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  1. Religion is not a valid litmus test for SCOTUS, but citizenship is. He is a Roman citizen, not a US citizen. Although not a requirement enumerated in the constitution it strikes me as a valid point that the Democrats (and Republicans) would raise.
  2. And the Affirmative team will only define the terms that will get them in hot water with the "topicality" term. One of the ways to lose a debate on the affirmative is for the negative to show that you are not on topic (topicality). So those definitions can backfire because it tells the negative team where to aim the topicality briefs at. A well argued T position takes 30 seconds for a negative team to read (with all the hooks to win it) and usually longer for the aff to deal with, you waste their time becuase they must deal with the Topicality or lose the debate before its merits are even considered. I won my first tournoment because in the final the Aff ran a slightly off topic case, I said it wasn't topical, they said it was "topical by effect", I rebutted "Topical by effect isn't topical," The rebutted with "See our previous argument" and lost. So agreeing on terms, although boring to watch, can be a key in winning and losing a judged event. The same goes with apologetics, if you can mire the debate in definitions the first arguer must spend time talking about things other than their core message. If you don't have time pressure or requirements for objectivity you may be better off ignoring such definition debates so you can get to your core message.
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    2 hour block

    Our stake replaced Road Show with "Play in a Day" - 7pm Friday you get your "For Strength of Youth" theme and a Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks movie (and everyone has to incorperate a line and a prop, like a "pinapple" and "Hey, those were my tater tots!"), and 7pm the next you had to perform a 15 minute adaptation of that movie that revolved around the theme. Our ward had the priests/laurels write the script Friday night and Saturday morning the rest of the Youth and leaders gather to do parts, music, props, costuming, and practice. Scratches the thespian itch while keeping commitments reasonable.
  4. Rather than facilitating a 2 hour block I feel this is the lead up to re-tooling or re-launching the Family Home Evening program. I've never been good about the old style program, I felt that if we weren't basically running another hour of church/scouts (with the forma opening and closing prayers, prepared lesson, snack, and activity) it wasn't really "FHE." Never mind the fact we spend almost every evening meal together and talk about church stuff when it naturally comes up in conversations. More principle based instead of practice based perhaps?
  5. I don't think it will be a required part of the program, but will be in a list of things you could do, such as a "build stuff" and/or a "do stuff with your Dad" category. I would expect it will have broad categories of activities like the YW and current teacher/priest program. And it will be an example of what could be done rather than a quasi-requirement that it must be done (like the blue & gold banquet, yuck). There is also generations of tradition in that specific experience that many fathers have fond memories of doing it as a child, and would want to share it with their sons. Hobby Lobby sells non-BSA approved pine block cars and parts so there is a market for it. We even did it at a family reunion once too. If wards don't value the derby, they won't do it. But the BSA does not have ownership of the derby. It's not like leaving the BSA means we lose all our traditions.
  6. I'm sure there will be camping, and outdoors, and hiking, and basketball. But not as a gating requirement like camping was for Boy Scouts. I expect it to look like a merger of what the YW and current teacher/priest program is, focused on key areas with activity ideas around each area. But not "Deacons camp overnight, Teachers backpack, and Priests build their own raft for a river trip" level of prescriptiveness. And totally able to be all Youth driven, where in advanced cases the leaders are taxis to the church and there to unlock and lock the doors. And I'm sure "Pine block car races" will be part of the boys program.
  7. Can we move the discussion about an Apostle's historical business dealings to a new thread please? Especially since it has devolved to CFRing. This thread should be about the church and scouting.
  8. I think this change can be good for both the BSA and the church if we let it. For a while the BSA has been doubling down on the outdoor aspects of it's program. From simple branding ("Outing is part of Scouting" as in outdoors) to structural changes. A few years ago they doubled the number of campouts needed to get to first class before rolling it back a bit to deal with our EYO program (I expect this to be rolled back to 6 by 2020). They also in 2012 changed the camping merit badges to require the 20 nights of camping to be at BSA events, i.e. no more back yard two week eagle pushes. The program has also been getting more expensive. Cub scout awards changed to more expensive belt loops and they keep updating books every few years. Another huge different is the way the scout meetings operate. Outside the church troop meetings are run by a senior patrol leader who is 15-17 years old leading all the scouts. Adult leaders really do step back and let the boys lead. New scouts see patrol leadership modeled by teacher/priest age scouts rather than advisors and age peers. That and the functioning scout committee are the biggest differences between civic scouts and LDS scouts that cause a lot of tension. Financially this will have a huge positive impact in ward budgets once fully implemented. Many units with large primaries and youth programs see an outsize part of the budget (compared to activity days and YW) go to just scout awards, before even considering the cost of the constant camping. Leaving scouting won't preclude us from going camping, starting campfires, playing with sharp things, tying ropes, or even selling popcorn. I see it as being more inclusive. There are several Deacons in my ward who don't come to weeknight activities if it involves wearing a scout shirt or doing rank advancement, They are always there for joint activities and non-merit badge nights. As for the changes in 2020, I think we may see some real bold changes. We may see 50+ year traditions like 2 year class/quorum divisions and the office of teacher (or even deacon!) being retired. We could see size based cohorts instead of age based cohorts. It could be anything.
  9. revelstoked

    Reorganization of the Melchizedek Priesthood

    I don't think the law of tithing is a lesser law. The United Order was needed to bootstrap early church communities when some families didn't need to travel far and others needed to sell all they had to arrive. The law of tithing is more of a "steady state" solution to maintain an already established church. See this article, between footnotes 13 and 14: https://history.lds.org/article/the-tithing-of-my-people?lang=eng
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    I expect that in two or five years. The church renews it's commitment in 3 year blocks. That depends on how well the priests and teachers YM programming goes. If it goes well, two years, if not, 5 years.
  11. revelstoked

    Reorganization of the Melchizedek Priesthood

    I think finance falls under "administering all temporal things." Bishops already have clerks and usually a clerk assigned just to finance. They prep all the reports and balance all the books but the bishop still must sign all accounting paperwork in the end. I think this is also why the church doesn't do "standard" audits (like a publicly traded company would do). For ward level spending the Bishop's authority alone is sufficient for most kinds of spending. There are some controls in modern accounting that require two or more authorizations for some spending that is limited to a single point of authority by scripture. But there may be wiggle room.
  12. revelstoked

    Reorganization of the Melchizedek Priesthood

    D&C 107:68-76 has a good summary. Basically, no, a bishop cannot delegate the confession of sins. Anyone with that authority would be a bishop. And I would not want multiple bishops in a ward. Leadership roulette is bad enough with one per ward.
  13. A point of comparison may be the Boston Archdiocese case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_archdiocese_of_Boston) - many of the abuses came to a head in the 80's. The question is has the Church been paying attention to these cases and putting safeguards in place. I've seen changes: men must be two deep in primary (women don't), and leaders are always 2 deep in nursery and cub scouts (but scouts is a BSA thing... that changed in the early 90s). Also, windows on primary classroom doors. I would expect that if this case went to trial policy changes within the church and training changes to bishops since the '80s will be pointed out. Also, don't forget this will most likely be a jury in Utah. I doubt the defense will be able to strike jurors based on religious affiliation or opinion.
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