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  1. I think you are misunderstanding what the term "restored gospel" means. When Joseph restored the gospel he brought the church and it's ordinances back to the way the Apostles were performing them in the 1st century. So basically sacrament is done just like the Apostles did, water, coke, fruit juice, whatever liquid is available can be used for wine and the same with the bread..., chocolate, crackers, tortilla chips....doesn't matter, it's the restored gospel OK?
  2. Excellent explanation of Mormonism. Unbiblical fantasy...... but well said sir.
  3. Not true, macroevolution has not been observed. Look at the fruit fly experiment done in high school and colleges. After literally tens of thousands of generations and over a hundred years of trying to "force" the fruit fly to evolve we still end up with.......a fruit fly. Moths produce moths everytime, maybe a little bigger, or smaller or a little different color but always moths, no exception has ever been observed.
  4. Macroevolution is simply not supported by observation or experiment, microevolution absolutely. My point being evolution is based on belief not experimentation and observation.
  5. Would you please let us know your definition of science.
  6. It seems that Joseph thought the earth was around 7,000 years old and was created in 6 days too. But then again, he might have been translating the Nephite term "day". D&C 77 12 Q. What are we to understand by the sounding of the trumpets, mentioned in the 8th chapter of Revelation?A. We are to understand that as God made the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work, and sanctified it, and also formed man out of the dust of the earth, even so, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years will the Lord God sanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and judge all things, and shall redeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power, when he shall have sealed all things, unto the end of all things; and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—the preparing of the way before the time of his coming.
  7. My point is that as a believer in God's word, I have no problem believing in Jesus, in his miracles and that he rose from the grave. I take the creation account as history and fact as well. I can accept that before the flood humans lived hundreds of years because the Word says so. Global flood, no problem, but evolution and 7 day creation whoooooaaaaaaaa that would be "crazy and unscientific". Historically speaking it is my understanding, that the Jews agreed with the 7 day creation period too.
  8. Your fundamental error is to disregard God's word, the authority of scripture you apparently see as impossible or corrupt or am I reading my Bible wrong? "Science" has told us that the virgin birth is impossible. "Science" has told us that the bodily resurrection of Jesus is impossible. Do you believe these things happened or has science disproved them?
  9. God might not be "discussed" formally in science classes at university but he certainly was scoffed at, ridiculed, and compared to Santa claus at my university biology class which I took for a year. Any mention of a "designer" was met with expected hostility, contempt and disregarded as fantasy. I remember studying the Krebs cycle in biology lab and I looked at the lab tech and asked how she this complex energy transfer system just "evolved" out of amino acids. She just smiled and said I know, pretty amazing huh, and at the time I truthfully thought that evolution was possible. The notion that God has nothing to do with science is untrue. The vast majority of scientists are atheists. Now, I would agree that God was rarely discussed in my University physics or chemistry classes. As I pointed out earlier Hugh Ross (and others) appear to have been stuck at the University too long. The inability for some at the University to determine the difference between science and religion is understandable. It is a cardinal sin at the University to question certain things, and the holy grail of evolution and the age of the earth/universe are the big ones, another newer one would be global warming..er....climate change. (To doubt these could cost one their job!) So to mentally come to terms with the facts that the Biblical text and "science" don't agree, they begin with the mental gymnastics. If you accept evolution as a "truth" you must either A) completely disregard religion and the bible or B) torture the biblical text until you can compress evolution into it, that way one can somehow come to terms that they really are compatible. Mr.Ross and others have done the latter.
  10. This depends on what you consider science. In most high school "science" classes and all college biology classes you will be taught that you are an evolved monkey, there is no such thing as God, and the earth is billions of years old and was "created" after the sun. Not sure if you've read the Genesis account recently but would encourage you to read it again. Just a few points of the Genesis account that absolutely disagree with "science". There is a God. The earth was created on day 1 before the sun (day4). Man was not evolved from a monkey but was created out of the dust by God (day 6). If you take "day" to mean "day" (like it clearly says in Exodus 20) the earth is around 7000 years old. Plants were created before the sun. No such thing as evolution. All of these things are clearly taught in Genesis, and are incongruent with what is taught in high school and university.
  11. I totally agree that context is important. Exodus 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. So we have an account stuck right in the middle of the 10 commandments, claiming the earth was created in 10 days. Perfect example of context. In the Genesis account you are correct in pointing out that there was light (day 1) before the sun, planets and the stars (day 4). The Genesis account also has plants showing up on day 3. If the "days" of Genesis meant long periods of time, all the plants would die without the sun's light for thousands of years, no?
  12. Your take fits perfectly into category #2. How long is a "day" in Genesis?
  13. O, you have a couple of options here to make this fit into your worldview. 1. As a young earth creationist (I know call me crazy), the "scientists" are simply wrong on their timeline. When reading the Bible, the more literal and rigid that one reads the Bible, the more one is forced into the young earth view. When I say "I believe the Bible to be the word of God", one must accept what it says as truth, and if a 4 billion year old earth is presented, the Biblical worldview would reject that number as incorrect. When we take the genealogies in the Bible and trace them back then yes you end up with creation around 4000B.C. or so. Defenders of this view are Ken Hamm and the "answers in genesis" types. https://answersingenesis.org/ and http://creation.com/ 2. I see many Mormons and Christians with the view that yes the earth is billions of years old. To get to this position they take the word "day" from the creation account in Genesis and spin it into "creation periods" which can mean basically whatever you want and length of times however you want them to be too. They will also abuse the scripture from Peter that says a day to God is like a thousand years (2 Peter 3:8). This view typically accepts macroevolution as fact, denies a global flood and accepts death before the fall as well. Often you will hear that there was death before the fall but not the death of Man with this view. Anyway you cut it, this worldview basically forces modern day "scientific views" of geology and evolution onto the Bible, instead of taking what the Biblical text says about creation and death before the fall. Hugh Ross has an excellent website basically defending this particular worldview. http://www.reasons.org/ 3. The third option is you throw the Bible out as irrelevant, throw the BOM out as irrelevant and place "scientism" as your worldview. This worldview accepts abiogenesis, big bang, universe billions of years old, macroevolution of species, stellar evolution, chemical evolution as "fact". I personally find this world view as much of a "religion" as Christianity or Mormonism.
  14. Not so fast, there to you. These results are being found not just by one specific scientist with an agenda, carbon 14 is being found, proteins, left handed amino-acids are being documented at different universities from different specimens around the globe.
  15. I think I have mentioned this before, but paleontologists all over the world are finding carbon 14 and soft tissue in dinosaur fossils. How can carbon 14 be in a 80 million year old fossil? Well c14 dating is considered to be accurate up to ~60,000 years give or take. c14 in dinosaur fossils is "evidence" the dinosaurs were living less than 100,000 years ago. Making the "mother of all evidences" wrong. Your faith and excitement in "scientism" and "evolutionism" is clearly palpable but certainly not settled. Science is never "settled". Common sense tells us that blood vessels, and soft tissue cannot possibly last ~68million years. Here is a video on soft tissue and carbon 14 found in dinosaur bones.