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  1. The BYU student who attempted suicide on campus has died in the hospital. This incident highlighted an issue with long wait times for counseling appointments. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/12/05/woman-who-attempted/ “After Monday’s incident, Brigham Young University students questioned wait times at the campus counseling center. The school said it will propose adding more therapists when its trustees meet in January. Currently, it has one counselor per 1,000 students.” From the link within the link, “ Since the incident, several students have raised concerns about their attempts to seek counseling at the Provo school. They say the wait times are long, with some up to 10 weeks. When they do get in to see a therapist, they said, they can go a month or longer, between appointments. And if they wait too long into the semester, they’re turned away until the next term. “I think the problem is BYU doesn’t allocate enough resources,” Payne said. “They are understaffed, overbooked and no one can really get the help they need,” added Brigham Pitts, a freshman studying French. He recently waited three weeks to get an appointment and said his depression “definitely got worse” during that time. The Deseret News takes a “there is nothing to see here” approach. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900045209/byu-student-dies-after-fall-deemed-suicide-from-campus-building.html It always amazes me the different reporting on the same event. I think it is news a student taped a letter to the counseling office door discussing wait times and a lack of follow up appointments. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/12/05/after-public-suicide/
  2. bsjkki

    Come follow me

    We had the training today and another next week for those that missed this one. It ties nicely with the primary manuals. I'm excited!
  3. KSL report on therapy services. https://www.ksl.com/article/46443444/after-byu-students-death-utahs-universities-work-to-improve-campus-mental-health “After the woman’s death, a letter surfaced on campus calling into question the university’s policies regarding mental health. BYU officials say they’re working on a proposal to hire more therapists. But most of Utah’s major universities are under the threshold for an ideal number of mental health professionals on campus, and officials at most say they’d like to be able to hire more therapists or counselors. “This is important for us to hear,” BYU spokesman Todd Hollingshead said on Wednesday. “It’s a challenge that we’re facing that other institutions are facing, as well. As an institution we care about our students, we want our students to get the help they need. Yes, there’s work that we all need to do to do a better job.”
  4. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2018/12/08/she-represents-all-us/ Vigil held for student.
  5. Interesting new study about genetics and suicide. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900045707/university-of-utah-researchers-identify-4-gene-variants-linked-to-heightened-suicide-risk.html Variants in four genes — known as APH1B, AGBL2, SP110 and SUCLA2 — were identified as being noticeably associated with suicide risk, according to the study published in late October in the peer-reviewed scientific journal Molecular Psychiatry.” ...”Among Utahns ages 10 to 17, the number of suicides were more than four times higherin 2017 than they were in 2007, according to data kept by the Utah Department of Health. The department also said this year that Utah teenagers are reporting increasing rates of depression and suicide attempts.”
  6. I’m sorry. I think it is awful veterans need to wait for help or navigate a gauntlet to get the benefits they are owed because of their service to our country.
  7. I’m so sorry. That is devastating.
  8. I’m concerned with the ten week wait for mental health services. I feel this is an identified problem that should be fixed. I don’t think recognizing it as a problem means people are bashing the church. Maybe they need in person triage appointments to figure out if people are stable enough to wait or need to be fast tracked. I’m not sure the student in a mental health crisis can determine this on their own.
  9. The KSL comments are interesting. https://www.ksl.com/article/46441417/byu-student-dies-after-fall-deemed-suicide-from-campus-building The Daily Herald has more student reaction. https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/provo/byu-officials-confirm-death-of-student-who-fell-in-tanner/article_58dc09c5-cc3a-5518-93ec-bb03cd4b13f0.html " During a devotional on Tuesday, university President Kevin Worthen fought back tears and expressed his personal sympathy and prayers to those affected by the incident. “Such events try our hearts and stretch our souls. They should also cause us to be more aware of, and more caring for, the well-being of every individual in our community,” he said."
  10. Here is a a one stop link for all Utah suicide statistics through 2017. https://ibis.health.utah.gov/indicator/complete_profile/SuicDth.html But these statistics, would not include BYU students who commit suicide outside the State of Utah.
  11. Honestly, the mental health access is a symptom of larger problems in our society. There are many people who have theories into why this is the case. It would be better to treat the cause but at the moment, we also have to treat the symptoms. I thought this Deseret News article from 2016 was interesting as it discussed teen suicide in affluent, high achieving Utah County high schools. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865669275/The-Lone-Peak-story-What-you-didnt-know-about-affluence-and-teen-suicide.html "In October, two professors, one at the University of Chicago and the other at the University of Memphis, released a paper in the American Sociological Review showing how tightly knit cultures can increase suicide risk among teenagers. The study focused on a homogenous, upper middle class community that experienced several suicide clusters and found that teenagers there faced intense pressure to succeed."academically and conform to very narrowly defined standards of success....Gordon Flett, a professor of psychiatry at York University in Toronto, says this tendency toward perfectionism is troubling, and his recent research has focused on the links between perfectionism and suicide. Flett stresses that perfectionism itself doesn’t lead to suicide, but it is an amplifier, and an underappreciated one at that." I can see perfectionism being an amplier for suicides at BYU. I had earlier read a story that pinned our society's drug and suicide problem on declining morals and a valueless society. " "Well within my lifetime, the world has been turned upside down and twisted completely out of shape. When I was a teenager and a young adult, it was absolutely the norm that girls had it pounded into their heads to hold out for the marriage certificate, and boys, despite any lies told to their friends, generally respected that. The overwhelming majority did get married before they had any thought of having children, and there were no contraceptives to permit risk-free hanky-panky. To modern ears in the sex-saturated 21st century, the above sounds at best quaint and old-fashioned. But there are those of us -- Orthodox Jews, seriously observant Christians, Muslims who reject the insane Jihadist cult, as well as adherents to customs of other traditional societies -- for which these are still standards held. Yet if we express ourselves in public concerning those traditional values, we are met with hostility and ridicule. The deformed people around us who make up contemporary society want to shut us up. All that is missing is the compulsory reservation, where we can be with people just like ourselves."
  12. So those involved in the justice system have received more generous medicaid eligibility than those non-offender citizens. Edit...I also see that is for mental health services too...sorry. My niece who does not need mental health services is trying to navigate this. She cannot get medicaid. She is 27 and a single, full time student at UVU which does not offer a student insurance plan. Her social security number was stolen and used for nine month old baby. She is in the coverage gap where she makes too little to receive subsidies on the exchange because she should be on medicaid but Utah won't insure her. Her job provides insurance but makes the employee pay the full cost which is thirty percent of her income. Maybe she does need counseling and then she would qualify for medicaid? What a system. Anyway, the amount of paper work and help she has needed to try and secure insurance has been mind boggling.
  13. I don't think there is a direct link. After the suicide happened, students at BYU pointed out the long wait times. The suicide may be completely unrelated to long wait times at BYU but students at BYU, were promoted by this tragic event, to point out the problems they have experienced with long wait times and only being able to get services once a month. I think this is normal for people try to make sense of things and understand why this happened.
  14. “Medicaid eligibility for adults in states that did not expand their programs is quite limited: the median income limit for parents in these states is just 43% of poverty, or an annual income of $8,935 a year for a family of three in 2018, and in nearly all states not expanding, childless adults remain ineligible.3 Further, because the ACA envisioned low-income people receiving coverage through Medicaid, it does not provide financial assistance to people below poverty for other coverage options. As a result, in states that do not expand Medicaid, many adults fall into a “coverage gap” of having incomes above Medicaid eligibility limits but below the lower limit for Marketplace premium tax credits (Figure 1).” Childless adults are ineligible.
  15. In Utah, most single students would not qualify for medicaid because they are not in the right "class" of person who qualifies. With the passage of the new medicaid expansion that was on the ballot in November, single students can now qualify for medicaid beginning in April. https://medicaid.utah.gov/who-eligible https://www.healthinsurance.org/utah-medicaid/ https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/the-coverage-gap-uninsured-poor-adults-in-states-that-do-not-expand-medicaid/
  16. Like I have said, this is not just a BYU problem. But, if BYU has 2 to 5 times as many therapists as other schools and still has a 10 week wait...what does that say about the mental health of BYU students? Do the other schools have these long wait times?
  17. I agree and this is not just a BYU problem. This is a problem everywhere. Knowing how and gaining access to mental health care is challenging. If you are the one having a crisis, this makes a difficult process even harder to navigate.
  18. I agree the article has all the pertinent facts for this one incident. I would call it a minimalistic article. Compare the home pages of the Tribune and Deseret News. In one it is definitely no longer prominent. *if this was done purposely to not encourage copycats, I can respect that. In my area high schools, there is always fears of copycats after suicides.
  19. I’m sorry. It is sad that it takes an on campus, witnessed suicide to bring attention to an existing problem.
  20. This absolutely is a universal problem. In my experience, LDS social services was invaluable with their referral program. I didn’t know where to start, and they helped. I sometimes have empathy overload and imagine students seeking help and being told there is a long wait. When you need help, that would be so defeating.
  21. It’s so sad. 😢 I’ve had to help find counselors for my kids. It was something I had no experience with and I found it hard and frustrating...and very expensive. When a student seeks counseling, they have probably been needing counseling for some time. LDS social Services was helpful and made timely referrals which helped a lot. We payed out of pocket and were able to get them in quickly. It cost over $400 a month...not something the average BYU student could afford. I’ve found most highly recommended therapists do not accept insurance.
  22. bsjkki

