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  1. The Church is growing so fast...

    This is true, but it was actually the Partridge sisters I believe.
  2. The Church is growing so fast...

    The word "several" was used, but that was because it was referring to the plural wives that Emma was aware of. I don't think they wanted to bring up the marriages that occurred without her knowledge.
  3. Were there actually eyewitnesses that saw Joseph translating with the Nephite interpreters? From what I understand the eyewitnesses only reported seeing the stone in the hat method. Who did Joseph allow to see the interpreters? I thought they remained hidden from view like the plates.
  4. Maybe there are some areas with sparse LDS populations where it is getting difficult to fully staff a temple. This would open up the pool of available temple workers where a sizable percentage of the worthy priesthood holders are already busy filling stake and ward/branch leadership roles. Just a guess...
  5. A General Authority excommunicated?

    Can you really get excommunicated for disillusionment? I have never heard of anyone being excommunicated because of disillusionment.
  6. Do church leaders ever do this? In my observation it is rare to hear an official message explicitly repealed. Instead we just stop hearing about it and it is slowly forgotten. Older members remember it but younger ones have never heard it. A generation or two passes and the quiet "repeal" is complete.
  7. I don't know where to find any original copies of each account. I was referring to a footnote in the History of the Church Volume 4 Chapter 32. It is a third (or maybe fourth) hand account decades after the fact so I can understand if some question how accurate it is: https://byustudies.byu.edu/content/volume-4-chapter-32
  8. I know you didn't ask me, but I thought I would throw in my two cents. I feel the priesthood essay on LDS.org was written in a way that supports multiple explanations for the ban. I think different people with different background and experiences can read the essay and come up with very different conclusions. A couple of weeks ago I listened to an episode of the Mormon FAIR-Cast where the leadership of the Genesis Group were interviewed. The way they interpreted the priesthood essay was that the priesthood and temple ban was not of God but something that Brigham Young put in place. I know that there are other people who read it get something entirely different out of it. Again, this was a couple of weeks ago and I don't remember the exact words that were said. But if you are interested in this topic I think this podcast offers interesting perspectives on this subject - perspectives that I don't often hear as an middle-aged white guy in Utah County.
  9. There is a similar quote in the BYU Studies amalgamated manuscript of the King Follett Discourse. I believe it is claimed that Joseph Smith disavowed this teaching before he died. https://byustudies.byu.edu/content/king-follett-discourse-newly-amalgamated-text
  10. I guess I should have explained myself better. I feel that it is entirely appropriate to use polite language when addressing deity. At the same time I dislike the idea that there are rigid rules that tell us that we need to use the language of a specific translation of the bible (KJV) or that there are specific pronouns that must be used in prayer. I think as the decades go by language evolves and clinging to old rules makes less and less sense to me. I think the language of prayer is a very personal matter. I see these sorts of teachings fading in the future.
  11. The talk that comes to mind when this subject is mentioned is by Elder Oaks 1993: https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1993/04/the-language-of-prayer?lang=eng It looks like the KJV bible is related to this. I feel that this is something that we should allow to fade into the past. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear about this from the pulpit again.
  12. Are cureloms imaginary?

    I agree that the Book of Mormon is referring to the Tower of Babel. Joseph Smith clearly believed this as well. In the Wentworth Letter Joseph Smith writes: Wentworth Letter contents can be found in the July 2002 Ensign here: https://www.lds.org/ensign/2002/07/the-wentworth-letter?lang=eng
  13. Same Sex Marriage Poll

    First, I want to change the question. Asking if we support same sex marriage because it is the law of the land is basically asking if we support the law of the land. A better question would be: "Do you think same sex marriage should be the law of the land?" My answer to that would be yes. I have a cousin that grew up as a gay teen in the 1970's. We are about the same age but I don't remember seeing him much growing up. I do remember in the early 1980's at a family reunion my aunts and uncles talking about whether he should be allowed to come to family reunions. The decision was made that he was not allowed to come. I remember having an uneasy feeling about that. I guess it is kind of obvious that he left the church. I can't really blame him for that. He has been with the same partner now for over 30 years. The attitudes of my extended family towards the situation have slowly changed over the decades. My cousin and his partner have both been showing up to family reunions for the last 10 years and they are both just as welcome as anyone else. When the law changed in Utah that allowed gay marriage, my cousin was elated. He and his partner dropped everything and got married that day. He sent us pictures in email. Many of the family that used to ban him from reunions in the past offered heart-felt congratulations to him and his new husband. Attitudes toward LGBT men and women have changed radically over my lifetime and I don't see the trend changing any time soon.
  14. According to CNN exit polls, the Mormon vote came in like this: Trump 56% Clinton 28% Other 16% So it was Trump over Clinton 2 to 1. I am not included in the 56%. http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls
  15. At the Intersection of Theology and Ideology

    This would describe me as well.
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