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  1. Updates...

    Newsroom: COVID-19 and Its Impact on Latter-day Saints Around the World

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    UPDATED: March 9, 2020, 7:30 p.m. MDT

    Missionary Work

    All missionaries, regardless of where they are serving, have been reminded to follow basic preventative health practices to avoid illness. It is important to note that young missionaries are not generally considered to be at risk for serious complications from the coronavirus.

    Missionaries who remain in those countries where COVID-19 is of particular concern will take precautions to stay healthy, including staying in their apartments as much as possible, avoiding personal interaction with other people and teaching through phone calls or other technology. Mission Presidents are communicating with families to let them know of these precautions and keep them updated on local circumstances.

    The Church is taking steps to reduce the number of missionaries in areas where the virus is of particular concern. These steps will give mission presidents more flexibility to ensure missionaries are effective and safe and that there is adequate space to house missionaries if they are moved out of cities where there are greater concerns about infection.

    These steps apply to the following missions:

    • Cambodia Phnom Penh Mission
    • Italy Milan Mission
    • Japan Fukuoka Mission
    • Japan Kobe Mission
    • Japan Nagoya Mission
    • Japan Sapporo Mission
    • Japan Tokyo North Mission
    • Japan Tokyo South Mission
    • Korea Busan Mission
    • Korea Seoul Mission
    • Korea Seoul South Mission
    • Mongolia Ulaanbaatar Mission
    • Singapore Mission
    • Thailand Bangkok Mission

    Cambodia, Singapore, Thailand: All prospective missionaries preparing to serve in these missions or who come from those countries will either postpone their start date or receive a temporary assignment. Additionally, all missionaries serving in these missions who were nearing the end of their service have returned home early. All senior missionaries and any young missionaries with chronic health problems have also returned home or haven been temporarily reassigned to a mission in their home countries. Some senior missionaries will continue to support the mission remotely.

    Japan: All missionaries preparing to serve in Japan will either postpone their start date or receive new temporary assignments.

    Korea: All missionaries who are not native to Korea have left that country and returned home before departing for new temporary assignments in their home countries. This is in addition to those missionaries who were nearing the end of their service and those who had chronic health problems, who had already returned home early. All missionaries leaving the country had already been in self-isolation for some time and had avoided contact with others outside their apartments. Prospective missionaries preparing to serve in Korea or who come from that country will either postpone their start date or receive a temporary assignment.

    Mongolia: All missionaries who are not native to Mongolia have been temporarily transferred from that country. Those who are nearing their scheduled release date have returned home early, while the rest have received new temporary assignments.

    Each missionary who returns home will be asked to self-isolate for 14 days following instructions from the World Health Organization and the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

     

     

  2. 1 hour ago, snowflake said:

    Obviously you are clueless about people who concealed carry.

    I don't think we can make generalizations about all concealed carry permit holders.  I am sure plenty of them are responsible people, but some are kind of scary.   

    I know a number of responsible gun owners that have permits.  But at a place I used to work I knew of two individuals with permits who made me very nervous.  I don't know what the requirements are to get a permit here in Utah, but I would like to see them tightened up a bit.

  3. Reminds me of a poem:

     

    The Man He Killed

     
    "Had he and I but met 
                By some old ancient inn, 
    We should have sat us down to wet 
                Right many a nipperkin! 
     
                "But ranged as infantry, 
                And staring face to face, 
    I shot at him as he at me, 
                And killed him in his place. 
     
                "I shot him dead because — 
                Because he was my foe, 
    Just so: my foe of course he was; 
                That's clear enough; although 
     
                "He thought he'd 'list, perhaps, 
                Off-hand like — just as I — 
    Was out of work — had sold his traps — 
                No other reason why. 
     
                "Yes; quaint and curious war is! 
                You shoot a fellow down 
    You'd treat if met where any bar is, 
                Or help to half-a-crown." 
  4. 19 hours ago, carbon dioxide said:

    Lots of Millennials are joining a new religion. It used to be called the Church of global warming.  Then it became the church of climate change and now transitioning to the church of climate crisis. In this religion, fossil fuels is the devil and carbon taxes, government, and science is the savior. 

