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  1. churchistrue

    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    Also, is it 16c or 17c? I thought we were targeting the time period after the finalizing of the KJV in early 1600's?
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    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    You asking me? If so, I don't understand the question.
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    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    Loose = Nephi to the 17c text Tight = from the 17c text to Joseph Is that what you mean? Using your theory, I call the loose part the translation and the tight part the dictation. I don't believe in the 17c thing or that the BOM is historical, but I make sense of the evidence of dictation as that the loose translation was Joseph in his brain. And the tight dictation was Joseph's brain to his mouth via the seerstone.
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    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    Champatsch, can you please answer. I first heard Dr. Skousen talk this way about this theory a few years ago at a conference at BYU, but I've never quite understood the position. If these elements reflect a 16c environment, do you view the BOM as historical? Do you view it as inspired midrash from 16c? Or do you view it as an Expansion Model kind of way, ie some sort of actual history that is expanded greatly through the translation process? How do you see the 16c environmental elements of secret combinations, burning at stake, doctrinal stuff, etc getting into the Book of Mormon?
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    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    Stanford, thanks for engaging here. I have a question about your theory. I first heard Dr. Skousen talk this way about this theory a few years ago at a conference at BYU, but I've never quite understood the position. If these elements reflect a 16c environment, do you view the BOM as historical? Do you view it as inspired midrash from 16c? Or do you view it as an Expansion Model kind of way, ie some sort of actual history that is expanded greatly through the translation process? How do you see the 16c environmental elements of secret combinations, burning at stake, doctrinal stuff, etc getting into the Book of Mormon?
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    JST as the Brass Plates

    I just saw there was a KnowWhy on this topic from earlier this year. https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/content/how-lehi-likened-the-scriptures-to-himself Why didn't I know this before? grrrr I hate it when I don't know stuff. Was this intertextuality in Grant Hardy's book? I have my copy loaned out right now. I have to say this is one of the sketchiest Know Why's I've read. Some of Book of Central stuff I like. Some of it I think has the potential to do more harm than good. This is one. We really hurt our credibility when we make outlandish statements like:
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    JST as the Brass Plates

    Nice. Did you make this find or read it somewhere else? I skimmed the Interpreter article and didn't see this.
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    JST as the Brass Plates

    Now we have it at The Interpreter I guess. Doesn't Interpreter have a peer review process?
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    Jeff Robinson on the LGBT issue at FairMormon

    Seems like it's an important component, because Jeff seems to identify general sexual addiction/compulsivity issues as the most common reason that a gay person couldn't be reformed, ie marry heterosexually and be successful at it.
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    Jeff Robinson on the LGBT issue at FairMormon

    Are you talking about 2% as in of the total population? or 2% of the already small (3-5%?) subset of total population that identifies as gay?
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    JST as the Brass Plates

    http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/thou-art-the-fruit-of-my-loins-the-interrelated-symbolism-and-meanings-of-the-names-joseph-and-ephraim-in-ancient-scripture/ In this article Matthew Bowen and Loren Spendlove are referencing a phrase from a JST passage of Genesis and claiming that Lehi had access to it through the brass plates. They then in a chart show phrases in the BOM along with the source which is the Brass Plates. This is the phrase "fruit of thy loins", from the JST. Ignoring this specific phrase, I'm interested in a larger question. Is this common to view the JST as a restoration of the Brass Plates? I've never heard of this. Is it common to look for intertextuality of BOM and JST and assume this is Brass Plates thing?
  12. Not surprising. The whole thing definitely had a "there's way more to the story" vibe. Dumb that people bought into it at all.
  13. Probably a slow news period, but I think PFS is probably following the blogosphere, Exmo Reddit, social media accounts of John Dehlin and other main people in the Progmo-Exmo world, and this was a story that got a lot of noise over the past couple weeks. This story has been particularly annoying to me. It seems to be a remote, isolated incident where there's probably a dumb, local bishop and also I'm sure there's more to the story. This is not a global LDS issue. Dumb.
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    Jeff Robinson on the LGBT issue at FairMormon

    It's a critical scientific data point that will drive church policy, imho. If scientific and empirical evidence suggests that our gay youth should attempt to "overcome" their same sex attraction and marry heterosexually, then I think there is no reason to expect change in church policy or doctrine through revelation. But if evidence suggests otherwise, I think this new information will lead to revelation and change. Every year we have about a thousand or so gay missionaries return home from honorable missions and usually about then come to terms with their sexual orientation and decide what to do. They need a default answer. Marry heterosexually or stay celibate. And I don't think stay celibate is a charitable or doctrinally correct expectation for them.
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    Jeff Robinson on the LGBT issue at FairMormon

    I could be misunderstanding. I'd like to hear what others thought. I think I heard him say that sexual orientation is not binary. And very few of the thousands or so of gay men he's treated had zero sexual attraction to women and an inability to successfully navigate a sexual and romantic relationship with a woman.
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