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  1. The glories of the kingdoms

    Bullseye! Paul’s point is simply to liken the varying degrees of glory we will inherit in the resurrection to the varying degrees of light emitted from the sun, moon and stars as viewed from the perspective of one standing on surface of the earth. Interestingly, the sun itself emits varying degrees of intensity of light depending on its position in the sky and time of year. Similarly, the moon also emits varying degrees of intensity of light depending on what phase it’s in. And it goes without saying that from the perspective of one standing on the earth some stars appear to be brighter than others. “So also is the resurrection of the dead...”
  2. receive the oath

    I think we’ve all known a missionary or two who was more or less “dead.” 😏
  3. receive the oath

    I’m just repeating the well-known fact that missionaries aren’t sent out without being endowed. I had no idea there was a subtle difference in wording for the missionaries. My point is that the Lord wants missionaries in the field who have not only been ordained but also endowed, and this so that they are endowed with a fuller manifestation of priesthood empowerment. Always a pleasure, Mark.
  4. receive the oath

    I thought of the same parallel but I would say the unendowed priesthood holder does indeed have the priesthood but just not the fulness thereof. For example, an unendowed elder has the priesthood power and authority to administer to the sick, confirm Church membership and confer the gift of the Holy Ghost. But it also must be said that receiving the greater fulness of the priesthood ordinances is preferable. This is why both male and female missionaries are required to receive the oaths and covenants of the priesthood in the temple before they can serve missions. (maybe I just let a cat out of the bag?)
  5. receive the oath

    Receiving the fullness of the power and authority of the priesthood DOES NOT occur at the moment of one’s initial ordination. Rather, the fulness of the priesthood’s power and authority is not made manifest until he receives the oaths and covenants of the temple. Many are mystified by what is meant when we speak of “the oath and covenant of the priesthood” because they recognise no actual oaths and covenants are made at the time one is ordained to the Aaronic or Melchizedek priesthood. But mystery ends when it’s realized the oaths and covenants of the two priesthood’s are not made until one who is ordained participates in the oaths and covenants of the temple.
  6. Elizabeth Smarts thoughts on forgiveness

    There's an account in the Book of Mormon where Laman and Lemuel bowed down before Nephi and begged him for his forgiveness. Nephi did sincerely forgive them but then he added an important element to the process of forgiveness: 20 And it came to pass that they were sorrowful, because of their wickedness, insomuch that they did bow down before me, and did plead with me that I would forgivethem of the thing that they had done against me. 21 And it came to pass that I did frankly forgive them all that they had done, and I did exhort them that they would pray unto the Lord their God for forgiveness. (1 Nephi 7) Nephi understood it was critically important for his brothers to understand that his forgiveness was only the first step in a two-step process they needed to complete in order to receive full forgiveness and a true clearing of their guilty consciences. In the same way, it's important to understand that when we forgive others the scales of divine justice will not be balanced until the Lord also forgives them. It's essential that Elizabeth's captors eventually realize her personal forgiveness alone doesn't let them off the hook.
  7. Tolls and sock-puppets. I like that line, Robert. Made me laugh...
  8. Prophets Before Adam

    Those animal sacrifices were only efficacious because the were performed as priesthood ordinances that symbolically looked forward to the very real great and last sacrifice of the Lamb of God. These animal sacrifices were efficacious only in the same way our Sacrament of the Lord's Supper is efficacious. In the case of the Holy Sacrament, it looks back rather than forward to the great and final blood sacrifice. In holy places, we are repeatedly reminded that the atoning blood sacrifice of the Savior ended sacrifice by the shedding of actual blood. The sacrifices in righteousness that the sons of Lehi will yet perform in the temple are the same sacrificial ordinances performed in our temples today, even those sacrifices where blood is only a symbolically shed. Think of it, if actual nails were to puncture the flesh of a living human beings real blood would be spilled all over the place. But since the sacrifice of Christ ended sacrifice by the shedding of real blood only symbolic nails are employed; the symbolic shedding of blood is all that takes place. Even though today no actual blood is shed in our temples, plenty of symbolic blood is shed. The Apostle Peter spoke of these priesthood ordinances of sacrifice where only symbolic blood is shed... 4 To whom (Christ) coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house (the temple of God), an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 2) People are incorrectly assuming the sacrifice in righteousness the sons of Levi will perform will be an animal sacrifices but they are almost certainly incorrect. Why? Because the sacrifices in righteousness they will perform are the sacrifices of today's temple endowment where only symbolic blood shed. Remember, the sacrifice of Christ ended the practice of sacrifice by the shedding of real blood, animal or otherwise.
  9. Prophets Before Adam