    User name checks out...

  5. 16 minutes ago, Burnside said:

    Duh!

     

    Now, whether there shall be one time, or a asecond time, or a third time, that men shall come forth from the dead, it mattereth not; for God bknoweth all these things; and it sufficeth me to know that this is the case—that there is a time appointed that all shall rise from the dead.

    The Book of Mormon does state that all will be resurrected.  And it doesn't matter if they are all resurrected at the same time or different times.

    9 minutes ago, Burnside said:

    Family / Temple / Sealing

    12 And as I partook of the fruit thereof it filled my soul with exceedingly great ajoy; wherefore, I began to be bdesirous that my family should partake of it also; for I knew that it was cdesirable above all other fruit.

    Behold, I give unto you apower, that whatsoever ye shall bsealon earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven; and thus shall ye have power among this people.

    And thus, if ye shall say unto this temple it shall be rent in twain, it shall be done.

    Yes, the Book of Mormon mentions families, temples and the word "seal".  But it does not talk about eternal families or temple marriage.

  6. 1 hour ago, snowflake said:

    Missing from the BOM, church presidency, quorum of the seventy, bishopric, no bishops, no stakes, no branches, no wards, no area presidency, polygamy is forbidden, no baptism for the dead.......should I go on? Are these the "fullness of the everlasting gospel"? 

    The BOM records the teachings of prophets over a period of hundreds of years.  Yet temple marriage and forever families are not even mentioned once.  There is no mention of the three degrees of glory. 

    Were the Nephites taught about these things?  What was it like to be a member of the church at this time?  Were they able to be sealed to their families?  If so, I would think this would have at least been mentioned in the writings of the prophets of the day.

  7. 2 hours ago, bluebell said:

    Hubby and I have  been watching the HBO miniseris Chernobyl and it has been so well done, really interesting, and also very sad.  It's about the Chernobyl disaster in Soviet Russia and how it came to happen and what was done about it, including the secrecy of communist russia that made everything really difficult.  I encourage anyone who is interested in history or disaster shows to watch if they are able.  It's TV-MA for the content of course, and sometimes there is language.  There has also been one episode with nudity but it was not at all sexual in nature. 

    I have been watching this as well and have been fascinated by it.  There is a companion podcast that I have been following as well.  It gives background information on the creation of the series by the writer and producer Craig Mazin.  

    The last episode is next Monday, so if you don't have HBO you can sign up for a free week of HBO NOW and watch the whole thing.

  8. 3 hours ago, mnn727 said:

    Buy the Tall tops, they never come untucked. I always have a 2 week supply and they almost never wear out. I've been endowed 26 years and I think I have ordered tops 3 times. Try doing that with BVD or Hanes.

    I think I may have seen you in the gym locker room...

  9. 6 hours ago, hope_for_things said:

    It makes sense to me from a pragmatic standpoint that the church gets out of the underwear business all together.  I think before they start allowing people to wear the garment just in the temple a kind of middle ground would be allowing people to mark their own store bought underwear, with the symbolic markings.  They've already gone away from stitching to just screen printing.  They've altered the original lengths and style significantly over the years to accommodate more modern fashion.  Why not just allow people to purchase their own underwear, stuff that fits well and feels good, and then have people mark it themselves, maybe they offer discreet little screen prints that you can apply with an iron or something. 

    This would also eliminate that whole garment producing industry, which I'm sure is a large expense for the church.  It would also put the power back in the hands of the people more, home centered and all.  They could also get rid of the reminders in temple recommend interviews about wearing the garment and it would gradually become a more individual and self administered idea, which I think over time would have less and less people worrying about the old tradition of garment wearing, and those myths around physical protection would fade into the background.  The idea of protection would be spiritual and not tied to the garment itself, but instead tied to the covenant people make and the way they live their lives, which is the whole point anyway.  

    There used to be a website where you could make your own garments, but it is gone now.  

