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  1. BYU rape case defendant aquitted

    She wasn’t believed by the Orem police...the guy asssulted 3 more girls before a cop in St. George tied the pieces together.
  2. BYU rape case defendant aquitted

    I read the comments too since there was so little coverage of the actual trial. It almost seems the accuser was more on trial than the defendant. I think this is one reason for the scarce coverage. Would you want to publish the accusations against the accuser? She lied, changed her story, waited a whole 4 days to report, slept around etc...what victim would ever come forward knowing their life was going to be fodder for the masses? They were very successful in shredding her credibility.
  3. I think this is one reason. Concerns are either ignored, viewed as unimportant due to status of person reporting or never brought to the top. I read the reports of one father who complained about the treatment of his daughter (who was exonerated) but he said it was like talking to a brick wall. Maybe in such a top down structure, it is hard to question the status quo.
  4. It is believed there is an increase in reporting not an increase in assaults. “Julie Valentine, a BYU nursing professor who researches sexual assault and served on the advisory council, said new faith in the school’s Title IX process may have led more survivors to come forward. “I know we have more students reporting, which means that there’s increased trust, so to speak, of the system, and that’s what we want,” she said, noting that the increase likely doesn’t reflect an increase in sexual assaults.”
  5. Positive changes at BYU are already bringing measurable benefits to the campus. More sexual assault victims are seeking help and reporting and “consent” is now explained at student orientation. ifhttp://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2017/10/22/brigham-young-university-students-say-sexual-assault-policy-changes-have-eased-culture-of-fear-but-theres-more-work-to-be-done/ “Tiffany Turley, the school’s new full-time Title IX coordinator, said the university has received more sexual assault reports in the first few weeks of classes than it saw in fall semester last year. Her office, charged with swiftly responding to and resolving complaints of sexual violence, has provided 60 training sessions to students and faculty already this semester, Turley said. “I think people just might not have known what Title IX was before, so with all the trainings that we’re doing, the awareness campaigns … people know there is a place on campus where they can go and get help,” she said. She said the reports are “significant” but declined to provide a specific figure.” Why did it take negative press to make this change and understand the gravity of the problems?
  6. Elizabeth Smart participated on a panel discussion on sexual abuse. I like her answer on the topic of forgiveness. “An emotional moment came toward the end of the event when a BYU student asked Smart, “When did you know you had forgiven and what was that process like?” “I think a lot of us have grown up with this playground idea of what forgiveness is and as we grow to adults, I think that idea needs to change,” Smart said. “It needs to mature as well because you’re not going to be friends with everyone who hurts you. Speaking from experience there are a couple of people that I never, ever want to see ever again. With that being said, have I forgiven them? Yes, but I don’t want to have anything to do with them. “If I held on to what they did to me for so long that anger would take part of my soul and ... that would be taking part of me away from my family, from my parents and my husband. Not all of me would be able to be there for my daughter, not all of me would be able to be there for my son, not all of me would be able to be there for everything that I want to enjoy along the way.” https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900002617/elizabeth-smart-joins-the-5-browns-deondra-brown-to-make-noise-about-sexual-abuse.html I’ve witnessed a few instances of weaponized guilt implying...if you have really forgiven someone, you would forget past wrongs and act like the offense did not happen. I like her term “playground idea.” Forgiveness does not mean setting yourself up for continued injury but it does mean you have conquered the anger and bitterness that take away from more positive endevours.
  7. BYU rape case defendant aquitted

    See, the difference between you and I is, I wonder why she was promiscous at 19? I joyfully believe and teach we are given commandments from God for our benefit and they do lead to a happier life. But...when it comes to violent, unlawful acts...believing if we keep the rules that we will be safe. That is an illusion. That is why so many people want to judge the victim because they want to believe that if they make all the right choices, they will be safe. It’s actually a bit arrogant. Christ can heal souls, love motivates repentence more than scorn. Sending them home is not always the best choice and sometimes people matter more than policies.
  8. BYU rape case defendant aquitted

    So those quotes are from the advisory report which you obviously disagree with. I’ve learned my knowledge about rape victims through experiences I wish never happened. So many commenters on these threads like to “tell” the victims what they should have done and when. For me those statements reflect a woeful lack of knowledge on the subject. But as the saying goes, “ignorance is bliss.”
  9. Modesty standards

    I already conceded clothing communicates but obviously we don’t always get those signals interpreted correctly. To a Mormon boy a tank top may indicate a ‘rebelious’ female but to most of the world it just means it’s hot outside.
  10. Modesty standards

    I think this shows that it is hard to make accurate assumptions based on clothing choices. I’m very familiar with the industry and I would assume the one in overalls is not the CEO. That too could be a faulty assumption.
  11. Modesty standards

    I just don’t know what you’re trying to say with your scenario. I would find it odd for a ceo to be in overalls on a job site. So, the suit wearing CEO is a big wig with a large company and the other is a with a small company? I agree we judge people based on clothing...but there is no universal standard for modesty. So, according to some, modesty is based on the intent of the wearer. So, now we are supposed to gauge the intent someone is thinking when choosing their outfits. I’m sure there is no way anyone will get that judgement wrong.
  12. Modesty standards

