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  1. Gray

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Your post is too long for me to be able to respond to everything, so I'll just quickly respond to this. Maybe the sense of "entitlement" comes from members who read their scriptures and learn that Joseph Smith received a revelation that everything in the church was to operate by common consent. When it dawns on us that there is no more meaningful common consent, contrary to Joseph's revelations, there is a sense of bemusement. If you're punished for voting the "wrong" way, then common consent no longer exists. Who decided to overturn common consent? Everything is done unilaterally these days. The revealed order has been subverted.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    The temple recommend makes it clear - common consent has become a virtue signaling exercise, nothing more.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Parents have much more access to their children, by default. So if a parent is an abuser they will have ample time to abuse. I don't know of a good solution to prevent that. All solutions seem to involve intervention after the fact.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I've seen too many examples of Bishops keeping it "in house" to avoid confrontation and scandal. I suspect the report rate for teachers, even if low, is higher than for bishops.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I'm not aware of anything formal that tells kids generally who to report to (from any source). YMMV.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Straw man. I'm saying children should be taught to report to someone who can be trusted to take the information to law enforcement. Bishops are not that someone.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I don't know what happens every time, but that pattern seems to come up too often to give me any confidence that reporting crimes to bishops and bishops alone is wise. Kids should be taught to report to a teacher or a guidance counselor if a family member is abusing them. Educators are mandated by law to report to the police.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Maybe that's because most people have the good sense to exercise caution with their children (and themselves) around strange dogs. 🤔 People are more likely to be bitten by a dog than a shark. But most people have the good sense not to swim in shark-infested waters. 🤔
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Kids are way too sheltered. Only a hover parent would tell their child not to accept candy from strangers. Go ahead and hop in that windowless van, Timmy! I'm sure you'll learn some good life lessons.
  10. Gray

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    No one should report a crime to their bishop, at least not as a first step. Bishops are looking out for the good name of the church and generally don't know how to handle the situation appropriately, IMO. Children should report to a teacher.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    If I were to say I make my child wear a helmet when riding a bike, I suppose you'd attack that position and say "why don't you make them wear the helmet all the time? Most accidents happen in the home." And I'd say you were trolling at that point.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    I'm sure you're smart enough to figure it out, but I'll humor you. Children live with their parents. That's the default state. A two deep policy cannot possibly be implemented at home. But for situation where kids are temporarily interacting with strangers, a two deep policy will protect them if one of the adults happens to be an abuser. Just like not letting your child wrestle with a stray dog will protect them from getting bitten by stray dogs. Maybe the stray dog is friendly, but you really don't know. They're a stray. It's still possible that Fido at home will turn bad, but at least you have experience with Fido. He's been a good dog so far. But a responsible parent exercises caution with their children around stray dogs. A good parent knows he himself is not an abuser. But a good parent also knows he doesn't know for sure if the bishop or the Sunday school teacher is and exercises caution. Statistically speaking there are probably one or two pedophiles in every ward at any given time.
  13. Gray

    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Do you have any actual evidence that a child is more likely to be bitten by a strange dog in a street than the family dog?
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

    Temple recommend questions: 4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church? In other words, if you vote opposed, no temple recommend.
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    Sam Young is Excommunicated

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