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  1. Bobbieaware

    More Galileo in the Book of Mormon

    Thank you, Robert. My perplexity came to an end when, just a short while ago, it finally came to my attention that JarMan is another in an apparently growing number of Church members who believe the Book of Mormon is scripture in some sort of vague, metaphorical (😉), Aesop’s Fables sort of way, while simultaneously believing its text is heavily littered on virtually every page with brazen and preposterous lies. Now that I’ve come to this realization, I will no longer be attempting to converse with JarMan because we don’t have enough in common to be able to have meaningful dialogue. That being said, I may attempt to converse with others who participate on his threads, but I’ll be very careful to leave any direct references to JarMan out of my comments so that he’ll be less likely to engage with me. Fare well, JarMan.
  2. Bobbieaware

    More Galileo in the Book of Mormon

    Did you not first ridicule my testimony of the ‘orthodox model’ of the Book of Mormon, and by implication the testimonies of all the others who believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon, when you said that such testimonies don’t fit in with the “REAL WORLD,” as if those who believe in the historicity of the Book of Mormon and the spiritual realm are deluded fools?. My post was simply offered as the logical antedote to your rather arrogant and dismissive testimony that the Book of Mormon is fake because an uninspired world that knows not the ways of the Spirit says it is. Fair is fair.
  3. Bobbieaware

    More Galileo in the Book of Mormon

    And your view of the Book of Mormon does not fit in with the Church. But that’s nothing new because the things of God have always been considered laughably false foolishness to the natural man who relies on the arm of flesh. I’m wondering why someone who thinks as you do believes anything at all about the Book of Mormon (if you still in fact do believe anything at all about it) if so much of it is nothing but pack of whopping, bald-faced lies. Talk about building one’s spiritual life on a foundation of shifting sand! Modern science says its an impossiblity that the rotting corpse of one Jesus of Nazareth could have been raised from the dead into a state of glorious immortality and eternal life. Is this most foundational and critically important of all Christian doctrines also another lie that doesn’t “fit with the real world”? If you do believe the bodily resurrection of Christ is just another lie, what’s the point in wanting to be identified as a Latter-day Saint?
  4. Bobbieaware

    More Galileo in the Book of Mormon

    Here you go again not allowing the Book of Mormon provide its own answers, Why do you insist that the Jaredites couldn’t have known about certain engineering principles, as if the then current state of scientific advancement was the only source technical knowledge available to them, when the record’s narrative plainly testifies that the Jaredites were able to bypass secular sources of scientific knowledge because the unique design of the barges was revealed by direct revelation from God? Aside from its primary importance as another sacred witness that Jesus is the Christ, the Book of Mormon’s constant recurrent theme is its laser focus on the absolute necessity of men receiving continual divine revelation or, in its absence, being left in the dark. How can one who believes the Book of Mormon is a true sacred history of a real ancient people insist that the record cannot be accepted at its own word and on its own terms? 16 And the Lord said: Go to work and build, after the manner of barges which ye have hitherto built. And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did go to work, and also his brethren, and built barges after the manner which they had built, according to the instructions of the Lord. And they were small, and they were light upon the water, even like unto the lightness of a fowl upon the water. 17 And they were built after a manner that they were exceedingly tight, even that they would hold water like unto a dish; and the bottom thereof was tight like unto a dish; and the sides thereof were tight like unto a dish; and the ends thereof were peaked; and the top thereof was tight like unto a dish; and the length thereof was the length of a tree; and the door thereof, when it was shut, was tight like unto a dish. 18 And it came to pass that the brother of Jared cried unto the Lord, saying: O Lord, I have performed the work which thou hast commanded me, and I have made the barges according as thou hast directed me. (Ether 2) I must admit I just don’t get what it is you’re trying to accomplish.
  5. What in the world makes you think King Noah and his henchman, whom the Book of Mormon describes as heretical apostates who perverted the right way of the Lord, would be sticklers to administer the death-by-fire provisions of the law of Moses only as prescribed in the scriptures? On this one point alone your suggestion completely falls apart. I find it interesting you are willing to entertain the incredibly remote possibility that the Book of Mormon was written by a 16th century Dutchman (REALLY?) but reject out of hand the idea that some Old Testament era apostates could pervert the prescriptions of the law of Moses to serve their own wicked ends. This reminds me of the Savior’s warning concerning those who “strain at a gnat but swallow a camel.”
  6. Execution by fire is prescribed in the Mosaic Law. "If a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you." -- Leviticus 20:14 "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." -- Leviticus 21:9 "Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." -- Genesis 38:24 "He that is taken with the accursed thing shall be burnt with fire, he and all that he hath. ... And Joshua ... took Achan ... and his sons, and his daughters ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire." -- Joshua 7:15, 24-25
  7. Bobbieaware

