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  1. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    That's funny..... how does evolution have anything to do with medicine? I know many doctors and professors believe in the fantasy of evolution simply because they have been taught it since elementary school, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with research and development of modern medicine.
  2. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Thanks MFB, i appreciate your take!
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    Would it be fair to say "philosiphically speaking" Mormonism, Atheism, Islam and Christianity are all equally "true"?
  4. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Basically you are saying "there is no such thing as truth".......is that a true statement?
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    I am not a geologist either, but we are in agreement here, this was clearly underwater at one time... to make these layers....perfectly fitting into the global flood. Sediments naturally separate into layers, I was at the beach two weeks ago and there was an area where the beach was eroding with probably about a 2-3 foot cut. My boys and i were amazed at the distinct layers in just the sand alone.....my 13 year old son jokingly said man that must have taken millions of years to form those layers...like they taught me in 7th grade earth sciences. I thought....or a few hours at a really high tide or storm.
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    Thank you for your response MFB, well said. First: Why I believe the bible to be the word of God. The more I study the Bible the more i have come to understand that it is an integrated message system from outside our time-space domain. The old testament has hundreds of prophecies many of which have come true. How could the OT prophets know of future events? Well they were inspired by God to give us a message before the actual events took place. Here are just a few that would give evidence for my claim. Micah 5:2 ....born in Bethlehem. Zechariah 9:9...King on a Donkey, Zechariah 11:12...betrayed for 30 pieces of silver, Zechariah 11:13 Temple, Potter..etc. Zechariah 13:6...wounds in hands, Isaiah 53:7 ...no defense..innocent, Isaiah 53:9....died with the wicked, grave with the rich, Psalm 22:16, crucified. These are 8 of the more famous prophicies....which there are over 300 prophicies. Once you understand and do some homework this is clear evidence of inspired by (someone outside our time space domain)...God if you will. Empirical evidence for the claims of the book (Bible). Empirical evidence and a world view that makes the most sense out of everything.....that is my main reason for trusting in the Bible. Second: Your explanation above is excellent... we know these books to be true..... because God told us so......this as an emotional response is spot on....well said sir! The problem I have always had with this response is that is assumes that there is no such thing as "truth" if you will. The Mormons, Christians, and Muslims all get an emotional response that their book is correct..but if we are honest we know that all three of them have a different "God" among many other things, (and yes I am saying the LDS God is different than the Christian God) and without looking very deep we know that that simply cannot be correct, they are three very different "Gods"! So if you throw "truth" out the window as irrelevant (I know you will have a brilliant take on "truth" for me MFB) or as "everyone has their own truth"....then I guess you are fine with this as an accurate test for scripture. Oh, and also yes, God has told me that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
  7. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Evolution....the atheist's religion, or magic wand, fantasy, wishful thinking...total nonsense, but I know we have been down this road before.
  8. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    I was at the cliffs of Moher last spring (not my photo), Just amazing the layers stacked up here, no evidence of erosion between the layers......, strata layed down perfectly symmetrical by water. I'm often amazed the assumptions people make, and simply disregard obvious signs of a global flood. Then replace God's word with lies that they have been taught since pre-school. We see layered strata all over the world as evidence of a global flood.
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    Hey I am not saying that this is noah's ark.....I'm just saying that the country of Turkey has recognized it as such and that there has been some interesting finds at this site. Never was my claim that this is the ark....that is several other people's claim.
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    Do you think the text itself is wrong? because the bible is pretty clear that it was a global flood and that all flesh perished except what was on the ark.
  11. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Thanks for you response and I will do my best to respond here with several points and I do respect your opinion on this forum MFB. Help me understand why the LDS don't fall into this circular argument as well. When I look at the Moroni challenge, it just reminds me of the "Christian" faith healers. Their game is: that if you have enough faith and send us your money you will get (whatever you want riches, children, spouse, healing..etc). The faith healer promises that if you have enough faith you will get your answer......and if you don't get your answer....all the fault falls on the believer that didn't have enough faith. This is exactly what the Moroni challenge is. We all know it is true (LDS Leadership) , but if you don't have enough faith, with total trust in God then you have failed (either with a sin in your life, or not confessing something....etc). So please help me to distinguish the difference between the faith healer and the moroni challenge....and why isn't the moroni challenge circular reasoning? I think what you are trying to tell me (and I can be a little slow) is that because you get a feeling...burning in the bosom....emotional response....etc.. you trust in your self conscience that satisfies you as an "answer" that is why it isn't circular reasoning? Again, I know you are well versed in Philosophy and I appreciate you dumbing it down for me. Also I know that many different LDS sects rely on the moroni challenge to determine "truth"....are they falling into my fallacy too? Thanks MFB!
  12. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    I thought fossilization required rapid burial, via mud slide, volcano or ......flood.
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    God also explains himself in Genesis 6; 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
  14. Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

    Interesting that all of your questions here are answered in the Bible. If you would read the Good Book there are clear answers to believers and those who are yet to "believe". In the Bible God tells us it is his word (2 Timothy 3:16) The entire Bible screams out Yeshua, plus eye witness accounts and the 4 Gospels. There are several tests for a prophet, Deuteronomy 13, 18, Galatians 1 8-9.
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    Why would you expect to see all of these fossilized?