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  1. Light is Good.

    Glenn, thanks so much for sharing your personal story and testimony with me. I am very glad that that it has helped you in your life. I wish you only the best. For the purposes of this topic I will describe a few types of Spirit experiences: 1) You intellectually see a clear path and the Spirit confirms it with good feelings 2) You have good feelings about a choice and attribute them to the Spirit 3) You have good feelings about a thing (like a belief or a church) and attribute it to the Spirit 4) You have good feelings about a person and attribute them to the Spirit l I have done all four of these things and more, as I guess you surely also have. There are also other ways to describe the Spirit. Yet, my evaluation about the Spirit has changed and I no longer believe experiences like 2, 3, or 4 are necessarily valid examples of the Spirit of God. They imo can be overgeneralised to legitimize too much. For example, many Spirit experiences can be very simple witnesses of the worth of a person, be it yourself or others and are common as we make choices validating that worth. Moroni's Promise, rather than a real truth-seeking method, now seems to me like an emotional method to leverage loyalty to the Book of Mormon. There are so many things in the book which can generate strong feelings to facilitate this method. Alternatively, I think the Spirit will testify of things more simply and specifically, one thing at a time. To me, a church with a claim of authority and direct line to God is an inadequate replacement of the authentic spiritual life. While an authentic spiritusl life might happen concurrently as one participates in a "one true church," I think that at some point or points the two will likely diverge. Sometimes the separation becomes untenable. I guess it really comes down to blind faith. To me, one cannot prioritise another person's spiritual experience over one's own. If one, then, is going to be an active participant of equal worth in a spiritual gathering of believers, they will see the doings common to their group, that those experiences can be made opportunities to feel the Spirit with an informed mind, more expansively and more authentically. These doings, whatever they are, will be continually an inseparable part of the shared experieces. Hiding such things is only a hindrance to growth and unity.
  2. Light is Good.

    Well I do appreciate that you acknowledge conflict between both sides. Thank you. My confirmation by the Spirit was not evidence, but confirmation of evidence seen. How do you know that your spiritual confirmation of Joseph Smith as prophet is legitimate? What, besides Mormon-taught techniques, teach you that Joseph was a prophet? In other words, are you not using techniques Joseph taught for recognizing truth to confirm what he taught? Does the validity of those techniques stand on their own?
  3. Light is Good.

    You say that, but how is that claim supported by gospel principles?
  4. Light is Good.

    Tithing is alms already given. What is done with that tithing is not necessarily alms. And since the church does report some of its charitable work anf spending to the membership and public , the alms-in-secret-scripture doesn't seem to be a factor in hindering church financial transparency.
  5. Light is Good.

    It does show gospel principles being consistent with transparency.
  6. Light is Good.

    Yet it is support for transparency being consistent with the gospel.
  7. Light is Good.

    This is not about having a say, necessarily, but having a see.
  8. Light is Good.

    From the church website: Satan put it into the hearts of the people to form secret oaths and covenants, Hel. 6:21–31. The Lord worketh not in secret combinations, Ether 8:19. Nations that uphold secret combinations shall be destroyed, Ether 8:22–23. They did reject all the words of the prophets, because of their secret society, Ether 11:22. From the days of Cain, there was a secret combination, Moses 5:51
  9. Light is Good.

    Actually, godly stewards who care about and take seriously their work will often share the details of their doings to enhance outcomes and learn from each other.
  10. Light is Good.

    On the contrary, more than one in this thread don't feel that way. Anyways, from John 3, "19 And this is the condemnation, thatlight is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateththe light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
  11. Light is Good.

    ...but that really is a good point, Teancum. Thanks.
  12. Light is Good.

    That's fair. I'm accostumed to assuming polarised questions can and even need to be subverted.
  13. Light is Good.

    Yes, FAIR describes quite clearly how Joseph skillfully wordsmiths his way through accusations of polygamy and such. He was a born politician.
  14. Light is Good.

    It might apply, like what about publicising to the membership the councils of the Twelve over policy and doctrine, be it live or after the fact? I think such a thing could be good...the apostles could be modelling righteous disagreement to the church which could be extremely healthy.
  15. Light is Good.

    The question is polarising but anyone is free to give a less polarised, more nuanced, even qualified answer. If you look in the replies, you'll see that I did. I find that framing the question in the extremes helps to get the cerebral juices flowing sometimes. I agree with your answer.