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  1. Gray

    Linear growth in church membership

    Children of record are counted as members. They are only removed if not baptized. You can see them counted in the annual stats: https://www.lds.org/church/news/2017-statistical-report-for-2018-april-general-conference?lang=eng https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/2016-statistical-report-2017-april-conference
  2. I wouldn't use "proof" really outside of mathematics. Science and history are about theories and the weight of evidence, but not proof.
  3. History can't demonstrate that Punk Rock didn't exist in the year 427 BCE, but to assert that it did would not be a historical argument, but at most a faith-based argument. From a historical perspective that would be so speculative and devoid of supporting evidence that it wouldn't merit serious consideration. Therefore it's not a historical view, just as many of Mormonism's faith-based tenets are not historical. Of course what's reasonable is a different question. It's reasonable to believe in something ahistorical if it improves your life in some way, arguably.
  4. Sure, it's fairly easy to reject a historical view in that regard in favor of a faith-based view.
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    "Why some people leave the Church"

    I have had some spiritual experiences in the Temple, but almost none in the chapel. I think chapels are just too crowded, noisy and claustrophobic for me.
  6. It's not too hard to demonstrate that Christianity started in the mid-first century, rather than hundreds of years earlier.
  7. I don't know why so many critics keep harping on material objects. The theology and doctrines of the Book of Mormon are far more anachronistic in a more obvious way. That would certainly more interesting than the 4001st debate about steel and honey bees.
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    "Why some people leave the Church"

    I think where you feel closest to God might depend on your personality. For someone who is an introvert, of instance, the Sunday experience might not be very conducive to spirituality. Lots of variables. For me, I've never had strong spiritual experiences at church or in the temple. All of my strongest spiritual experiences have happened when I was alone.
  9. I think we can agree that Dehlin is a sloppy interviewer without stooping to armchair psychoanalysis and attacks. I find his interview style frustrating, but that doesn't make him a sociopath. There's an art to interviewing people, and he's never really picked that up. It's not really anything to do with his field of study or his mental health.
  10. Gray

    "Why some people leave the Church"

    I feel the same. In the Biblical record, the prophets often go to the mountains or wilderness to feel communion with God.
  11. This is where the alarmism comes in. Your interpretation doesn't fit in with the actual law, but it does match the fear mongering used to turn people into one-issue voters. It's all about power.
  12. Who has better judgement than the attending physician? An anti abortion activist with with a scary sign? A politician trying to keep his base riled up to hold on to power?
  13. That's rather alarmist. The law is in keeping with the Roe v Wade decision. Should women have no say about their own health? What about men? Should the state stop men from protecting their own health too?
  14. Heaven forbid doctors and patients are allowed to make decisions regarding health. Someone ought to interfere.