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  1. The church has made many changes to policies to protect children in the last few years. The two deep policy is a welcome change. The option for parents to be in youth interviews was needed. I quibble with youth being assigned to a ministering partnership. It’s not an exception, I feel, that protects youth from predators. There is no longer any reason to naively believe we can identify a predator before they cause harm. The Houston Chronicle has a major investigative story into the Southern Baptist Church. They have no “central database” to screen pastors and volunteers. ”"It's a perfect profession for a con artist, because all he has to do is talk a good talk and convince people that he's been called by God, and bingo, he gets to be a Southern Baptist minister," said Brown, who lives in Colorado. "Then he can infiltrate the entirety of the SBC, move from church to church, from state to state, go to bigger churches and more prominent churches where he has more influence and power, and it all starts in some small church. https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php So, as a church, are we doing enough? Is there anything else we should be doing to protect kids?
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    Mike Stroud anyone?

    Within that thread is linked this document about what Mike Stroud is teaching. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XItg5uozuqAfP_mxD91nuf6tlwOMwkWP9lAgDpcwoPY/mobilebasic?fbclid=IwAR0jXUIoAx78kLnBrLVsUn4A7OA4e5TcLEkEqaEtTFHuPnMHQSRc-iK8qzs I have family who listen faithfully to this guy. This makes me more concerned.
  3. Church discipline is a tough topic. Repentence vs accountability vs protecting future victims vs forgiveness vs manipulation vs upholding the good name of the church vs Bishop roulette vs ministering to the perpetrator vs disciplining the perpetrator vs expert liars vs repentant sinners vs believing victims...I could go on. It is a hot mess.
  4. Mormon Women for Ethical Government (MWEG) did not produce a statement standing up for pro-life policies. They had a statement on the government shutdown but stayed silent on the abortion debates happening in many states. Disappointing.
  5. Well, it is clear where you stand on this. Abortion=lying, adultery and fornication. Ok
  6. Well, now they’re broad enough for a planned parenthood employee to terminate a late term pregnancy ( viable baby) because of nausea or anxiety. It is immoral.
  7. It's no longer a physician so that is inaccurate.
  8. Yes, when it comes to abortion, a thousand times YES!
  9. The key words are “or” and “health” Or means fetal viability can be Ignored if the “health” of the mother is a factor. In Doe vs Bolton, the court defined health as, “Whether, in the words of the Georgia statute, "an abortion is necessary" is a professional judgment that the Georgia physician will be called upon to make routinely. We agree with the District Court, 319 F. Supp., at 1058, that the medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors - physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age - relevant to the well-being of the patient. All these factors may relate to health.” In the Teen Vogue article, the woman had an abortion at 28 weeks because she wasn’t ready to have a baby. Her PCOS and irritable bowel syndrome are definitely not left threatening during pregnancy nor cause any serious complications. One other item from your quote, a doctor is no longer required to make these judgements. It can be anyone authorized by the state even in the 3rd trimester. That does not sound safe for the mothers.
  10. And in all these scenarios, what was done was to save the life of the mother. These new laws go much further than that and for all intents and purposes, allow abortion up to birth without any regard for fetal viability and do not require the life of the mother to be in jeopardy.
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    Last Movie You Watched

    I remembered disliking Unbreakable the first time I saw it but rewatched and enjoyed it more the 2nd time. I did enjoy Glass. It was different.
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    Last Movie You Watched

    Glass should not be watched if you haven’t seen the other two. Did you like it?
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    LDSSA kicked-Off U of Iowa campus

    The judge reinforced that her decision should not be viewed in that context. Rose's decision said while she suspects some will portray the case "as a fundamental conflict between nondiscrimination laws and religious liberty," that "overinflates" the issue that was before the court.
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    LDSSA kicked-Off U of Iowa campus

    They are trying but when the Business Leaders for Christ was kicked out, most of the student groups on campus were not compliant with the schools policy. https://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/education/judge-sides-with-university-of-iowa-student-group-accused-of-discrimination-business-leaders-in-christ-blinc-20180717 "The student group accused the UI of, among other things, discrimination for unequally enforcing its policy. It noted that other UI groups also limit leadership and even membership in some cases to those who agree with their ideology or religious beliefs. BLinC has pointed to the UI student group Imam Mahdi as one that reserves leadership posts for Shia Muslims. The university has said student organization membership should be open to anyone, regardless of race, creed, color, religion, national origin, age, sex, gender identity or other protected class. But a recent UI review of how it administers its human rights policy found just 157 of 513 student organizations were in compliance by having the full and correct human rights clause in their constitutions. More than 350 groups were out of compliance, according to the review, which was part of the court record."
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    LDSSA kicked-Off U of Iowa campus

    Maybe, but the school got in trouble for It wasn't the policy, but that they enforced unevenly. If they held all groups to the same standards, the ruling could have gone the other way.
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    Last Movie You Watched