    Inactive outside, active inside.

    Talk to your ward’s Bishop or, if that doesn’t work for you, have a discussion with your Stake President and tell whichever of the two you choose about your situation and concerns. If there’s any one place in the world where interpersonal relationship problems, such as yours, have a decent chance of being worked out for the better it’s the Church of Jesus Christ. Don’t allow worry or fear to prevent you from moving forward toward a solution that will enable you and your family to heal and keep your sacred covenants.
  8. Bobbieaware

    Priesthood Superpower

    Was it not your point that the Lord would never be so cruel as to promise mere mortals they will be able to raise the dead? Yet in the verse I quoted he did make that very promise. Was Christ being cruel when he promised his mortal followers they would have power to raise the dead?
  9. Bobbieaware

    Priesthood Superpower

    Oh but you’re wrong. God is capable of doing the very “cruel” thing you say he is incapable of doing. Perhaps you’ve forgotten the eternal God, Jesus Christ. made the exact same promised to his followers. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, RAISE THE DEAD,, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. (Matthew 10’
  10. Bobbieaware

    Priesthood Superpower

    It’s not unheard of for the Lord to test his.children by allowing us to be in situations where the most logical thing to do is to stop believing, to test our faith to see if we, like Job, will continue to believe in spite of the strongest temptations to stop believing.
  11. Bobbieaware

    Priesthood Superpower

    I say how about considering the following possibility? He didn’t live faithfully and therefore lost his opportunity to fulfill the blessing. Living faithfully is remaining true to the Lord no matter what may come. If he attempted to raise the dead by the power of God but didn’t succeed, he should have said to himself, “there may have been no success this time, but if I continue to remain faithful and true to the Lord In spite of this disappointing setback, eventually I will obtain the kind of mighty living faith that’s needed to be able to raise the dead by the power of God.” In other words, the first time he made the attempt could have been a test from the Lord to see if he would continue faithful and serve him wholeheartedly, with a firm belief in his promises, even if his first attempt wasn’t successful. By walking away from the Lord and his promises, the young man demonstrated his faith was weak at the time he gave the blessing, faith that surely wasn’t powerful enough to fulfill the wonderful promise given to him. I’m quite sure there are thousands of others who have blessed the sick without success, yet they were unshaken and remained faithful and true to the Lord. The following disciples of the Lord remained faithful and true despite their initial failure. 18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. 19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out? 20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you. 21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting. (Matthew 17)
  12. Bobbieaware

    Elder Uchtdorf: Progressive?

    It’s a well-know fact that this is the way the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve have worked together for a very long time. There is even an account where one lone holdout apostle wouldn’t agree to allow a prominent excommunicated member to be rebaptised, but even though the other 14 did most earnestly agree to allow the rebaptism to take place it never happened. There has to be total unanimity among the presiding prophets, seers and revelators of the Church or nothing is going to happen. Items under consideration not unanimously agreed upon are put aside for possible later consideration.
  13. Bobbieaware

    Mormon bishops' interview policy opens the door for abuse?

    The same story is coming from many different news outlets, not just from a lone local Fox News affiliate. You presumed wrong.
  14. Bobbieaware

    The Destruction of God?

    Thanks. Didn’t realize it happened until you pointed it out. Wish I could delete it but edit is no longer available on that post.