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  1. While I don't disagree that the wards and branches is a valid indicator, the stake growth is as well. For one, it shows broad maturity in the area. A stake will not be organized without 5 functioning wards. (According to my former mission president that was a church employee. At the time of my service there were no stakes in my mission.) There have to be a minimum number of active members, tithe payers, and priesthood holders in each ward. Stakes also will not be split unless they can get between 10-12 wards. Branches, while often administered under stake leadership, do not meet the criteria necessary to have a ward. I live in a stake that stayed at 12 for a few years due to inactive members in one section. With the growth in wards, stakes, and branches it shows that more members are active with the growth happening. I would have to run the numbers to see, but when both stay at a relatively parallel rate, it would mean that fewer people are going inactive after joining. That was a bigger issue several decades ago, and they have tried to take measures to reduce that.
  2. Why are you arguing hypotheticals, I thought you said the changes to HPs and Elders were a direct reflection on the weakening of the church? It is very measurable by anyone in or out of the church to count how many wards and stakes there are in the world just by counting the building locators on the online maps. The church did shrink in the late 1830's and 1850's and it was published. The number of stakes shrank in number in 2003 as well when they reorganized several in Chile that had a very high number of inactive members. Rates will ebb and flow, but if a stock grew from 6 to over 16,000,000 in 187 years, then it would be a very good investment. (Or from 1 to 3,341 in 170 years.)
  3. Because heaven forbid that they meet the exact way that the Relief Society has for the past 170+ years. Or that they have never modified anything such as primary not meeting Wednesdays like they did in the 1950's, or not sustaining a prophet for several like they did after they left Nauvoo. Or changed ages for missionaries, or when they quit calling married men on missions such as they did during Pioneer times. Or when they quit calling stake 70's like they did before the 1980's, or when they started to have stake presidents ordain patriarchs instead of members of the quorum of the 12. With every change that is ever made some always look for ulterior motives. The fact is there is no doubt the church is growing and as Elder Quentin L Cook stated in a recent conference at no other time has there been more endowed and active members. https://www.lds.org/church/news/quentin-l-cook-the-lord-is-my-light?lang=eng
  4. Yet stakes are being created at the highest percentage growth levels since the early 90's. This means more people are staying active than at any other time, and the growth of wards and stakes is really a better indicator of genuine growth than convert baptism numbers alone. Since 2010 there are 1,986,702 more members, 445 more stakes, and 1846 more wards and branches worldwide. I would say the conversation of the church's decline is very contrary to the actual events of what is happening. They have made it clear they would rather not have people join only to go inactive. I think we are seeing the fruits of those actions.
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