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  1. The thread title is misleading. The church does not oppose a ban on conversion therapy. It only opposes this particular rule change due to concerning language. The language in the rule change is much “fuzzier” than both versions of the bill the church did not oppose.
  2. Where are the burkas? This is what happens when people add their two cents to church policies. Crazy town.
  3. Okay, reading through this thread and also watching the Facebook fake news catastrophe made me want to clarify the facts and give original text. This is the full text of the rule change the church objected to. https://dopl.utah.gov/laws/Prop_R156-61_OAR_44032.pdf This is the full text of the original bipartisan bill most supported. https://le.utah.gov/~2019/bills/hbillint/HB0399.pdf This is the full text of the “water downed” version. https://le.utah.gov/~2019/bills/hbillint/HB0399S04.pdf On Facebook, my friends are upset and linking to the water downed version that the church supported claiming they objected to this bill which is totally not true. The church even supported the original bill. The church objected to the “rule change.” It does contain language that is not in either of the Bills with regards to behaviors. Thank you Kindley for the heads up. The headlines and news articles are less than clear and full of emotionally charged “fake news.” The church in no way supports what most people consider “conversion therapy” and does not object to banning those practices. The church also needs a better writer for the newsroom. A more informative statement could have helped. Adding this article that explains what happened with the two original bills. https://www.thedailybeast.com/utah-was-set-to-ban-conversion-therapy-then-it-didnt
  4. Not offended. My brain may be linking two very disparate issues. Statistics show there is a higher rate of youth suicides. The question is why? Is it technology? Is it a secular society? Is it social media and smart phones? Is it anti depressants? In the church, I have anecdotally witnessed, our youth are not immune from this rising suicide trend. The combination of a conflict between the values of school, friends, home, media, entertainment seems increased. Smart phones make it so children and youth are increasingly connected to information that undermines the teachings from the home. I imagine this is tough to navigate. After conference and studying President Nelsons speech at BYU in September, I had an increased testimony of the commandments. That absolute truth=divine law=the commandments=a great cheat sheet for a happier life. It all brings home the “wickedness never was happiness.” I think society/government is trying to treat an ever growing crisis of symptoms while refusing to diagnose the disease.
  5. I’ve seen many threads that seem to try and tie the church’s lgbtq policies to increased suicides in Utah. In most of these threads, it seems, the statistics do not support the premise. The statistics from the CDC support the premise that there is a large increase in suicide across the country as outlined in this article. https://www.wsj.com/articles/youth-suicide-rate-rises-56-in-decade-cdc-says-11571284861 ”The suicide rate among people ages 10 to 24 years old climbed 56% between 2007 and 2017, according to the report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.” The authors do admit they do not know why. In a recent Adult Stake Conference session depression and suicide among the youth was the concern discussed in a question and answer segment. Most felt social media/smart phones were the main cause. The comments in the WSJ article were the same. One commenter did include statistics that anti depressant use in youth increases their suicide risk. I also happened to read this speech on religious freedom today. https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-william-p-barr-delivers-remarks-law-school-and-de-nicola-center-ethics?mod=article_inline We are trying to raise religious kids in a secular society. It’s a challenge, in part, due to the conflicting teachings of home and church vs the rest of the world. Bill Barr "But today – in the face of all the increasing pathologies – instead of addressing the underlying cause, we have the State in the role of Alleviator of Bad Consequences. We call on the State to mitigate the social costs of personal misconduct and irresponsibility. So the reaction to growing illegitimacy is not sexual responsibility, but abortion. The reaction to drug addiction is safe injection sites. The solution to the breakdown of the family is for the State to set itself up as the ersatz husband for single mothers and the ersatz father to their children. The call comes for more and more social programs to deal with the wreckage. While we think we are solving problems, we are underwriting them. We start with an untrammeled freedom and we end up as dependents of a coercive state on whom we depend. Interestingly, this idea of the State as the alleviator of bad consequences has given rise to a new moral system that goes hand-in-hand with the secularization of society. It can be called the system of “macro-morality.” It is in some ways an inversion of Christian morality. Christianity teaches a micro-morality. We transform the world by focusing on our own personal morality and transformation. “ Our kids are caught up in the shifting/conflicting morality of our day and I think, some of it’s first casualties.
  6. The carbon monoxide incident was much larger then first reported. Sixty treated, 24 needing to be treated In hyperbaric chambers and some of those will have lifelong effects. Scary incident. https://www.deseret.com/utah/2019/10/14/20914528/carbon-monoxide-poisoning-at-provo-church-serves-as-reminder-of-cold-weather-risks
  7. This situation was not covered in our safety meeting. https://www.deseret.com/2019/10/13/20912693/provo-utah-latter-day-saint-mormon-meetinghouse-evacuated PROVO — Eight people were taken to hospitals with carbon monoxide poisoning after a boiler problem sent a buildup of gas into a meetinghouse of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on Sunday. At 11:06 a.m., firefighters were called to the meetinghouse at 650 E. Stadium Ave. in Provo on a medical call. But while crews were on their way, they learned multiple people were sick and the church had “quite a bit” of carbon monoxide built up, said Provo fire spokeswoman Jeanie Atherton.
  8. My ward emergency preparedness person came to ward council and trained on what to do in case of fire, tornado or active shooter. He had a map showing where to go to meet if there was a fire. Where we should gather if there is a tornado. He also gave the run, hide, fight advice. I typed up the 3 scenarios and gave a copy of the protocols and the map to teachers called to serve in primary. In an emergency, teachers are to take care of their classes and get them to safety and trust others to do the same for their children. I think, they were supposed to go over it in Relief Society and Priesthood opening exercises. It is relatively simple but I think, rarely done.
  9. We already train on the emergency protocols and already used run, hide, fight. We always have someone watching the halls. I’ll have to learn this technique for blocking door entry.
  10. So, should I include instruction as part of new primary teacher orientation?
  11. After advertising our chapels are a gun free zone, the Presiding Bishopric released updated safety guidelines including guidance for active shooter situations. https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2019-10-10/safety-guidelines-lds-meetinghouses-shootings-emergencies-163930 “First, if something seems out of the ordinary, doesn’t fit or doesn’t feel right, tell someone immediately. “Second, the number-one thing that can help someone if they find themselves in an active shooter situation is to follow the principles of ‘run, hide, fight.’ This approach is taught by law enforcement and security experts around the world,” he said. Guidelines emphasize the importance of relying on local law enforcement during emergency situations, being aware of one’s surroundings and following promptings of the Holy Ghost. A section dedicated to responding to an armed intruder or active shooter is also included.”
  12. I watched that. I expected it to be much worse. I had just tried Black Rain. Now, that is a bad movie.
  13. I'm hoping the Primary budget stays the same and doesn't get cut with this change. It would be nice to give the leaders a little more money for activities. Cubs would usually require 2/3rd's of the Primary budget due to the cost of cub scout awards. The savings in not having registration fees for each boy in scouting will be a large number even if the ward budgets all stay the same. How much was that per boy? Did that money come out of ward budgets? It was never part of the primary budget..came out of some other account. All the leaders who registered as BSA leaders also needed to have fees paid too unless that was waived for the church. Anyone know how much we payed BSA for these fees?
  14. My stake has already determined we will meet weekly for youth activities and twice a month for primary. activities. The program is designed to be very flexible for local adaptations.
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