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  1. Gray

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    I think the ban kept people who otherwise wouldn't be racist more willing to accept racism.
  2. Gray

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    Sorry Hamba, the only one attempting to speak for your housemate is you. All I said to you was this: "Since your black friend isn't here to speak for himself, maybe it's best just to speak for yourself?" Black people don't exist to give white people an alibi to support racist things. Black people can speak for themselves on racial issues. There's a long ugly history of white people (or non black people) using "my black friend" to deflect criticism from supporting something racist. Maybe I'm more sensitive to it because I'm an American and you're left scratching your head because you're not. But over here at least it's very unseemly.
  3. Gray

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    Who was speaking on his behalf?
  4. Gray

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    Not what I was saying. Please see my follow-up comments.
  5. Gray

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    Straw man, and if you think he is capable of speaking for himself, why do you keep trying to speak for him? My comment was to him, not you. And yet you inserted yourself. It's a US-centric issue. The ban started here, based on uniquely American ideas about race and slavery. I'm not surprised you don't get the nuances of this issue, and I'm not surprised that you continue to put up straw man arguments. I'm putting you back on ignore. Too much provocation, not enough good faith discussion from you.
  6. Gray

    How many black members do we have?

    I know she and her husband have become very much engaged in issues of race since they adopted their little girl. They're very active in some kind of support group to help adoptive parents navigate issues of race, but I don't know all the details. It's tough because we had an official policy for 100 years that treated black people as second class. On the other hand, there are a ton of other churches who may not have had an official policy like that but were just as racist. It's a tough issue to navigate. The issue become more personal when it involves someone you love, just as people tend to become more active in fund-raising to help cure a disease when a loved one is diagnosed with it.
  7. Gray

    How many black members do we have?

    She's very actively doing things like that. Thanks!
  8. Gray

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    It's not unseemly to give an undocumented anecdote - all of us do that. Hamba isn't American, and I assume he is well intentioned and sincere. But since you keep pressing the issue, as you should know this is a common issue in America with our complicated history of race. The "I have a black friend" defense has a very poor history here. It's unseemly to use a black friend as a shield for defending something like a ban on black people fully participating in a church. That nuance may not be obvious to someone from another country. Black people can speak for themselves on this issue.
  9. Gray

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    It's a little unseemly to use an unnamed black friend to defend something like this. Especially repeatedly.
  10. Gray

    How many black members do we have?

    She does. Her faith has been on really shaky ground for a while now, mostly due to concern for raising her daughter in the church.
  11. Gray

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    Since your black friend isn't here to speak for himself, maybe it's best just to speak for yourself?
  12. Gray

    How many black members do we have?

    Our RS president is white, but her family has adopted a black child. I know her hopes were raised and then dashed really hard by the hoax.
  13. Gray

    Recent board glitches

    I did several days back
  14. Gray

    1st Pres. and NAACP

    Same here. I wish I had waited to check it more closely before posting
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