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  1. In Latter Times Some Shall Forbid Marriage

    Absolutely delusional. So now the apostle Paul who taught that "the man is not without the woman and the woman is not without the man in the Lord," and who also condemned homosexuality as an ungodly abomination in strongest possible terms, is now cast as an advocate for gay marriage in the latter-days? Have you ever stopped to seriously consider the fact that it's the advocates of gay marriage who are the ones who are giving heed to seducing spirits?
  2. SL Trib article on co-worker interactions

    So now it's your turn to imagine I said things I didn't say and impugn my motives. I am familiar with this case and for the sake of a more complete picture of the offense I sighted those two interesting and pertinent facts. I believe Curtis is as guilty as h--l and that he got exactly what he deserved. But one thing is for sure, if Sandra had followed the bishop's counsel it's unlikely Jeremiah would have been molested. She was the one who came to the bishop for advise on the matter but she put aside his counsel. And I must also say it's unlikely even one mother in a million could be found who would think it was a good idea to have her young son sleep in the same bed with a stranger. Why can't both things be true? Curtis is a sick and evil preditor who deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison and the mother was sadly lacking in good judgement?
  3. SL Trib article on co-worker interactions

    That was the reason why the bishop thought it was a bad idea to have Curtis move in, but back in those days a sin for which someone had been forgiven was supposed to be kept in strict confidence by the bishop. I suppose the bishop's big mistake was not being forceful enough in his counsel and should have made it painfully clear that under no circumstances should Curtis be allowed to move in. But the problem there is that giving such forceful direction would only naturally cast suspicions on the old man and possibly instigate gossip. I believe the Church has a different way of handling such situations now. By the way, wouldn't the law of averages suggest there would have to be at least a few cases of abuse of this sort amongst all the millions of active members?
  4. SL Trib article on co-worker interactions

    I know two interesting facts about the Jeremiah Scott case and actually know some members of the family. Jeremiah's divorced and then single mother was told by her bishop he didn't think it was a good idea to invite the elderly Brother Curtis to live in her home but the mother disregarded the bishop's counsel and invited Curtis in anyway. And believe it or not, because of cramped quarters, Jeremiah's mother thought it was an acceptable idea to have brother Curtis and her young son sleep in the same bed. I don't know what others might think of such a thing, but I must say having your young son and an aging near stranger sleep in the same bed is one of the weirdest ideas I've ever heard.
  5. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    One last question and I promise I'll back out for now. Would you like to see the day when gay marriages will be sealed in the LDS temples?
  6. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    What does it matter who said what to whom when it's the ideas you expressed that really matter? It's the words in your posts and and their intended meaning that were the focus of my attention. You are the one who responded to ksfisher with the word "no" and that's what prompted my remarks. Thanks for your answers
  7. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    Nice try. Are you not the one who responded to Ksfisher by saying "NO, here is the law of chastity"? And did you not quote the definition of the law of chastity to ksfisher in order to prove to him that the definition might very well include gay marriage? And is it not true that as you continue to use the definition of the law of chastity to support the propriety of gay marriage even though the leaders of the Church have consistently said the definition pertains only to marriage between men and women? The only way you can be right is if the prophets are wrong. And if the prophets are wrong, why do you take the definition of the law of chastity -- which, after all, are just more words from the prophets -- so seriously?
  8. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    In your dialogue with ksfisher, you quoted a portion of the Gospel Principles manual as if the quoted portion implied there was room for gay marriage. Ksfisher said you're setting up a false dilemma because the Law of Chastity pertains only to marriage between a man and woman. Your response was to say NO, that you weren't setting up a false dilemma because the Gospel Principles manual's definition of the Law of Chastity is as follows...
  9. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    What follows is the part of the section on the law of chastity from the Gospel Principles manual that immediately follows the quote you pulled and left in isolation. Dishonesty is perpetrated as much by partial quotes and omitting clarifying facts as it is by lying outright. "Like other violations of the law of chastity, homosexual behavior is a serious sin. Latter-day prophets have spoken about the dangers of homosexual behavior and about the Church’s concern for people who may have such inclinations. President Gordon B. Hinckley said: “In the first place, we believe that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. We believe that marriage may be eternal through exercise of the power of the everlasting priesthood in the house of the Lord. “People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians. My response is that we love them as sons and daughters of God. They may have certain inclinations which are powerful and which may be difficult to control. Most people have inclinations of one kind or another at various times. If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as do all other members of the Church. If they violate the law of chastity and the moral standards of the Church, then they are subject to the discipline of the Church, just as others are. “We want to help these people, to strengthen them, to assist them with their problems and to help them with their difficulties. But we cannot stand idle if they indulge in immoral activity, if they try to uphold and defend and live in a so-called same-sex marriage situation. To permit such would be to make light of the very serious and sacred foundation of God-sanctioned marriage and its very purpose, the rearing of families” (in Conference Report, Oct. 1998, 91; or Ensign, Nov. 1998, 71). Edited 1 hour ago by Bobbieaware
  10. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    You're continuing to twist the truth. You know what I'm talking about. What I'm saying is that for your own purposes you quoted one part of the Gospel Principles manual section dealing the law of chastity while ignoring the rest of what was said in the same section concerning how gay marriage is against the laws of God and how homosexual behavior is a sin. You craftily quoted the manual as a reliable source of current doctrine, but then conveniently left out the sentences that immediately followed because they totally undermine your position. Let's not play games.
  11. Church Statement - LBGTQ concert - is this sincere?

