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  1. If they got super creative they could pay to have those 70 videos pop up when people search the top 100 p**** search words. That would be something
  2. This is super interesting. Like you, I don't "require" apologies from others. I figure, if I have to try to elicit an apology it won't really mean much. BUT... You don't give apologies? You never say your sorry? You don't express regret if you've done something wrong, or hurt someone, even if unintentionally? I find that extremely unusual and I can't understand why, as a matter of personal policy you would refuse to offer apologies when one is warranted. Can you help me understand the thinking on that? Also, how do you not "receive" apologies. If someone offers an apology to you for something they have said or done that caused some measure of pain or harm, would you tell them you don't accept the apology? If so, why? It seems very rude, and I can't conceive of a good reason why, as a matter of personal policy you would refuse to accept ("receive") the heartfelt apology from another person. Can you help me understand that? OR am I just totally misunderstanding what you are saying here?
  3. No. I don't think surrounding ourselves with people who view us negatively is a part of life.
  4. Ironically, in the early days of the church I don't think the legality of divorces was much of an issue. If the marriage was abandoned by one partner, I think they were considered divorced and one could marry another person. Of course communication and travel have improved a bit since then. I think it's an interesting question about allowing polygamy in countries where it's legal. The legal issue clearly drove the church towards its current policy so it doesn't really seem to be a moral issue, but rather a policy/legalistic one for the church.
  5. I was good friends with a guy who worked in the temple construction department. He used to tell all kinds of stories about the rules for workers and the precision required. The church really does expect the best and if the work doesn't meet their standards they will not hesitate to have the contractor fix it, even if it seems minor, or even if it requires a ton of work. I think construction companies of the caliber that would work on a temple are accustomed to high standards and are able to accommodate the requirements well, but sometimes there's a little bit of a learning curve.
  6. In the era of Trump I see P**** I think something else I have an immediate reaction when the church talks about this subject though, and it's not positive. It seemed to be the most important issue in the world for so many years I really got burned out on 10 talks about p**** every conference so now i just tune them out. The church teaches it's bad. Got it. I don't need 70 videos about it.
  7. And this is the other point of the OP. When someone leaves it really does hurt their believing family and friends because of the eternal consequences they expect. So, those who leave feel hurt by those who stay AND, those who stay feel hurt by those who leave. Finding better ways to discuss these things, and recognizing ways in which each side is triggered, may be helpful in reducing the hurt.
  8. I wasn't trying to get personal. I only use your example (that you freely shared) because it illustrates the point of the post. IMO people often feel they are very loving of their family members or friends who leave the church, yet it is obvious to everyone (including the person who left) that the love has conditions. People know that others are talking about them. They know that they are used as cautionary tails. They know others feel deep disappointment. Why would it be any surprise that this person would pull away from interaction with members or the church as a whole? Why would anyone want to be around people who pity them or are constantly disappointed. It doesn't feel loving to that person so they are most likely to stay away, and yes, that hurts relationships.
  9. I once asked a lady I worked with this question and she stared at me with puzzlement. She'd never considered it and didn't have an answer. "If Jesus was resurrected, does he still have a body?" She ultimately admitted she didn't know. "When we are resurrected will we always have that resurrected body?" She didn't know. I was really trying to understand when I asked the question and I didn't mind at all that she didn't know, but what I did mind is that even though she didn't know what she believed, she knew I was wrong and most likely going to hell She was a Baptist, but also a modalist, I think, even if modalism isn't officially the teaching or doctrine. I've sat in many Baptist, Methodist church meetings and I hear pastors teach modalism. Perhaps its the fall back because it's easier to understand. But I really think that most/many American Christians of various denominations really do believe in modalism. *This is such an interesting topic. Thanks all, for the conversation. (especially those with better Trinitarian understanding- which is most of you )
  10. 3DOP- Thank you. I certainly didn't want to misrepresent other faiths. Honestly, I don't understand how the trinity works. I've never heard it explained in a comprehensible (to me) way so I guess I just glom on to the only way it can make sense to me. For example this makes no sense to me, at least insofar as other Christians claim to be monotheistic. "God from God" doesn't really mean anything to me. It sounds like a platitude designed to hide the fact that no one knows how God(s) really work or exist. If they are eternally distinct, then they must be 2 separate God's right? Is the Holy Spirit also a distinct God? I don't think that it would fly in most Christian denominations if I described their faith in God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as a belief in 3 different Gods. Can you help understand this better? Claiming the Godhead as 3 distinct Gods is where other Christians take great exception with LDS theology but it sounds like you're claiming the same thing, but I doubt that's what you're really saying.
  11. Wow! Talk about a harsh and accusatory way to respond to a question. Can you honestly not accept that there could be more than one interpretation of scripture? Of course you have your own interpretation, but others will have their interpretations as well, hence the opportunity for discussion. Miserenobis asked a fair question so I'm not sure why you're so defensive about it. Why accuse him of asking a question in bad faith? People who have been members their whole lives ask all kinds of questions so it seems reasonable to allow a non-lds participant to ask questions as well. Don't you think? BTW- if you think your kind of reaction is a defense of faith I'd ask you to reconsider
  12. Yeah, I'm quite familiar with El. But El Elyon?...nope. It's always fun to learn new stuff.
  13. I know a couple of men who still do. They are quite proud of it. They view it as an even greater protection against sxual sin because it makes access more difficult. I was part of a disciplinary council for a young man who was sent home from his mission for immorality. The bishop I was serving with at the time made a comment like "if he was wearing the one piece like I do he wouldn't have had that problem". Personally, I don't agree, but then again, maybe he has a point
  14. Am I the only one here who has never heard of El Elyon?
  15. I suspect it's because when Jesus prayed he prayed to the Father and the church teaches that we should follow Jesus' example. Also, LDS theology is a bit different than most other Christian denominations in that the church teaches that Jesus is the literal Son of God, a God distinct and separate from God the Father. Other denominations (as far as I understand) teach and believe that Jesus IS God the Father come down to earth. IOW the church and other Christian churches have fundamental difference in understanding and theology related to the nature of who God is.
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