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    Temple Recommend Questions

    A TR interview is for the purpose of getting a TR. ie if the answer is no, the person probably wouldn't come for the interview, so the bishop is expecting a yes answer. With that expectation, most likely the bishop or stake prez would probe the answer, trying to coach the person to change the answer to get the recommend. For example, "no" to question "do you keep the law of chastity?" No? OK, how are you not keeping the law of chastity, do you have something to repent of? Well, I have impure thoughts. Is that it? Yes. Well, that doesn't keep you from being unworthy from the temple? Are you sure? I feel really guilty. Yes, I'm sure. You're normal. If you're not acting on those thoughts, you're fine. OK, then, I guess it's a yes. If the interview candidate is adamant about the no answer or if the clarifying questions bring out detail that would cause the bishop to agree with the candidate that they aren't fit for TR, then they would not give the recommend.
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    Skousen & Carmack Lecture Take Aways

    Great thread. Thanks to Stanford and everyone else for participating. I'm obsessed about BOM origination theories again. Thanks (or no thanks) to the BOM conference up in Logan last weekend and discussions like this one. I think it's truly one of the biggest mysteries of my life. My best guess: Joseph had a powerful theophany in his teens where he felt inspired to write the Book of Mormon. Ideas were swimming in his head from that time and on. He used the seer stone to develop these ideas and produce some initial texts and drafts. It was communicated to Oliver what he was doing, and Oliver had a similar theophany and also started writing on the text of the Book of Mormon. When Oliver met Joseph, they both had copious notes and partial drafts that they shared together and then hammered it out together. Joseph started out allowing Oliver to use most of his stuff, but he didn't like the ending, and he started dominating the writing process midway. This piece is important to me because it explains the "L Voice" concept I've pointed out. https://wheatandtares.org/2018/02/22/bom-wordprint-analysis-review/ The EModE stuff is most likely a combination of purposefully trying to sound like the Bible and/or a product of the oral back woods language being remnant of EModE. The first hand accounts of him dictating were either to convince others of the supernatural aspect of the production of the book or it was Joseph's final check to determine if they had the book right, before copying out the text to become the manuscript. Emma and Oliver were in on the "making of the sausage", but they felt part of an inspired process and so they never revealed this process. The Book of Mormon is inspired scripture.
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    Are natural disasters on the rise, and a sign of the time?

    I imagine data on this is readily available.
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    Nick Frederick on New Testament -- BOM intertextuality

    Are you suggesting they are all paralelomania type hits? Or that that they have a common Old Testament source? Frederick started with 1800 phrases and narrowed down to 650 he felt were direct intertextuality with the KJV as antecedent. He gives his methodology and criteria for eliminating false hits. Seems pretty convincing.
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    Nick Frederick on New Testament -- BOM intertextuality

    Thanks for the heads up on the video. I found it.
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    D-News Reports 63,500 Missionaries Are Serving

    Yeah. I bet sisters up, elders down.
  7. What a fascinating podcast interview Laura Hales with Nick Frederick. http://www.ldsperspectives.com/2018/08/22/intertextuality-book-mormon/ This is a topic I am keenly interested in and write about a lot, so I wrote up a blog post on it. http://www.churchistrue.com/blog/nick-frederick-new-testament-in-the-book-of-mormon/ A few points: --Dr. Frederick has identified 650 intertextual phrases between BOM and the King James New Testament --he thinks the key to making sense of this with respect to historicity, is to imagine the Gold Plates and the English Book of Mormon as two different texts, implying very liberally applied Expansion Model I assume --he makes some very interesting doctrinal extrapolations and scriptural insights by looking at the intertextuality and determining what the Book of Mormon is wanting us to understand from the Bible I think this could be hard for some LDS to deal with, but I assume this crowd is pretty OK with it.
  8. I don't like it. I'd like equal treatment on this for girls and boys.
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    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    Not sure. And I'm not sure if the issue is that really they're biased and manipulating the data or that you're completely misunderstanding them and using their study to make assertions they never would. If you read my blog post I linked earlier, then you would understand what I mean. If you don't understand it, then you probably are not equipped to talk about stylometry studies and what they mean to BOM authenticity.
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    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    Also, is it 16c or 17c? I thought we were targeting the time period after the finalizing of the KJV in early 1600's?
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    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    You asking me? If so, I don't understand the question.
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    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    Loose = Nephi to the 17c text Tight = from the 17c text to Joseph Is that what you mean? Using your theory, I call the loose part the translation and the tight part the dictation. I don't believe in the 17c thing or that the BOM is historical, but I make sense of the evidence of dictation as that the loose translation was Joseph in his brain. And the tight dictation was Joseph's brain to his mouth via the seerstone.
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    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    Champatsch, can you please answer. I first heard Dr. Skousen talk this way about this theory a few years ago at a conference at BYU, but I've never quite understood the position. If these elements reflect a 16c environment, do you view the BOM as historical? Do you view it as inspired midrash from 16c? Or do you view it as an Expansion Model kind of way, ie some sort of actual history that is expanded greatly through the translation process? How do you see the 16c environmental elements of secret combinations, burning at stake, doctrinal stuff, etc getting into the Book of Mormon?
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    The State of Mormon Apologetics

    Stanford, thanks for engaging here. I have a question about your theory. I first heard Dr. Skousen talk this way about this theory a few years ago at a conference at BYU, but I've never quite understood the position. If these elements reflect a 16c environment, do you view the BOM as historical? Do you view it as inspired midrash from 16c? Or do you view it as an Expansion Model kind of way, ie some sort of actual history that is expanded greatly through the translation process? How do you see the 16c environmental elements of secret combinations, burning at stake, doctrinal stuff, etc getting into the Book of Mormon?
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