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    Notations on Records about Callings

    The only two notations I am aware of translate basically to "no youth/primary callings" and "this individual has been re-baptized but has not had priesthood/temple blessings restored." There may be more (such as a "no finance access") but the pattern I've seen is that unless it causes actionable or constrains actions by the bishop or stake presidency there won't be a formal notation. Simply being bad at your calling won't elicit a notation, unless it involves money. And when someone with a notation enters the ward the bishop gets direct contact from SLC (by letter) stating what the notation means calling and activity wise (the one for those returning from an ex-communication is not an obvious one at first). If you had a notation on your record you would not be surprised by it's presence, they are not easy to acquire.
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    Denson's Lawsuit Dismissed by Federal Judge

    Except, IIRC, the Bishop didn't actually notify the ward specifically who was excommunicated and why, but instead spoke in generalities. This was to protect the children of the involved and also to prevent the one spouse who had no fault in that situation from public embarrassment (at their request).
  3. While service missions have been a thing it seems that they have been more of the exception. A way to accommodate physical constraints, neurodiversity, or mental health issues. The vibe I got from the post is a full church wide rollout that a service mission is just as good as a teaching mission is on its way. Having that pointed out from the pulpit from the conference center I think is needed for the full cultural pivot that a service mission is some sort of a consolation prize (it isn't, it is the same prize).
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    Are More People Leaving the Church: Study

    I'm in the cohort. When you ask my cohort to "search and ponder" search means go to Google and then think about what you found. We are much more likely to exchange notes about our leadership experiences with relative strangers from other wards/stakes. That feeds into others accounts and so because of the behavior of one leader in an area you are nowhere near now you see the instances where men fail, and project it on the church as a whole.
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    Sacrament shooting

    For reference here is the current church-wide policy (handbook 2, section 21.2.4) I was in a previous ward where a church shooting (non-lds) had happened and the stake presidents in the area did a full security assessment. There was a discussion of who might be allowed to concealed carry at church and the conclusion was only active service police officers should. There were other members of the ward who wanted to (and who had licenses) but were not in law enforcement but the direct request was for them not to. There is more to security than simply being able to safely handle and fire a weapon. There is situational training and experience in knowing when and how to act or not act to resolve a situation, because the wrong actions make make it worse.
  6. Religion is not a valid litmus test for SCOTUS, but citizenship is. He is a Roman citizen, not a US citizen. Although not a requirement enumerated in the constitution it strikes me as a valid point that the Democrats (and Republicans) would raise.
  7. And the Affirmative team will only define the terms that will get them in hot water with the "topicality" term. One of the ways to lose a debate on the affirmative is for the negative to show that you are not on topic (topicality). So those definitions can backfire because it tells the negative team where to aim the topicality briefs at. A well argued T position takes 30 seconds for a negative team to read (with all the hooks to win it) and usually longer for the aff to deal with, you waste their time becuase they must deal with the Topicality or lose the debate before its merits are even considered. I won my first tournoment because in the final the Aff ran a slightly off topic case, I said it wasn't topical, they said it was "topical by effect", I rebutted "Topical by effect isn't topical," The rebutted with "See our previous argument" and lost. So agreeing on terms, although boring to watch, can be a key in winning and losing a judged event. The same goes with apologetics, if you can mire the debate in definitions the first arguer must spend time talking about things other than their core message. If you don't have time pressure or requirements for objectivity you may be better off ignoring such definition debates so you can get to your core message.
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    2 hour block