    That one is the CEO and the other the superintendent? Because, factually, that’s is how it is.
  13. BYU rape case defendant aquitted

    It was but inconsistent statements from the accuser overcame this confession. I really would like trial transcripts. Proving rape is difficult and I am surprised her previous sexual encounters and post sexual encounters (different guy) were admissible. Often rape victims don't even say "no" or fight--they just freeze. That makes it really hard to prove rape in court of law. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/06/23/why-many-rape-victims-dont-fight-or-yell/?utm_term=.426e660e031d
  14. BYU rape case defendant aquitted

    No...that is not the most important change for me personally but I am happy about all the changes. The most important change to me personally, is actually not a change at BYU but that the information gathered was sent to church leadership. I hope this will help all sexual assault victims in the church. "3. Share with officials of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the findings of the advisory council regarding ecclesiastical leaders’ varied responses to sexual-assault reports." I hope more training, better information and understanding will help all victims of sexual assault as they talk with their ecclesiastical leaders. This too...is long overdue. How would I deal with the rape victim who was known to be promiscuous? First, I would listen. Second, I would seek trained counseling for her. Third, I would find out if they wish to remain at the University. Forth, I would formulate a plan that would help them stay--including referring them to seek guidance through their Bishop. Together we would sit down and make a plan that is best for them. If only, the goal of the Honor Code office was to find ways to help the students stay and repair their lives and testimonies instead of being focused on punishment and kicking them out of school. This is great summation of the BYU recommendations. https://news.byu.edu/sites/default/files/AdvisoryCouncilReport.pdf "CONCLUSION As we have conducted this study and developed this report, we have been grateful for the cooperation, the openness, and the sincere devotion to helping victims that has been demonstrated by so many members of the campus community. Our hearts ache for those who suffer the devastating psychological, emotional, spiritual, physical, and other wounds inflicted through sexual assault. Our deepest desire is to create an environment that eliminates such situations as much as possible and compassionately supports and guides victims through their recovery process. We have learned much about how our campus responds to sexual misconduct, and we have formulated some key recommendations, outlined above, that we believe will make a significant difference in the safety of our students. In addition, we have three broad recommendations: 1. Although we have gained significant insight into this issue on campus, we have learned that there is much more for us still to learn and that there is much we still do not understand. Our attention to this issue as a campus is heightened now, and we ask that the university remain alert and continue to study and to learn. A campus culture and climate study will be a significant aid to that effort. 2. We began this process with two goals: (a) to learn how we can eliminate sexual misconduct on campus and (b) to discover ways to improve the reporting and investigation process. We have realized that those two goals are in reverse order. We must have better reporting of sexual assault before we can eliminate sexual assault and other forms of sexual misconduct. We ask that the university do what is necessary to encourage and facilitate victims or others in reporting sexual assault and dating/domestic violence. 3. This report is a beginning. This issue is rapidly evolving both here on our campus and in the broader world of higher education. Federal regulations are changing quickly, and both government agencies and education officials are working hard to find the right solutions. The formation of this advisory council indicates that BYU is also working hard to find the right solutions for our campus. As we gain more information about sexual misconduct on campus and more experience responding to it, we strongly urge continual review and attention to improve our processes and efforts. As experts and regulators in the field similarly learn more, gain new perspectives, and develop new strategies, we encourage the university to continue to study and learn from emerging best practices and revised regulations. As an educational community that seeks to follow Jesus Christ, we at this university place the highest emphasis on compassionate attention to the safety and well-being of our students. To succeed in our mission to help young people develop the full range of human potential, we must have an environment that is free of sexual misconduct and that is supportive, loving, and sensitive to the needs of any who have been abused. These priority objectives merit our determined and sustained attention. We must be, as was Jesus Christ, both unflinching in our condemnation of such behavior and compassionate in our care for any affected by sexual assault and dating/domestic violence.
  15. Prospective missionaries will be asked 16 new questions before they are able to serve. http://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2017/10/20/church-unveils-16-new-questions-for-prospective-mormon-missionaries-to-ensure-they-are-ready-worthy-and-able-to-serve/ https://www.lds.org/church/news/church-releases-standard-missionary-interview-questions?lang=eng&_r=1&cid=HP_FR_20-10-2017_dPFD_fCNWS_xLIDyL2_ http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/mormon-missionary-changes-2017 http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/multimedia/file/Standard-Interview-Questions-for-Prospective-Missionaries.pdf The Trib links to the actual questions. I was having trouble copying them into this so if anyone else wants to add them to the thread--I've got to run to a meeting. "Gary Crittenden, managing director of the LDS missionary department, said the changes come after the church reviewed how to improve its missionary program. “We really have been focused on looking at absolutely every element of missionary operations, starting from when a missionary is thinking about preparing, through the experience he has on his mission, and even after that,” he said. “And through that we’ve found opportunities where we think we can improve.” Topics merged. OP that was posted first (by 2 minutes) remains.
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