    Why are you a twister of words and a manipulator of facts? These antics are really childish. In the same section of the same chapter of the very same Gospel Principles manual that you quoted from, we read the following: "Like other violations of the law of chastity, homosexual behavior is a serious sin. Latter-day prophets have spoken about the dangers of homosexual behavior and about the Church’s concern for people who may have such inclinations. President Gordon B. Hinckley said: “In the first place, we believe that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. We believe that marriage may be eternal through exercise of the power of the everlasting priesthood in the house of the Lord. “People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians. My response is that we love them as sons and daughters of God. They may have certain inclinations which are powerful and which may be difficult to control. Most people have inclinations of one kind or another at various times. If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as do all other members of the Church. If they violate the law of chastity and the moral standards of the Church, then they are subject to the discipline of the Church, just as others are. “We want to help these people, to strengthen them, to assist them with their problems and to help them with their difficulties. But we cannot stand idle if they indulge in immoral activity, if they try to uphold and defend and live in a so-called same-sex marriage situation. To permit such would be to make light of the very serious and sacred foundation of God-sanctioned marriage and its very purpose, the rearing of families” (in Conference Report, Oct. 1998, 91; or Ensign, Nov. 1998, 71).
  12. Origins of Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnibenevolence

    In light of the gospel principles revealed in the following verses from the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price, how is it possible for someone who believes the restoration scriptures are true to come around to accepting the idea that God has limited knowledge and power? 24 But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things. (2 Nephi 2) 20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knowethall things, and there is not anything save he knows it. (2 Nephi 9) 35 Now have we not reason to rejoice? Yea, I say unto you, there never were men that had so great reason to rejoice as we, since the world began; yea, and my joy is carried away, even unto boasting in my God; for he has all power, all wisdom, and all understanding; he comprehendeth all things, and he is a merciful Being, even unto salvation, to those who will repent and believe on his name. 22 For behold, God knowing all things, being from everlasting to everlasting, behold, he sent angels to minister unto the children of men, to make manifest concerning the coming of Christ; and in Christ there should come every good thing. 1 Thus saith the Lord your God, even Jesus Christ, the Great I Am, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the same which looked upon the wide expanse of eternity, and all the seraphic hosts of heaven, before the world was made; 2 The same which knoweth all things, for all things are present before mine eyes; (D&C 38) 6 He that ascended up on high, as also he descendedbelow all things, in that he comprehended all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth; (D&C 88) 61 Therefore it is given to abide in you; the record of heaven; the Comforter; the peaceable things of immortal glory; the truth of all things; that which quickeneth all things, which maketh alive all things; that which knoweth all things, and hath all power according to wisdom, mercy, truth, justice, and judgment. (Moses 6)
  13. You're naive to believe that people would change and do the right things if God appeared to the world. In the war in heaven one-third of the spirit children of God totally rebelled against him in the most bitter spirit of hatred, and they did this in spite of the fact that they were living in God's immediate presence. Similarly, if God were to appear today and set the record straight, it would make a stir for a few days but the wicked would soon ignore and eventually forget or explain away the event. Then the situation would be made exponentially worse because now the people would continue sinning and defying God in the light of noon-day. The natural man isn't at all interested in God or his laws, and if the Lord were to stop by for a visit they wouldn't want to give him the time of day. The only kind of visitation that might work would be one with accompanying overwhelming power and glory and a dramatic fear-inducing threat of instantaneous destruction. If the wicked knew they were about to suffer horrible deaths they might temporarily comply to save their necks but that wouldn't necessarily mean their hearts would be changed.
  14. How an Ahistorical Book of Mormon Can Still Be Scripture

    Rather than have those who believe the Book of Mormon is fiction leave the Churh altogether, it's much more advantageous for the adversary of men's souls to have such people remain in the Church so that they might have the opportunity to slowly transform the Church into an apostate false religion from within. Similarly, the gnostics apostates of the meridian Christian Church were also busily at work trying to convince the members of that day that there was no literal Jesus Christ who shed his very real atoning blood for the sins of the world. Rather, they taught that the Being most supposed to be the literal Son of God on earth was actually a sort of apparition who only SEEMED TO BE a real flesh and blood human being who suffered and died for the sins of the world. In fact, these heretics believed no divine atoning sacrifice was necessary because salvation was gained through the acquisition of esoteric knowledge, not by believing in the spiritual efficacy of a "crude" and bloody divine sacrifice. So it appears one of most powerful devices in Satan's arsenal to destroy the true Church from within is to propagate the idea that the literal foundational events of Church history didn't actually occur but are nothing more than inspirational myths. If the ideas of the ahistorical Book of Mormon faction are tolerated and allowed to become normalized mainstream thinking within the Church, it's likely a humiliating major schism will eventually erupt in a struggle for supremacy.
  15. Is excommunication enough sometimes?

    The thing I find astonishing is how they found people who were actually willing to carry out these ghastly executions.
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