    I found it in the internet archive:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20141204044411/http://makeyourgarments.com/

  10. 3 minutes ago, pe said:

    This could negatively impact me. If I ever get married I'd still want to marry in the temple and NOT get married civilly first.

    Why is that? 

    I believe that this could be a problem with the new policy.  People will be judged by self-righteous individuals as being less than if they choose a civil wedding over a temple wedding even though the church has officially said it is perfectly acceptable.  Because of this it will probably take time before civil weddings become the norm because of the stigma they have had.

         

     

  11. 18 minutes ago, clarkgoble said:

    The problem is that the "ideal" size of a ward really ebbs and flows. Then you have smaller areas of wards/branches where the size doesn't particularly represent much relative to the ideal. For instance the majority of wards/branches in Nova Scotia were quite small and given population outflows (young people moving to the cities) weren't apt to grow. 

    I understand ward/branches avoiding the problems of some of the other numbers, mind you. But I think they are problematic over time - particularly when big shifts in ward size happen. (Such as in Mexico and Europe the past year or two as you noted)

    I agree with you that tracking unit numbers doesn't tell us everything, but I believe it is the best metric we have compared to the other official numbers that are publicly available.

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    I understand ward/branches avoiding the problems of some of the other numbers, mind you. But I think they are problematic over time - particularly when big shifts in ward size happen. (Such as in Mexico and Europe the past year or two as you noted)

    Some of the recent changes (2 hour block and merging of HP quorums) may affect the minimum size of wards and branches in the future as well.  There are fewer lessons to be taught and fewer MP callings to fill.  This could lead to fewer units needing to be consolidated in the future as populations shift.

  12. On 4/6/2019 at 4:52 PM, rockpond said:

    Very little increase in the number of wards/branches... up just 0.10% from last year (ten year average was 0.9%).

    I think the number of wards/branches is usually the best indicator of growth of the number of active members.  However, because of the large consolidation of units in Mexico in 2018, this statistic is skewed.  2018 ended with 140 fewer units in Mexico than there were at the start of the year.  I believe that is likely a one-time event, so for 2019 we should see much bigger increase in units than the 30 for 2018.

     

  13. 12 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

    I know someone who wouldn’t go to the temple because they didn’t want to be with their spouse forever.  I’m not sure I do today either, but I’m a sinner anyway so I’m getting used to the cat plan 😂

    On my mission I had mixed responses when we taught about eternal marriage.  One man responded "Do I have to?" when we said he could be with his wife forever.  (She was sitting right next to him at the time.)

    A relative of mine told everyone before she died NOT to have her work done.  She did not want to ever see her abusive husband again.  Of course it was done anyway.

  14. 6 hours ago, Rivers said:

    Lifting of the priesthood ban was the last big “R” in my view.  That was a canonized while the 2015 policy was just a temporary inclusion in the handbook.  

    So it looks like the way we can tell if a revelation is big "R" or not is based on how long it lasts.  There was no mention of little "r" before the reversal came out that I noticed.  Is there a way to determine this when a revelation first comes out, or do we have to wait a few decades before we can categorize what type of revelation it is?

  15.  

    Does that sound like a revelation with a small “r”?

    11 minutes ago, Rivers said:

    Yes.

    Wow.  So what is the latest example of a Revelation with a Capital "R" in your view?  Has there been one in the last two decades?

     

  16. 59 minutes ago, Rivers said:

    Little "r" revelation. 

    This is the first time I have heard anyone refer to this revelation as being little "r".  Was anyone saying this before today's reversal?  Is there really any kind of doctrine that defines the difference between Capital "R" and Little "R" revelations?  

    President Nelson said that this was revelation from God to President Monson.  He stated that all of the First Presidency and Quorum of the twelve felt a confirmation of this.  If that isn't a Capital "R" Revelation then I don't know what is.

     

  17. 35 minutes ago, ALarson said:

    Then, they need to clarify what this statement means:

    "will be treated in the same way" is pretty clear.  How do you interpret it?

    It appears that the church would like us to think that they now treat homosexuals the same as heterosexuals.  This is clearly not the case.

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