words which I speak. I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God; by mine Only Begotten I created these things; yea, in the beginning I created the heaven, and the earth upon which thou standest. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and I caused darkness to come up upon the face of the deep; and my Spirit moved upon the face of the water; for I am God. 3 And I, God, said: Let there be light; and there was light.
  18. Sure....absolutely God created me....not sure what you mean by pre-existed......as an intelligence?.....as a spiritual offspring of heavenly father and mother?....I don't think the LDS take on this is very clear...what were the intelligences? What were you before you were a spirit baby? How did heavenly father and mother "create" spirit babies?.....it is a lot of spirits!?!?
  19. Where do the LDS come up with Joseph's take on all of this? (JOD? POGP) specifically.....what scriptures do you use to support the "reorganizing of matter/LDS take"?
  20. 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
  21. Rev I agree with your first paragraph, there are huge holes in the big bang. But the concept of a beginning of the universe sits perfectly well with the bible. I don't understand where you get the concept of earth creation in Genesis 1:2....why are you skipping Genesis 1:1 which is when the earth is described as being created, time (beginning), space (heaven) and matter (earth) come into reality on day one.....you have to have all 3 for the other 2 to exist. The earth is the epicenter of God's creation and was created on day 1...it was without form and void. The stars (and all the other galaxies) were created later. So according to the bible the earth is older than the sun...wow! 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Where in the bible do you come up with your support for Joseph's theory?
  22. I'm often confused why the LDS don't believe in science. The big bang clearly supports ex-nihilo.
  23. I thought that new genes were required for the "creation" (evolution) of new species....or multiple genes were needed...no?
  24. I don't follow you.....so the human race (mammals) were going along and then suddenly we got the ability to digest milk?...which was caused by two regulatory gene mutations in two populations at two different times...What were all the humans feeding their babies before that?
  25. Thanks for your response. Am I correct in my understanding that it would take new sections of genetic "code" in the DNA molecule to produce different genes which lead to different features on a species? One thing i have never been able to grasp with the evolution theory is that you have to start with a huge section of DNA. (where did the DNA come from, why does it contain information, how could this just "randomly" form and then reproduce)? And then through "random mutation" of the genetic code somehow large chunks of new code are created (a code that would produce say wings). If you think of it like a computer code on your I phone, and you take a certain code for an app and "randomly" start manipulating the code...it doesn't create a new app...or improve the code....it only leads to errors, and It certainly wouldn't lead to a new and improved app. (And the DNA molecule is far more complex than computer code).