    Life span on the decline.

    Thanks for the thoughtful response. I think some of issues involve the fact that we have people acting in these dual capacities at the same time. (law and order/pastoral care) It's a fine needle to thread.
  23. bsjkki

    Life span on the decline.

    I agree. We should all understand the limited abilities Bishops have. Do not expect them to be trained counselors. Do not expect them to have all the answers. Do not expect them to be perfect. Do expect them to make mistakes. This is a healthy way to view their role. They are very busy and and have many administrative tasks and full-time jobs.
  24. bsjkki

    Life span on the decline.

    In my opinion, I would edit this to add "It should provide hope and optimism." In my opinion, what should happen and what does happen is not the same. The church may be improving but it has a long way to go. It should help members develop their faith in God and help them have spiritual experiences to inspire change that will lead to a healthier life but I've seen too often, leaders can berate, and destroy and lead to issues with worthlessness and suicidal thoughts. This is my opinion based on personal observations and experiences. Bishops are not trained counselors and some do not deal with mental health issues well. Some, have no idea the harm they do. I have also seen others that do well. They are loving, kind and Christlike. I would love to have a study on done activity outcomes based on how Bishop's deal with issues during the repentance process. Same with mission presidents and the dreaded honor code office. I would love to see a comprehensive study on activity outcomes from those who have been sexually assaulted. I don't think we have enough non-anecdotal data sets to analyze. I do think the Bishop's role is too complex for some to navigate. They are a judge in zion and also need to provide pastoral care. Some focus more on one of these roles and forget the other.