    As solemn, terrible and momentous as a martyrs death might be, there's a difference of overwhelming significance between the great and final infinite and eternal sacrifice of the sinless Lamb of God that atones for the sins of the world and makes a resurrection into the varying degrees of eternal glory available to all the repentant and the death of a mere fallen mortal whose sacraficial death may inspire admiration and faith but has no power to atone or redeem.
  10. Prophets Before Adam

    I hope you will excuse me if I defer to the modern prophets and apostles who have testified scores of times in General Conference that we're now living in the dispensation of the fulness of times. Just because there's still much left to unfold and be revealed in the present dispensation doesn't mean we aren't already living in the opening centuries of the dispensation of the fulness of times. You will have an exceedingly hard time trying to convince me that our leaders don't know what they are talking about. "We declare to the world that the heavens are open and the truth of God’s eternal plan has again been made known to mankind. We live in the dispensation of the fulness of times." (L Tom Perry, October, 2006)
  11. Prophets Before Adam

    Well if you want to veer beyond the standard works and into the fruitless, tumultuous and unedifying world of non-canonized gospel speculations, please be my guest and knock yourself out. I'll likely interact with you on some other thread.
  12. Prophets Before Adam

    I'm surprised you ask. This is basic Restored Gospel stuff. From the LDS Bible Dictionary: A gospel dispensation is a period of time in which the Lord has at least one authorized servant on the earth who bears the keys of the holy priesthood. Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith, and others have each started a new gospel dispensation. When the Lord organizes a dispensation, the gospel is revealed anew so that the people of that dispensation do not have to depend on past dispensations for knowledge of the plan of salvation. The dispensation begun by Joseph Smith is known as the “dispensation of the fulness of times." The "others" mentioned who also initiated Gospel Dispensations are people like Lehi and the brother of Jared.
  13. Prophets Before Adam

    The Dispensations of the Gospel: 1) Adam 2) Enoch 3) Noah 4) Abraham 5) Moses 6) Jesus 7) Joseph Smith -- aka The Dispensation of the Fulness of Times. What makes you believe the 7th Dispensations is actually the 6th?
  14. Prophets Before Adam

    The statement was surely edited in the History of the Church because it was decided there was no need to include an obscure and confusing reference to an idea that has never been taught in the Church before nor since. Do you realize the idea of a prophet existing in mortality before Adam contradicts the prophet Joseph Smith's own clear and repeated teachings on the subject? Can you find another quote where a leader of the Church asserts that there were prophets who existed in mortality before Adam? “Adam … was the first man, who is spoken of in Daniel as being the ‘Ancient of Days,’ … the first and oldest of all, the great, grand progenitor … the first and father of all, not only by progeny, but the first to hold the spiritual blessings, to whom was made known the plan of ordinances for the salvation of his posterity unto the end, and to whom Christ was first revealed, and through whom Christ has been revealed from heaven, and will continue to be revealed from henceforth. Adam holds the keys of the dispensation of the fullness of times; i.e., the dispensation of all the times have been and will be revealed through him from the beginning to Christ, and from Christ to the end of the dispensations that are to be revealed. “These angels are under the direction of Michael or Adam, who acts under the direction of the Lord.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 167–68.)
  15. Prophets Before Adam

    A possible answer is the angelic messenger could have been one of the spirits destined to take a body on this earth. But the most likely explanation is that Hyrum actually said something like this: "There were prophets going back to Adam, but Joseph has the spirit of all the prophets." In fact, in the History of the Church the prophet's recorded words are rendered as "there were prophets before, but Joseph has the spirit of all the prophets." So the rather strange one-time reference to there being prophets before Adam simply seems to be a case of imprecise language when the prophet first recorded Hyrum's words in his journal. The central element and focus of Hyrum's statement is that Joseph possessed the spirit all the prophets, not that there may have been prophets before Adam. I don't take this anomalous journal entry too seriously because the concept of pre-Adamic prophets was never a featured teaching of the Church..
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