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  1. When you look at the WOW do you read the text itself or use the current salt lake COJCOLDS take on the WOW?
  2. I think you are spot on here..... you correctly identify a distinct difference from the LDS and traditional Christians.
  3. Agreed,.......but drinking a mild barley drink.....which is clearly allowed in the text.....would be so forbidden as well.
  4. The church has approved prescription opioids and medical marijuana so you always have those available.
  5. I broke the WOW all weekend long, chicken, ribs, hamburgers and steak....all forbidden except for certain times. 12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly; 13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine. However, I washed it down with several mild barley drinks which are permitted (beer). 17.......and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain. So don't beat yourself up!!!
  6. Any thoughts as to if the current "Prophet, Seer and Revelator" uses the stone and if not.....why?
  7. Any idea where Joseph's seer stones are now, or the spectacles and breastplate?
  8. Maybe Jesus was trying to show the Nephites that he was God in the flesh like in John 14? They are praying to the Father then Jesus shows up..... 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
  9. Hi Kevin, I agree with most of what you say above thanks for your response. I highlighted something I would like to ask you about. The bible seems to point out that we are not sons or children of God until we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior...or as you put it "become" his sons and daughters after we covenant with him...the LDS theology seems to teach that humans are "born" sons and daughters....is that a fair analogy? Thank you.
  10. Good question....I would say that I do not pray to the Holy Spirit in the same way that I pray to the Father. I do pray to the Holy Spirit when I open scripture, often asking him to reveal himself to me, to reveal truth in his word and to give me wisdom (James 1:5).
  11. In the Book of Mormon Jesus' Apostles pray directly to him recognizing him as Lord and God.....almost all Christian sects accept Jesus as Lord and God (God in flesh)......and will pray directly to Him. It seems as though this is forbidden in LDS culture....Why doesn't the COJCOLDS accept him as Lord and God and pray directly to him as the first BOM Apostles did? 3 Nephi 19:13 And it came to pass when they were all baptized and had come up out of the water, the Holy Ghost did fall upon them, and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and with fire.3 Nephi 19:14 And behold, they were encircled about as if it were by fire; and it came down from heaven, and the multitude did witness it, and did bear record; and angels did come down out of heaven and did minister unto them.3 Nephi 19:15 And it came to pass that while the angels were ministering unto the disciples, behold, Jesus came and stood in the midst and ministered unto them.3 Nephi 19:16 And it came to pass that he spake unto the multitude, and commanded them that they should kneel down again upon the earth, and also that his disciples should kneel down upon the earth.3 Nephi 19:17 And it came to pass that when they had all knelt down upon the earth, he commanded his disciples that they should pray.3 Nephi 19:18 And behold, they began to pray; and *they did pray unto Jesus*, calling him their Lord and their God.
  12. What would you say is the more important book in the COJCOLDS....the Bible or the BOM? I thought that the bible was like the foundation and considered more important than the BOM... would you consider that true?
  13. My point is that the words of Christ in the BOM are very limited compared to the bible.....it contains about 20 chapters, 3rd Nephi from around chapter 11 to chapter 30. And most of these chapters were lifted directly from the Bible...Malachi 3 and 4, Isaiah 54 and Matthew 7. We don't really learn anything new about Jesus or his teachings from 3rd Nephi.
  14. Maybe you could help point me to exactly what is the "fullness of the everlasting gospel".....is there a definition of what specifically this is.....I'm afraid i might be missing what you are trying to tell me (sorry).
  15. Not sure why you wouldn't pray to Jesus.....his apostles in the BOM prayed directly unto him as Lord and God.....almost all Christian sects except the COJCOLDS recognize Jesus as Lord and God. 3 Nephi 19:13 And it came to pass when they were all baptized and had come up out of the water, the Holy Ghost did fall upon them, and they were filled with the Holy Ghost and with fire.3 Nephi 19:14 And behold, they were encircled about as if it were by fire; and it came down from heaven, and the multitude did witness it, and did bear record; and angels did come down out of heaven and did minister unto them.3 Nephi 19:15 And it came to pass that while the angels were ministering unto the disciples, behold, Jesus came and stood in the midst and ministered unto them.3 Nephi 19:16 And it came to pass that he spake unto the multitude, and commanded them that they should kneel down again upon the earth, and also that his disciples should kneel down upon the earth.3 Nephi 19:17 And it came to pass that when they had all knelt down upon the earth, he commanded his disciples that they should pray.3 Nephi 19:18 And behold, they began to pray; and *they did pray unto Jesus*, calling him their Lord and their God.
  16. I'm not sure why you would need the BOM then....all of the good news is contained in the Bible.....there is very little of the words of Jesus in the BOM.... and most of that was taken from the gospels. As I posted before non much of your church's organization is contained in the BOM...or am i missing it somewhere?
  17. Do you think it is possible that Jesus was sacrificed on another world? Is that what you are eluding to? He had to be nailed to a cross more than once?
  18. In Mormonism, Jesus is to be viewed as an example......a spiritual brother.......he is not worshiped, adored, prayed to...God in Flesh as the other Christian sects see him.
  19. Missing from the BOM, church presidency, quorum of the seventy, bishopric, no bishops, no stakes, no branches, no wards, no area presidency, polygamy is forbidden, no baptism for the dead.......should I go on? Are these the "fullness of the everlasting gospel"?
  20. I think your analogy is quite accurate. From what I have read on this board and having been raised in the LDS church, Joseph and the BOM are the most important aspects of the COJCOLDS. Jesus is way down at the bottom, like a footnote. Without Joseph and the BOM, absolutely the LDS church would crumble. The protestants, baptists, lutherans and all other Christians have Jesus at the top..... Jesus and a personal relationship with him is the most important aspect of their life.
  21. Not sure if you know this or not bth the "fullness of the everlasting gospel" Joseph taught about. is not found in the BOM.
  22. Wow really? Only the LDS have access to the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) ? Billions of Christians (non-lds) through many denominations claim to have had their lives changed through the Holy Spirit.
  23. The "big band" clearly suggests that the universe had a beginning and is not infinite, the fact that the universe is expanding also suggests that the universe is not infinite. I agree with you that proving it is something that I cannot do, maybe mathematically it is possible. Where is randomness found in our observable life? I was under the impression that even "random" number generators and other ideas of randomness like "random genetic mutation" are not truly random, something influences the process to make it biased.
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