    Our stake replaced Road Show with "Play in a Day" - 7pm Friday you get your "For Strength of Youth" theme and a Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks movie (and everyone has to incorperate a line and a prop, like a "pinapple" and "Hey, those were my tater tots!"), and 7pm the next you had to perform a 15 minute adaptation of that movie that revolved around the theme. Our ward had the priests/laurels write the script Friday night and Saturday morning the rest of the Youth and leaders gather to do parts, music, props, costuming, and practice. Scratches the thespian itch while keeping commitments reasonable.
  9. Rather than facilitating a 2 hour block I feel this is the lead up to re-tooling or re-launching the Family Home Evening program. I've never been good about the old style program, I felt that if we weren't basically running another hour of church/scouts (with the forma opening and closing prayers, prepared lesson, snack, and activity) it wasn't really "FHE." Never mind the fact we spend almost every evening meal together and talk about church stuff when it naturally comes up in conversations. More principle based instead of practice based perhaps?
  10. I don't think it will be a required part of the program, but will be in a list of things you could do, such as a "build stuff" and/or a "do stuff with your Dad" category. I would expect it will have broad categories of activities like the YW and current teacher/priest program. And it will be an example of what could be done rather than a quasi-requirement that it must be done (like the blue & gold banquet, yuck). There is also generations of tradition in that specific experience that many fathers have fond memories of doing it as a child, and would want to share it with their sons. Hobby Lobby sells non-BSA approved pine block cars and parts so there is a market for it. We even did it at a family reunion once too. If wards don't value the derby, they won't do it. But the BSA does not have ownership of the derby. It's not like leaving the BSA means we lose all our traditions.
  11. I'm sure there will be camping, and outdoors, and hiking, and basketball. But not as a gating requirement like camping was for Boy Scouts. I expect it to look like a merger of what the YW and current teacher/priest program is, focused on key areas with activity ideas around each area. But not "Deacons camp overnight, Teachers backpack, and Priests build their own raft for a river trip" level of prescriptiveness. And totally able to be all Youth driven, where in advanced cases the leaders are taxis to the church and there to unlock and lock the doors. And I'm sure "Pine block car races" will be part of the boys program.
  12. Can we move the discussion about an Apostle's historical business dealings to a new thread please? Especially since it has devolved to CFRing. This thread should be about the church and scouting.
  13. I think this change can be good for both the BSA and the church if we let it. For a while the BSA has been doubling down on the outdoor aspects of it's program. From simple branding ("Outing is part of Scouting" as in outdoors) to structural changes. A few years ago they doubled the number of campouts needed to get to first class before rolling it back a bit to deal with our EYO program (I expect this to be rolled back to 6 by 2020). They also in 2012 changed the camping merit badges to require the 20 nights of camping to be at BSA events, i.e. no more back yard two week eagle pushes. The program has also been getting more expensive. Cub scout awards changed to more expensive belt loops and they keep updating books every few years. Another huge different is the way the scout meetings operate. Outside the church troop meetings are run by a senior patrol leader who is 15-17 years old leading all the scouts. Adult leaders really do step back and let the boys lead. New scouts see patrol leadership modeled by teacher/priest age scouts rather than advisors and age peers. That and the functioning scout committee are the biggest differences between civic scouts and LDS scouts that cause a lot of tension. Financially this will have a huge positive impact in ward budgets once fully implemented. Many units with large primaries and youth programs see an outsize part of the budget (compared to activity days and YW) go to just scout awards, before even considering the cost of the constant camping. Leaving scouting won't preclude us from going camping, starting campfires, playing with sharp things, tying ropes, or even selling popcorn. I see it as being more inclusive. There are several Deacons in my ward who don't come to weeknight activities if it involves wearing a scout shirt or doing rank advancement, They are always there for joint activities and non-merit badge nights. As for the changes in 2020, I think we may see some real bold changes. We may see 50+ year traditions like 2 year class/quorum divisions and the office of teacher (or even deacon!) being retired. We could see size based cohorts instead of age based cohorts. It could be anything.
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    Reorganization of the Melchizedek Priesthood

    I don't think the law of tithing is a lesser law. The United Order was needed to bootstrap early church communities when some families didn't need to travel far and others needed to sell all they had to arrive. The law of tithing is more of a "steady state" solution to maintain an already established church. See this article, between footnotes 13 and 14: https://history.lds.org/article/the-tithing-of-my-people?lang=eng
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