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  1. Are Prophets Exemplars?

    Didn't Brigham and other LDS Apostles teach this as well?
  2. Are Prophets Exemplars?

    According to the LDS theology everyone is saved regardless....if one doesn't accept Jesus here on earth they can accept the LDS gospel after death... correct? I do think you recognize a lot of truth to prosperity preaching, and I would agree that many Christians "get saved" then go about their lives....both of these types of Christians clearly have not studied the Word and have not truly been "born again". One big difference is see between LDS and Christians is attitude. LDS truly think that people are basically good and by changing their behavior they can become approved by and accepted by God (follow the example Jesus gave us and you can come closer to God). Very similar to Catholics, lots of guilt from the church, ceremony, laws, ordinances from certain people....all this can lead to God's acceptance and approval. Jesus is not the primary focus in Mormonism. As a Christian I would say that basically I am a horrible sinner that deserves to be nailed on a cross for my sin. Only Christ in us can lead us to change our behavior, when one accepts Jesus as Lord, he accepts us where we are at....and then he changes our attitude from within. As the mediator we can access God directly through him. Jesus is the primary focus in Christianity.
  3. Are Prophets Exemplars?

    From the Christian perspective, it appears that you certainly like Jesus......but he couldn't quite pull it all off.....he came up short on so many things. Now if you look at Joseph....now there was a real leader. He pulled it all off, marriages, families, going to the grove....reading his scriptures. As a Christian we would say Jesus plus nothing, he is totally and completely sufficient. Your statement above is Jesus plus other stuff.....Jesus alone is not enough.....the LDS need prophets, scripture, family, marriages etc, etc, layer upon layer between you and God. And that is exactly how the majority of mainstream Christians look at the LDS. I see the LDS as a group who is zealous and sincere, and they truly think they can earn their way to the top by their own meirts, and they just might need a little Jesus at the end....after all they can do.
  4. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    Good point Robert, "demons" are not mentioned in the KJV. Ok, I like being specific, they (demons) are referred to as devils, unclean spirits in the KJV. Take Matthew 4 for example. 24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them. Are these devils and unclean spirits human?
  5. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    Are demons considered the same species as humans, angels, gods and God in Mormon theology?
  6. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    If Jesus is God in the flesh , how could God have a spirit baby with Heavenly Mother creating himself....it just doesn't make sense when looking at Mosiah 15.
  7. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    What about the "sons of God" in Genesis 6, and Job 1 and 2? Would they become one with God or are they one with God?
  8. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    That is correct according to Creedal Christianity, God, angels and Human are 3 different "species". And what I understand about the LDS faith, all 3 the same species. There are a few examples in the Bible of the fallen angels breeding with women. Genesis 6:2,4 Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Now you will have to do some research on "sons of God". bene ha elohim, “sons of God” (Genesis 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7) bene ‘elim, “sons of God” (Psalms 29:1; 89:6)
  9. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    I'm not following you on the last line here, different species of intelligent life? Are you referring to life here on earth? Creedal belief in so many different species of intelligent life....? Please elaborate more for me.
  10. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    No, I appreciate you being specific, so often the Mormon "language" and the Christian "language" use the same words with different meanings which leads to confusion. As I understand, there is not a lot of understanding about these "intelligences", any references where I might read what the Prophets or scriptures say about this stuff. Also, is it correct in LDS theology that "matter" is eternal as well, there was no beginning to it, similar the intelligences? Your comment above about different species, do you mean that God is an exalted human, angels are human on a different level of exaltation and we are "gods" in utero or training?
  11. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    "Created" would be more like "organized", from what I understand as "pre-existing intelligences", correct? Is it accurate to say Jesus was "organized" from these intelligences or not?
  12. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    Agreed. Is it not true that in Mormon theology, Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother created spirit offspring. The first born was Jesus. Now how he was created or organized from "intelligences" is still a mystery from what I understand, nonetheless Jesus is the firstborn spirit being. Do I have the story correct so far?
  13. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    Sounds like the trinity to me...maybe you are Trinitarian?
  14. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    Ok, first of all I did not call you or anyone a liar on the board. I don't like personal attacks and if that is what it felt like, my apologies "Papa". Second of all, excellent response, now I understand where you are coming from with your explanation of 100 beings that could make up the Godhead. As I posted before, I thought that we were probablly using a familiar term "One" as it relates to God with different definitions, which is why I requested clarity on that and the source of my misunderstanding. FYI: Moderators see no difference in telling someone they should be honest and calling them a liar.
  15. Mosiah 15: 1-5

    I just don't agree with your idea that all of these gods are one God. Joseph taught in the king follet discourse and in the book of Abraham a council of Gods with one head God. If you have a head God and a council of other Gods that would make more than 1! It read first, "The head one of the Gods brought forth the Gods"; that is the true meaning of the words. Baurau signifies to bring forth. If you do not believe it, you do not believe the learned man of God. No man can teach you more than what I have told you. Thus the head God brought forth the Gods in the grand council. I will simplify it in the English language. Oh, ye lawyers and ye doctors who have persecuted me, I want to let you know that the Holy Ghost knows something as well as you do. The head God called together the Gods, and they sat in grand council. The grand councilors sat in yonder heavens and contemplated the creation of the worlds that were created at that time. When I say doctors and lawyers, I mean the doctors and lawyers of the scripture. I have done so hitherto to let the lawyers flutter and everybody laugh at them. Some learned doctor might take a notion to say, "The scriptures say thus and so and are not to be altered."
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