    I saw Glass. If you like Unbreakable and Split, you will, most likely like this one too.
  17. Two articles I read today. http://thefederalist.com/2019/02/11/babies-slated-late-term-abortion-instead-delivered-alive/ A law protecting the life of viable fetuses. And an Teen Vogue article referenced in the first article. https://www.teenvogue.com/story/what-it-was-like-to-get-a-later-abortion "What our country needs is the Deliver-Alive Human Being Protection Act: A law that unequivocally protects fetuses once they reach the gestational age at which they are potentially viable, currently 22 weeks. At that point, should the pregnancy put the mother’s life at risk, the pre-term delivery of the live baby is indicated—not the killing of the fetus, followed by delivery of a dead baby. In many states that is not the law. Instead, healthy, viable fetuses may be aborted. Just last week, Teen Vogue—yes, that’s right, TEEN Vogue—exposed this reality in an article by Beth Vial telling “her abortion story.” Vial opened by noting that “New York and Virginia have made headlines for their efforts to cut the medically unnecessary regulations on later abortion,” before proclaiming “Anti-abortion advocates have been intentionally misleading the public about the policies and misrepresenting what later abortion is and why people have them. I know because I had an abortion at 28 weeks.” Vial then spent the next ten paragraphs explaining that she has polycystic ovary syndrome and irritable bowel syndrome, and that she simply didn’t want to continue the pregnancy because “I was too sick, not ready, and I simply couldn’t afford it.” She eventually travelled to New Mexico to obtain an abortion when her baby was 28 weeks old. If Vial’s medical condition truly made continuing her pregnancy unsafe, a pre-term delivery would be indicated, not an abortion! But New Mexico law allowed Vial to kill her healthy and viable unborn baby." Her baby would have been adopted. Her babies adopted parents would have gladly payed all medical costs for her 28 week old baby. She didn't need to kill it.
  18. This is a interesting story of a Utah Rabbi who came forward recently with his story of abuse. The MeToo movement helped him come forward. https://www.deseretnews.com/user/comments/900054112/exclusive-a-utah-orthodox-rabbi-said-his-childhood-nanny-sexually-abused-him-for-10-years-heres-why-he-kept-it-a-secret-for-decades-and-he-decided-to-tell-his-story-for-the-first-time-elizabeth-smart-aly-raisman-me-too.html
  19. This autonomy makes it more difficult to track abusers across congregations. I am happy that your congregation conducts background checks. They are limited to “official” records. As Calm quoted, they are limited.
  20. I do like this point this article brings out. "From David’s statements, it appears his parents decided unilaterally to not pursue the matter and sweep it under the rug in an ill-advised attempt to “protect” him. Years later that has clearly not worked. The point David tried to make, before his message was hijacked, was that he wished there was more support from the church at the time it happened. I agree. Fortunately, the Church agrees too. In the years since, in addition to continuing to turn perpetrators into law enforcement, the Church has consistently provided necessary counseling to survivors. While it is tragic those resources were not made available to David at the time, I suspect they are available to him now if they would be useful in his healing." The church has made great efforts to improve their handling of abuse cases and they are doing better. The point of the OP was not to bash the church, but ask is there more we can do. These cases have happened in the past and mistakes were made. The church is correcting policies and procedures and I think it would be wise to train parents and ward members what research has shown about helping to prevent abuse and how to help those who are victims.
  21. There are differences in David's account and the police report. I believe David in this instance. We don't know how honest this man was with his church leaders but I would still think his membership record was flagged due to the church discipline due to child abuse. I hope so. If you can't teach nursery, I would not think directing the temple films should happen.
  22. We don't know that and there are no quotes from his parents. There are things I have never shared with my parent and their are things some parents don't want to talk about. We really don't know what we don't know. I think a good training course on these topics would be great to have at church. Many people, especially in the nineties, did not think about "counseling" the same way we do now.
  23. We don't know if David's parents turned down counseling for their son. They did not tell David they talked to the police. We don't know what the parents did here. He may not know the whole story.
  24. I agree. In the news reports, the victim did not know his parents had talked to the police. The police report makes it clear the police did talk to his parents. He may be unaware of other conversations with church leaders or other services that may have been offered. The parents could have felt they could handle it themselves and wanted to avoid further trauma for their son.
  25. I had not heard this story. Very sad...for the victim. " The way it was put to my parents was that it was appropriate to let the Church handle it," said "David," who also indicated Van Wagenen underwent a disciplinary council for the alleged abuse. "David" said with the current climate around sexual abuse and religious organizations, what happened to him is still a "hangup" in his life. "It just keeps resurfacing for me. I never got any kind of counseling or therapy or anything of the sort from the Church, I never got to talk to any Church leaders about this. I don't know what he told the [Church council],'" he said. His main question right now is if there are any other victims of Mr. Van Wagenen. He said he wished his parents had pressed charges at the time. He also said he wished the Church would have involved him in its investigation. "Looking back I wish that there would have been some kind of -- I wish the Church would have corrobrated the story [with me]," he told ABC4 News. "I'd like the church to do their due diligence to make sure they're getting the whole story from victims." "I want to make it safe. If there's anybody else who's had similar or worse done to them, I want to make sure they feel safe to come forward." "My only hope is that if there are other victims out there, I hope I can give them courage...," he said. The audio of David's interview with Van Wagenen can be found in the link above. https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/-i-hopepublicity-helps-the-victim-heal-says-sundance-co-founder-lds-filmmaker-on-abuse-claim/1754512274